DUST Search - Driveby HMG sentinels

Awry Barux wrote:

They're still BS, even more so now that you can't carry enough AV grenades to kill their car. There is no infantry counter on open maps to a tanked HMG heavy rolling around in their untouchable murdermobile. They hop at at 10m- too far to RE, too close to escape- and stunlock you to death with twice your DPS and 2-3x your EHP. If, by some miracle, they miss for long enough and you headshot enough to start winning the fight, they just insta-hop back in their ******* car and nitro away. Carrying swarms or a PLC is a death sentence- sure, you may blow up their car, but they'll still get close enough to hop out and kill you, then call in a new one for anywhere from 0 to 15k thanks to BPO LAVs.

We need vehicle enter/exit animations! At the very least, as a stopgap measure, make it so that you have to "hack" your way into the vehicle- stand next to it and press O for 3 seconds before getting in. The way we have it right now allows the slowest class in the game, whose extreme health and DPS is balanced by low speed, to dictate range and engage/disengage with absolute authority.

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KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5066	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:26:00 - [1] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: They're still BS, even more so now that you can't carry enough AV grenades to kill their car. There is no infantry counter on open maps to a tanked HMG heavy rolling around in their untouchable murdermobile. They hop at at 10m- too far to RE, too close to escape- and stunlock you to death with twice your DPS and 2-3x your EHP. If, by some miracle, they miss for long enough and you headshot enough to start winning the fight, they just insta-hop back in their ***** car and nitro away. Carrying swarms or a PLC is a death sentence- sure, you may blow up their car, but they'll still get close enough to hop out and kill you, then call in a new one for anywhere from 0 to 15k thanks to BPO LAVs. We need vehicle enter/exit animations! At the very least, as a stopgap measure, make it so that you have to "hack" your way into the vehicle- stand next to it and press O for 3 seconds before getting in. The way we have it right now allows the slowest class in the game, whose extreme health and DPS is balanced by low speed, to dictate range and engage/disengage with absolute authority. Heavies have health. Scout have cloak and radar functions. MEd frames have teamwork (Average speed, good firepower,decent radar functions,most equipment carried, bonuses to equipment....etc...overall, the best FITTED for teamwork) If you are a scout,you cloak and fade away.The heavy wont be able to follow you most of hte times. If you are a heavy you CAN win if properly fit.And some AV grenades will work vs an LAV next to your own HMG. If you are a med frame and you are running alone, then you deserve to die.** Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5067	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:06:00 - [2] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: I call bull. . ''For heavies, the LAVer can just use the LAV as cover for the bottom 80% of their body, which confers a massive, massive advantage in HMG fights.'' Destroying the LAV can come easier than killing the other Sentinel. AND while doing so you will heavily damage the enmy sentinel.So your''cover'' only works if the enemy Sentinel Runs around in proto LAVs.In any case,hiding BEHIND an LAV is very dangerous while facing a Sentinel ,SPECIALLY if he carries AV grenades. Example: Red Sentinel in LAV gets off and hides behind LAV. Blue Sentinel Chugs 2 AV grenades while tanking damage at Med range. Blue Sentinel Finishes LAV RED LAV explodes heavily damaging Red Sentinel, Giving Blue Sentinel the EHP Upperhand. ''As a scout- cloaking is not going to save you when the LAV heavy pops out. By the time they come up on my range-boosted passive scans, it's too late to escape their speed. I would run, except the HMG stunlocks, and the LAV will always be faster.'' IT really depends on what Sad Scout fit you might be using. If You are a Cloak-Shotgunner scout caught in the open you are dead. Same for an HP tanked one.... But a SPEED TANKED scout or an E-War focused scout like mine can easily avoid this kind of situations.So much, this hasnt happened to me even ONCE , since 1.8 hit... ''As for medium frames, I shouldn't need to explain why you shouldn't need to use teamwork to counter a tactic that requires zero teamwork.'' This is true, and i wont say you are wrong since this is my OWN argument against Vehicles.BUT even Without Teamwork , the Med frame can use several tactics and strategies to AVOID this heavy + LAV tactic. STaying in areas where manouvering an LAV is hard is one of them. Using Proximity mines in the entrances to cities , etc... is another one. I must admit the MED FRAME has the LEAST chance to survive one of these engagements, since to Kill a Sentinel, its needed another Heavy frame or a stealthy scout and MEd frames DEPEND on teamwork to drop Proto sentinels. I AM NOT against the idea proposed by OP, Like 2 seconds to get on and out of an LAV etc...jsut saying its not as big of a problem as you guys are making it to be.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5072	Posted - 2014.04.15 00:42:00 - [3] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Again: we should be asking ourselves why HMGs are better than 20gj blasters. No, nobody cares. Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread