Whenever you like just toss me an invite...I have to keep trying or i wont ever get back into the game and someone donated a load of isk to me. Damn conscious x.x

It's more important to spec into powergrid / cpu, armor plates/shield extenders than it is to spec into suits or weapons... You can end up spending 2m sp to get your proto suit and go 'yeah everything will be awesome now' and then only have basic shield extenders / plates to put on it, or when you get the complex modules not have enough cpu/pg.

the 'easiest' way to get into this game is to run militia caldari heavies (just skill 1 point into the HMG) and save up SP while you decide what you actually want to do.

Regardless of it being what the Community "wants" to read - it is the truth and worth reiterating where I feel it is merited. It is better than silence and failing to acknowledge the issues we see affecting our players would be even worse.

I'm not here trying to provide false hope, only that we're taking steps, even if they are small, in trying to push in the right direction. Things have been changing drastically behind the scenes here and in time I look forward to sharing more.

Regardless of it being what the Community "wants" to read - it is the truth and worth reiterating where I feel it is merited. It is better than silence and failing to acknowledge the issues we see affecting our players would be even worse.

I'm not here trying to provide false hope, only that we're taking steps, even if they are small, in trying to push in the right direction. Things have been changing drastically behind the scenes here and in time I look forward to sharing more.

Hey there. Glad to have you with us, even if it is a somewhat sadistic experience for you at the moment

I don't agree with the notion that we purposefully make the New Player Experience daunting due to New Eden "being a harsh place". Yes, that is true of the EVE Universe. But there is a balance to be had, and we want to make the game accessible to newbies.

A better NPE is something we're taking very seriously, and while I can't share anything with you just at the moment just know that there is currently work being done on improving this.

If you ever see me in game, feel free to send me a message or shoot me in the face.

Well, unfortunately I can't make you believe me. Nor have I been here since Closed Beta. All I can offer is my word on this, based on the things I see happening within the studio. I assure you we're working very hard on realizing this game's vision and I'll be stoked when I can finally share some cool stuff with all of you.

cool stuff like Mtacs and jets? Esports arena where eve players can bet money on matches?

NEVER TRUST A SITH LORD (even more so one with a blue badge).
YOU'VE BEEN WARNED !

Yes, this is cool stuff, but I'd say a little off the mark when compared to addressing some of the core issues highlighted in this thread.


;) Come to the dark side

No more of this crap. Do not drive away new players by saying get good scrub, welcome to new edan, or better buy aurum.

Honestly everytime I see stuff like this my heart goes out to those new players getting into the game. They would try to get into it for the first two weeks only to find out they are way outmatched for anything out there. I know it takes time to get good equipment.

I have 30 million skill points, I KNOW how long it takes. I will bet money that the new players will not stay around for long if they had to keep facing players with 20+ million skill points spent properly and at the same time grind out every possible skill point they can just to keep up. Just be honest with yourself, people including myself were playing since open/close beta (I miss the serenity server T_T) so we have a tremendous lead over anyone just starting out unless it was someone's alternative account. That is time I think the new players are not willing to spend.

TL:DR? Instead of driving away the new players, find ways to keep and maintain the new players.

A lot of people have been trying to make your "N"-PE better. That guy donating a ton of ISK to you is one (though for the life of me I'd like to know how much he gave you heh heh!) If you'd like, message me in game and add me to contacts, I'll be glad to squad up with you on weekends if you happen to catch me on.


To be honest, a lot of things have improved since Day 1 (No crap!) I know you haven't been here since Beta like some of us--and Beta was basically sticks and stones, mind you--so all this SP and that SP and all these skills are a pain in the ass.

I get it, I feel you. I love how so many people tell you "get better get better!"

The damn question is, HOW DO WE GET BETTER.

And how the hell do we run militia fits that STILL allow us to earn money?

1) We gain SP while we sleep, so there, that's some FREE SP for you, without working. Come back in a month, and you'll have around 600,000 SP waiting for you.
--> Withi this newfound SP invest in WEAPON proficiency. Find a gun you like, first by using militia weaponry, then delve fully into that gun. Once you get Prof 5 (2.1 mil SP to cap a light weapon, I believe), thats 15% extra damage.

That means if you have a Basic/STD class weapon you get Prototype damage. That means you save money not having to buy expensive Duvolle's and/or equivalent weaponry. Of course, when you have enough money and choose to go Proto-stomping, then thats your choice to buy Proto weaponry.

2) Core Dropsuit Skills. You see that 5 tiered core skill tree after skilling into dropsuit skills? Max them out as soon as possible. These give you added bonuses to PG/CPU, Armor, and Shielding, as well as Sprint/Stamina.

I'd say focus on getting that Armor/Shielding up, that gives you extra 25% shields and 25% armor. Then, PG/CPU as that means you can fit better modules. Since militia/free fits have so little PG/CPU to start with, this goes a long way.

3) I understand you are a pilot as well--that means you fly, you can tank. Thats cool. Thats good. Basically thats your proto fit--militia tanks cost as much as a proto suit and guarantee you more armor/shielding than a Proto suit.

Arm it with the right modules and even MLT class tanks are wonderful things.

Anyways, talk to me ingame or message me.

This Russian will not disappoint.

-Dmitri Chuikov aka axINVICTUSxa

This. This is why the Academy needs to be overhauled. And by "overhauled" I mean actually making it feel like an academy. Make it feel like a dedicated boot camp that allows players a chance to experiment with various fits and play styles along with a dedicated test range to test out various weapons and vehicles. That's the overhaul I'm talking about here.

Then, after acquiring approximately 1-2 million SP, the new player graduates and gets a chance to go into the shark-infested waters. Otherwise, you just get what the OP just suffered.

Yes, this is cool stuff, but I'd say a little off the mark when compared to addressing some of the core issues highlighted in this thread.


;) Come to the dark side

A better NPE is something we're taking very seriously, and while I can't share anything with you just at the moment just know that there is currently work being done on improving this.

Day one: First game was incredibly fun. Player academy put me up against people in the same gear i was wearing and my skill showed. First person shooters give people with some relative skill a good time. 44/9 out the door of the academy and to the bears. Played another six games and went to ask questions on the forums. Was dirrected to find a corp and also to "get gud".

Day two: Joined a corp. Played a few games with them and had a relatively better time in general. Corp logged off after a few matches that we were able to play and I was left solo. So after a few games of getting the **** kicked out of me I said **** it and logged off. I dont need to beat my head into a wall.

Day three: Learned to fly a dropship! I took to these things rather well and have been complimented several times on the way I fly them. However I still lost quite a few ships to av rail tanks sitting back nowhere to be seen. Lost most of my isk this way despite having fun flying around the maps. No points to speak of from flying these ships however as nobody will stay in the guns and I dont have access to anything more advanced than gorgons and vipers.

Day four: met nyan san...all ******* day...Quit out after an hour of playing feeling like I had been barred from the game.

Day five: specced into advanced combat rifles. Still forced to play with lower tier rifles due to cost per fit and lack of steady income in game due to player lockout from even pub matches.

Day six: Realised most of my sp investment was somewhat pointless. Rather depressed about the game in general

Day seven: Learned that I dont like tanks. Or heavies...or anything with over 600 armor in general. Finally hit weekly sp cap.

Start of week two: Swapped my tank modules out for recharge things. Same time until death but could actually pop in and out of cover to at least defend an objective. Cant find squad to play with.

week two day two: find out that the rdv driver is an *******. He drops my dropships three times in a match from at least 50 meters up, killing them each time on impact...then when i get one in the air, comes in carrying another vehicle for someone else and swats me out of the sky. I take his plate number and intend on breaking his ship at some point. Stomped by better gear all day long. Managed to get a few kills here and there. K/d has dropped below levels that are acceptable to me.

Week two day three: log on and notice I dont have enough isk to restock my ten suits i keep in stock. Remember the night before and try and run free kits to get some isk. First three matches are against queue synced corps. Constantly stomped in the face over and over. Log off highly frustrated.

Week two day four: Finally get in a squad with a few players. Have three wonderful games where I was able to support my team with my commando. Got to rep some people. Made enough isk to finish out refits. Squad dispersed after a few matches. Proceeded to get my ass kicked and sent hatemail from teammates telling me to get better. Funny, I was top of the endgame report on that team...400 points total. Yay...

Week two day five: Decided to try tanks for a little while. Rdv driver dropped my tank on the roof of some building...got there after a friendly took it and drove off. Proceeded to run into combat without vehicle and just let the ****** have the vehicle. See my vehicle explode...die a little inside.

Week two day six: Get spawnkilled in the deployment less than 20 seconds into the match by a dropship running xt1 missiles. Wonder how he got there that quickly. This set the tone for the day. Cant find a squad most of the day. Ended up quitting very early, the rest of my experience playing out that this game just doesnt want me in it.

Final day of two weeks: Spec into level 4 combat rifles and gain access to assault combat rifle. Load up a fit with the rifle and see what the thing is all about. First game I got one kill then proceeded to die 5 times in a row without my weapon fireing for some reason despite seeing the animation. Lost money. Tried again and got a few more kills, no support and still lost money. Final match, every player on my team was afking behind our deployment zone running in circles inside the ship with me and a single squad mate out fighting 3 tanks and a boatload of prototype mercs. Most were heavies. No chance to push past the line whatso ever.

The game has barred me pretty much entirely from playing and doesnt seem to get any better. To those that got here early enough to not have to deal with the **** im seeing and feeling every match that i play, your lucky. To those that are feeling the same that i am, go throw things at ccp buildings. (dont actually do that.)

To everyone else, good game...or not...this game doesnt seem to be anyway.

Overspending in weapons is *awful* advice, you can get by fine with std or adv weapons. Core skills > Suits > Weapons.

Well, what can i say? someone had to make a 3000 word thread.

;) Come to the dark side

You should use the Forgegun.
Forgegun is the strongest weapon.

Day one: First game was incredibly fun. Player academy put me up against people in the same gear i was wearing and my skill showed. First person shooters give people with some relative skill a good time. 44/9 out the door of the academy and to the bears. Played another six games and went to ask questions on the forums. Was dirrected to find a corp and also to "get gud".

Day two: Joined a corp. Played a few games with them and had a relatively better time in general. Corp logged off after a few matches that we were able to play and I was left solo. So after a few games of getting the **** kicked out of me I said **** it and logged off. I dont need to beat my head into a wall.

Day three: Learned to fly a dropship! I took to these things rather well and have been complimented several times on the way I fly them. However I still lost quite a few ships to av rail tanks sitting back nowhere to be seen. Lost most of my isk this way despite having fun flying around the maps. No points to speak of from flying these ships however as nobody will stay in the guns and I dont have access to anything more advanced than gorgons and vipers.

Day four: met nyan san...all ******* day...Quit out after an hour of playing feeling like I had been barred from the game.

Day five: specced into advanced combat rifles. Still forced to play with lower tier rifles due to cost per fit and lack of steady income in game due to player lockout from even pub matches.

Day six: Realised most of my sp investment was somewhat pointless. Rather depressed about the game in general

Day seven: Learned that I dont like tanks. Or heavies...or anything with over 600 armor in general. Finally hit weekly sp cap.

Start of week two: Swapped my tank modules out for recharge things. Same time until death but could actually pop in and out of cover to at least defend an objective. Cant find squad to play with.

week two day two: find out that the rdv driver is an *******. He drops my dropships three times in a match from at least 50 meters up, killing them each time on impact...then when i get one in the air, comes in carrying another vehicle for someone else and swats me out of the sky. I take his plate number and intend on breaking his ship at some point. Stomped by better gear all day long. Managed to get a few kills here and there. K/d has dropped below levels that are acceptable to me.

Week two day three: log on and notice I dont have enough isk to restock my ten suits i keep in stock. Remember the night before and try and run free kits to get some isk. First three matches are against queue synced corps. Constantly stomped in the face over and over. Log off highly frustrated.

Week two day four: Finally get in a squad with a few players. Have three wonderful games where I was able to support my team with my commando. Got to rep some people. Made enough isk to finish out refits. Squad dispersed after a few matches. Proceeded to get my ass kicked and sent hatemail from teammates telling me to get better. Funny, I was top of the endgame report on that team...400 points total. Yay...

Week two day five: Decided to try tanks for a little while. Rdv driver dropped my tank on the roof of some building...got there after a friendly took it and drove off. Proceeded to run into combat without vehicle and just let the ****** have the vehicle. See my vehicle explode...die a little inside.

Week two day six: Get spawnkilled in the deployment less than 20 seconds into the match by a dropship running xt1 missiles. Wonder how he got there that quickly. This set the tone for the day. Cant find a squad most of the day. Ended up quitting very early, the rest of my experience playing out that this game just doesnt want me in it.

Final day of two weeks: Spec into level 4 combat rifles and gain access to assault combat rifle. Load up a fit with the rifle and see what the thing is all about. First game I got one kill then proceeded to die 5 times in a row without my weapon fireing for some reason despite seeing the animation. Lost money. Tried again and got a few more kills, no support and still lost money. Final match, every player on my team was afking behind our deployment zone running in circles inside the ship with me and a single squad mate out fighting 3 tanks and a boatload of prototype mercs. Most were heavies. No chance to push past the line whatso ever.

The game has barred me pretty much entirely from playing and doesnt seem to get any better. To those that got here early enough to not have to deal with the **** im seeing and feeling every match that i play, your lucky. To those that are feeling the same that i am, go throw things at ccp buildings. (dont actually do that.)

To everyone else, good game...or not...this game doesnt seem to be anyway.