He's right I mean why is it so difficult,unless there right behind you but in that case think of it like a damper.Hey I just thought of something who invented the whole cloaked scout shotgun thing,Genius.Scouts are balance and disagree with this and my fist will slip down,fist out,swinging to the 56 round.Also yes use your crosshairs,why is it so difficult for babies to adapt.Anyone with me on that babies having a hard time.

You arrive at an objective and there is a cloaked scout-shotty waiting in the corner. How do you propose to see him with your eyes?

Cloakheads aren't always running in front of you where you can see them shimmer. Most of the time, they are cloaked waiting or running up behind you. The only counter would be that EVERYWHERE you go, you must CAREFULLY survey the area for your crosshairs to turn red. Hopefully, your back doesn't turn from them or they don't just pop you with the shotgun before they decloak if you happen to walk right in front of them.

I understand cloaks are here to stay....but remove the dampening bonus, remove the decloaking animation when changing your weapon, and you should decloak or be at maximum shimmer when you take damage.

This week, I will make sure that I post some video and commentary of when cloak scouts are ridiculous.

I don't see how removing the dampening bonus will help people see scouts. You'll just be encouraging more Gal scouts, or scouts with dampeners, and that just brings you back to square one because you still won't be able to see them on the radar. Furthermore if the dampening bonus is taken away, how are we supposed to counter caldari scouts? They are the precision hunters and will be able to catch almost everyone, IMO, cloaks with damp. bonus are part of the counter against Cal scouts. I really don't see how cloaks are ridiculous.

Well they wont have so much armor now will they?

so tell me what you do when you are aware there are cloaked scouts on the field. When approaching an objective or room...do you stop and survey the entire area with your crosshair? You would have to do it before leaving and entering any area.

Don't be stupid I drop remote explosives and make them go boom,sure I may die but I took the dumb ass with me.So who cares as long as they have eggs on their face or,Also satisfied with a messed up face

There will be more details to come - but after discussion with the CPM, CCP Remnant and Wolfman decided to go with implementing a design that will mean you are not able to fire while cloaked. This was something that the Community / CPM seemed fairly keen on and Cloaking will be used primarily as a relocation / movement tool.

We're still working out the kinks and nothing is final, but just to let you guys know that we love the feedback and I promise you that we're crawling through your posts. :)

Cloak is easy mode.
I should be the proof of that. Before 1.8 i have played a scout for maybe 20 minutes. Now with cloaks in 1.8 i am a beast when i run my cheap BP dragonfly suit with only a shotgun and a cloak (not enough pg or cpu to fit anything else)
Running this ultra squishy dropsuit that has under 250 hps i typically go 20/2

So tell me again how such a combination is balanced?
I cant tell you how many times i have run right past enemy players and they do not notice me. The shimmer probably does not work properly otherwise i am sure they would have at least taken a second look. Remember people in a FPS lagg also plays a huge part of the game a shimmer effect might actually happen on a players screen far too late for them to actually ever see the shimmer.

Granted i like having this suite because the only things i pay for on it are the shotgun and cloak so its ultra cheap and i get pretty nice war points running it. However i think something should be done to make it more possible to counter a cloak. Situation awareness is not it.

This is ridiculous. People are whining way too much about the cloak. They say it's a "crutch" for "******-players" pre-1.8, which is absolute BS. And these are the people who just say the cloak is "trash" and provide NO proper and logical explanation as to why it's even "garbage" in the first place. They don't even say why they couldn't see them. Players like Judge Rhadamanthus have video proof as to what extent the cloak is visible, and he even states that the cloak isn't even broken, rather it's just harder to see scouts in certain lighting areas, which is completely fine because the scout is using the environment to hide itself. Another problem is that people are STILL used to just looking at their radars and expecting to see EVERYTHING, and now when cloaks help hide scouts from the radars, they complain they can't see scouts when they get shotgunned, which is true because they aren't even looking at what's even right in front of them on their screen since they're too busy looking at their ******* radar!

Another reason why people are against cloaks is because they're really angered at the "brick-tanked" scouts, who shove armor plates up their ass to act like Assaults. Why are you getting pissed off by the cloaks, channel your fury into armor plates, which provide way too much eHP for such a small movement penatly.

Seriously if you're looking at your radar instead of the main screen right in front of you, don't be surprised when a "blue-outlined" scout comes up running to you and pops with you a shotgun.

People that so fiercely defend cloaks saying that they are balanced are funny as hell.
O ya use your eyes. What you think people playing this game suddenly become selectively blind? Come on get your mind out of neutral and actually engage your brain. If someone actually sees a shimmer they sure as heck are going to pop a shot off at it.

It is re-producible that the cloak doesn't even drop fully by the time a scout can fire. So what makes you think there isnt also some sort of issue where the shimmer sometimes might not even be on the other players screen?

Clearly being able to shoot before de-cloaked is not working as intended.

But you cloak fanboys are just going to defend it tooth and nail because you can not possibly consider any thing else and you want to vainly believe that it is actually your superior tactics ( LOL! ) that enable you to get so many kills with so few losses.

I am willing to admit using cloak and shotgun is a easy mode crutch when i use it.

I don't see how removing the dampening bonus will help people see scouts. You'll just be encouraging more Gal scouts, or scouts with dampeners, and that just brings you back to square one because you still won't be able to see them on the radar. Furthermore if the dampening bonus is taken away, how are we supposed to counter caldari scouts? They are the precision hunters and will be able to catch almost everyone, IMO, cloaks with damp. bonus are part of the counter against Cal scouts. I really don't see how cloaks are ridiculous.

Well, look at the situation in reverse. You ask how you're supposed to counter the Cal scout, but you never bother to ask how the Cal scout is supposed to counter you.

The reality is that the Cal scout IS your counter, and you're the counter to everything else. You aren't supposed to counter the cal scout. You're supposed to accept the fact that at least one entity out there is going to hunt you down and kill you. And you are supposed to be comfortable with that because its exactly what you do to every other suit in the game.

Indeed.

I don't think there are many scouts out there who don't believe Gal scout is too good at what he does.

I think more or less the issue, is not the cloak itself but the combination of different weapons and equipment when used with it.

My original belief was that the cloak was going to be used more for a s supporting role, then the slayer. Currently that is far from the case.

The cloak is here to stay, but to insist it does not need tweaking is questionable

You arrive at an objective and there is a cloaked scout-shotty waiting in the corner. How do you propose to see him with your eyes?

Cloakheads aren't always running in front of you where you can see them shimmer. Most of the time, they are cloaked waiting or running up behind you. The only counter would be that EVERYWHERE you go, you must CAREFULLY survey the area for your crosshairs to turn red. Hopefully, your back doesn't turn from them or they don't just pop you with the shotgun before they decloak if you happen to walk right in front of them.

I understand cloaks are here to stay....but remove the dampening bonus, remove the decloaking animation when changing your weapon, and you should decloak or be at maximum shimmer when you take damage.

You arrive at an objective and there is a cloaked scout-shotty waiting in the corner. How do you propose to see him with your eyes?

Cloakheads aren't always running in front of you where you can see them shimmer. Most of the time, they are cloaked waiting or running up behind you. The only counter would be that EVERYWHERE you go, you must CAREFULLY survey the area for your crosshairs to turn red. Hopefully, your back doesn't turn from them or they don't just pop you with the shotgun before they decloak if you happen to walk right in front of them.

I understand cloaks are here to stay....but remove the dampening bonus, remove the decloaking animation when changing your weapon, and you should decloak or be at maximum shimmer when you take damage.

This week, I will make sure that I post some video and commentary of when cloak scouts are ridiculous.

The fact that you can fire while cloaked is my only real complaint with cloaks.