A lot of people have been trying to make your "N"-PE better. That guy donating a ton of ISK to you is one (though for the life of me I'd like to know how much he gave you heh heh!) If you'd like, message me in game and add me to contacts, I'll be glad to squad up with you on weekends if you happen to catch me on.


To be honest, a lot of things have improved since Day 1 (No crap!) I know you haven't been here since Beta like some of us--and Beta was basically sticks and stones, mind you--so all this SP and that SP and all these skills are a pain in the ass.

I get it, I feel you. I love how so many people tell you "get better get better!"

The damn question is, HOW DO WE GET BETTER.

And how the hell do we run militia fits that STILL allow us to earn money?

1) We gain SP while we sleep, so there, that's some FREE SP for you, without working. Come back in a month, and you'll have around 600,000 SP waiting for you.
--> Withi this newfound SP invest in WEAPON proficiency. Find a gun you like, first by using militia weaponry, then delve fully into that gun. Once you get Prof 5 (2.1 mil SP to cap a light weapon, I believe), thats 15% extra damage.

That means if you have a Basic/STD class weapon you get Prototype damage. That means you save money not having to buy expensive Duvolle's and/or equivalent weaponry. Of course, when you have enough money and choose to go Proto-stomping, then thats your choice to buy Proto weaponry.

2) Core Dropsuit Skills. You see that 5 tiered core skill tree after skilling into dropsuit skills? Max them out as soon as possible. These give you added bonuses to PG/CPU, Armor, and Shielding, as well as Sprint/Stamina.

I'd say focus on getting that Armor/Shielding up, that gives you extra 25% shields and 25% armor. Then, PG/CPU as that means you can fit better modules. Since militia/free fits have so little PG/CPU to start with, this goes a long way.

3) I understand you are a pilot as well--that means you fly, you can tank. Thats cool. Thats good. Basically thats your proto fit--militia tanks cost as much as a proto suit and guarantee you more armor/shielding than a Proto suit.

Arm it with the right modules and even MLT class tanks are wonderful things.

Anyways, talk to me ingame or message me.

This Russian will not disappoint.

-Dmitri Chuikov aka axINVICTUSxa

Having been here since forever, here's my advice: (It's different than most)
First:

Get shield and armor upgrades to 3 each before anything else.

This gives you 15% more shield and armor base and is quick.
Second:

Get operation to 3 in whatever gun you like

Third:

Get lvl 1 in whatever suit you want, I recommend an actual suit such as assault, logi, sentinel, commando as these are cheaper than their base counterparts.

Fourth:

Get basic level of your tanking modules (shield and armor plates/extenders and reppers)

Fifth:

Get shield and armour upgrades to 4 each

Get shield extender/armor plates to 3 for adv level modules

Lastly:

Get electronics and engineering up as needed to allow you to fit basic/militia suits with basic weapons.

If you skill that way and run with a squad of a couple people you enjoy playing with the game will be much more enjoyable. This is also probably the most benefit you can get from early sp. Don't bother with level 5 of most any skill for quite some time, in your first couple months you'll be better served by getting things to lvl 3 as you'll get 60% of the bonus for only a small fraction of the cost.
Run basic suits with basic stuff on them and focus on the passive skills like armor and shield upgrades, weapon operation etc.
Once you have a basic suit with basic mods and adv hp mods for your tanking type, try to get basic level of more of the things you use like equipment or sidearms etc. You'll gain a lot in the way of playstyle choices with little investment and from there you can gradually bulk up where needed. If you really like your weapon you can further invest in passive benefits to it such as prof. ammo or reload. If you feel like you die when you just barely poke out of cover then prioritize hp mods and skills. If you want to be utility and move about the battlefield helping out, go for movement modules in dropsuit upgrades and get hacking mods/skill.

Balance sp investment vs. reward and remind yourself that the benefit of better weapons compared to their cost really isn't worth it until you have the passive skills and fitting to extend your alive time.

Lastly, rule of thumb, use a weapon one tier below your suit type. This helps with going isk positive immensely.

Maybe I'm a masochist, but I enjoyed starting out in this game. Sure, it wasn't fair, I got my ass kicked a lot. But working my way up from opportunist to slayer was a trip.

Unfortunately, the OP's experience isn't good for the future of this game (because newbs spend the cash!). Which sucks, because I love Dust, even when I'm screaming at invisible ass-hats with rail rifles.

Saberwing, if you're looking for constructive criticism, I think it might be a good idea to introduce a game-mode that puts everyone on a level playing field with militia gear and 0 SP.

Once there are militia variants for all the weapons, this could be a great mode for hardcore competitive play, with separate leaderboards. Unique gear and rewards would be fun for vets

If NPE isn't a priority, for the love of Space Odin, start capitalizing on your veteran players. Sell some bling on the marketplace (character personalization!!!). I'd pitch in if you sold corporate headquarters for all you corp mates to hang out in, instead of our merc quarters. Wouldn't that make players feel more connected to the universe?

Just some ideas.

CCP HIRE THIS MAN.
He has said nothing I haven't read before, but he says it so well!

I agree. This is seriously something to consider.

This game mode reminds me of COD: Blackops "Barebones" gamemode.

Despite having better attachments, you are only allowed the basic gun, so you are forced to use iron sights. Your perks are downgraded to standard, not pro, perks, and you have limited customization.

CCP should take a step up--all suits are downgraded to basic/STD suit. Essentially, people would end up making fits with just STD modules and equipment.

I'm all for this.

This way, no one can say it is the equipment, it is only skill from then on--a lot more people trust me, will play this over the current game modes. Its more balanced. Maybe you can reduce the rewards from them, but at least it will be a MUCH more balanced game mode.

Is this the same experience and competence that put the game where it currently is?

This is just a general comment to the out and out douchebaggery on this thread. Who else thinks we need a "dislike" button on these threads so these guys who want to do nothing but gripe and complain realize that no one really agrees with them (and yes, I know the people who are doing that are the same that DGAF what others think)? How about instead of whining and complaining and going out of your way to start a fight and call names with the DEV who is actually willing to engage you, talk to you, and reason with you, you actually come up with some constructive comments/suggestions. Because all any of you who are doing that (again, those making constructive comments, even if slightly argumentative, this isn't for you) are just making yourselves look like disgruntled jackwads who have nothing better to do with their free time then come on here and whine. If you hate the game that much, quit. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, either.

On that note, to suggest they are going to release a whole bunch of new information less than a month from Fanfest is just ridiculous. That is not how any business works. What is the point in having Fanfest if they are not just going to put everything out there on the forums for everyone who is too impatient to wait 3 freaking weeks? Good lord people.

To CCP Saberwing, thank you for your thoughtful engagement and willingness to engage us, even those who are acting like toddlers and deserve no response. I for one truly appreciate it and want you to know your good deeds are not going unnoticed.

I'm going to address what you said, putting a dislike button would just promote trolls to go through and knock peoples' likes down to 0, I know silly but plenty of trolls are like that even if they have to have ten accounts just to make others feel as crappy as they do all the time. (I suggested the dislike button on feedback before and that was actually the best reason why it should not happen) For people calling the devs names, this is because of high frustration, because of promises broken and for deadlines not meet or simply tossed out. Which is where the "soon tm" joke comes from when in relation to CCP. The other frustration is because CCP does not give out timely information, it also does not give out information all in a convenient source.

These are issues and problems that have been talked about in over 10 different ways and CCP has yet to truly respond to them except that, "We will consider it" people have done heavy number crunching for CCP drawn up youtube videos outling problems and showing exactly where they are such as how to properly balance the Rail Tank. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHy6CXWk3K4 The beginner manual that is currently available and stickied is literally work that people of the community did.

In conclusion I will not thank Saberwing or other devs till they act in a more appropiate manner when distributing information, this includes in game communications. Also, simple things like a tracker bar for events which would have been invaluable for keeping track of what rewards should have been and if guns were properly calculating need to be added to the game for accountability reasons. When core concerns for the game have been fully addressed, then I will thank the Dust devs by purchasing more product from them so that they can keep their jobs and I will thank them also on the forums in proper ways as well.

We've made many additions recently to the team, including a new Executive Producer who you'll be hearing from come Fanfest. I have complete faith in everyone at CCP Shanghai and I look forward to sharing what they've been working on.

Hey there. Glad to have you with us, even if it is a somewhat sadistic experience for you at the moment

I don't agree with the notion that we purposefully make the New Player Experience daunting due to New Eden "being a harsh place". Yes, that is true of the EVE Universe. But there is a balance to be had, and we want to make the game accessible to newbies.

A better NPE is something we're taking very seriously, and while I can't share anything with you just at the moment just know that there is currently work being done on improving this.

If you ever see me in game, feel free to send me a message or shoot me in the face.

Week two day six: Get spawnkilled in the deployment less than 20 seconds into the match by a dropship running xt1 missiles. Wonder how he got there that quickly. This set the tone for the day. Cant find a squad most of the day. Ended up quitting very early, the rest of my experience playing out that this game just doesnt want me in it.

Final day of two weeks: Spec into level 4 combat rifles and gain access to assault combat rifle. Load up a fit with the rifle and see what the thing is all about. First game I got one kill then proceeded to die 5 times in a row without my weapon fireing for some reason despite seeing the animation. Lost money. Tried again and got a few more kills, no support and still lost money. Final match, every player on my team was afking behind our deployment zone running in circles inside the ship with me and a single squad mate out fighting 3 tanks and a boatload of prototype mercs. Most were heavies. No chance to push past the line whatso ever.

Hey there. Glad to have you with us, even if it is a somewhat sadistic experience for you at the moment

I don't agree with the notion that we purposefully make the New Player Experience daunting due to New Eden "being a harsh place". Yes, that is true of the EVE Universe. But there is a balance to be had, and we want to make the game accessible to newbies.

A better NPE is something we're taking very seriously, and while I can't share anything with you just at the moment just know that there is currently work being done on improving this.

If you ever see me in game, feel free to send me a message or shoot me in the face.

We have been saying this for many many months now you know. This should have been a priority right from the git go. Welp, enough from captain hindsight! He's such a **** sometimes.

it's all about persistence and cheap suits. CCP won't let me change my name so I create alts all the time. I find that if you're willing to let your k/d ratio drop, than you can get tons of isk running militia stuff. Just stick it out to the end of the match, and as long as you keep pushing yourself, try to take objectives, and hack the crap out of things it doesn't matter if you die 20 times.

cause your militia suit is less than 4,000, and you're going to be making about 100,000 isk on average.
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here's a cheap fit that will help:
militia gallente light frame
combat rifle or rail rifle

Thank you for the people that have supported me in this thread. At least some people in the community give a **** about new players...

Hi, I would recommend trying the game again in a couple months. DUST is ever changing and the passive SP you will gain should help bridge the gap.