Basic swarms which do 80% explosive damage stop the shield regen on all vehicles which has 1 active hardener on at the time of missile impact

That means 2 hardeners are needed to not take any damage and stop the missiles from stopping your regen

Swarms are generally the lowest threat to shield vehicles because of explosive damage and shields natural resist to explosive damage - Before the change 60% did mean that 1 swarm missile did not cause enough damage to break the shield rep on all swarm tiers - Now they all will break the regen threshold

It makes me wonder why i would ever run shield again, the hardeners could have been tiered like MLT/Std - 30% - ADV 40% - Proto 50% with a general knock down of 10% for the top mod

Now we have every single AV weapon and turrets will do more damage to shield even if the hardener is on meaning 2 is going to be the general fit, maybe 3 i wouldnt be suprised and the maddy in general at least has passive reps which nearly consistantly rep even when taking damage so swarms can be brushed off a bit better even tho they cause more damage to armor

Funny thing is vehicles are not sticking to lore and never have done

Armor tanks have passive reps, the shield on all vehicles and if you want even suits should always rep, shield in EVE reps passively at X amount all the time and even when taking damage but in DUST its given to the armor tankers but also little things like adding shield extenders improves your passive regen by x amount hp/s

You may read it as a QQ but i just dont get what im supposed to do now with my gunlogi since everything can dent it and armor can brush it off

I have a shield tank, but i cant increase its passive rep and it only works when im not taking damage which is better for DS but for a tank supposed to be in the thick of it sorta worthless when an armor can do what you are supposed to do and does it better

My python hasnt suffered too much since i can fly away quite easily but even so the swarms which are the DS main enemy since they do track to 400m and knock you about like a leaf in the wind will still stop my shield regen with 1 active hardener on

Well back to theorycrafting some fits

dont you have a module to insta restore your shield thare ya go argument is invalid have a nice day

dont you have a module to insta restore your shield thare ya go argument is invalid have a nice day

I knew it, shield vehicles are worse than useless again.

1 pulse, x amount, can be 2000 to 900hp regained but cooldown generally is 30-60seconds

Once used shield could be full up but the next swarm just knocks out your shield regen again hardener on or not

Yea it seems to be

Armor has the passive going for it which generally cant be stopped where as with shield you do have to wait a few

Im still trying to play and muck about but im sorta deleting all my tank fits and remaking again

More then enough to:
A)kill swarmer or inform squad where swarmer is
B)get out of range
C)block LOS with cover

I see no problem with AV doing it job...

More then enough to:
A)kill swarmer or inform squad where swarmer is
B)get out of range
C)block LOS with cover

I see no problem with AV doing it job...

Maybe be but the main strength of a shield tank is its resistance to explosive weapons, it really no longer has that resistance because it cant stick around to really do anything, it either means a 3/2 hardener fit which infantry still complain about or not much else

Where as i could pull out an armor tank and generally stay there all day with a few fits

Maybe be but the main strength of a shield tank is its resistance to explosive weapons, it really no longer has that resistance because it cant stick around to really do anything, it either means a 3/2 hardener fit which infantry still complain about or not much else

Where as i could pull out an armor tank and generally stay there all day with a few fits

Ok then nerf armor hard and make it so reps dont work under fire
Balance
If this is gunna go on reduce swarm damage to 200

Yea the whole point in shields is faster regen but now they are useless
I havent bothered to use my python aince the hotfix, all they had to do was make it 1 hard per vehicle and 1 armor rep oer vehicle or a penelty...

If a blaster stops regen, im running double hards all day

I'll let Vitharr do the work on this one.

Oh look another tanker who is upset that his godmode crutch has beeing taken away. How about instead of running 3 hardeners you put a shield extender on your tank? Oh wait you are used to easy mode tanking. Pathetic.

A hit from an Anti-Vehicle weapon is supposed to stop shield regen on vehicles; it's only Anti-Infantry weapons that aren't supposed to stop it.

I don't see any infantry that run Caldari suits complaining about shots from the SMG stopping their shield regen; their suits aren't worthless or worse than useless as Jermy said and they are worse off than tanks to begin with. I'd tell you to HTFU and quit whining but that would something actually less than useless to tell you Taka.

You obviously havent read anything

Ive read enough to understand that he doesnt want to get hurt by swarms. Hardeners are supposed to REDUCE damage not neglect 100% of it like it did previously.

Oh look another tanker who is upset that his godmode crutch has beeing taken away. How about instead of running 3 hardeners you put a shield extender on your tank? Oh wait you are used to easy mode tanking. Pathetic.

Hes already bad I think
Shields should rep under fire but not out rep the damage, as its ridiculous shields have low hp and are meant to regen but now they cant...

So let me get this straight you are complaing that a single volley of swarms means your tank stop shields regenerating?

Lets do a little comparison.
Assault Rifle at 10% efficency hits for 2 damage (there about) stops regen on infantry: no problems
Swarms hit for upwards of 500 dmg, over 1/10th of your tanks total EHP: why can't I regen through this?

Shield Regenration is for BETWEEN engagments not during engagements.
The fact that you are annoyed you can't rep through an AV weapon just tells us everything we need to know.
I don't want to, die, please, I don't want to die to infantry, anything but infantry.

This coming from a swarm user who used to sit on towers all day

Also i dont run 3 hardeners

Funny thing is tho after the hotfix i might have to, instead of driving us away from mulitple hardeners you have forced us to use multiple hardeners

Go infantry

This is the way it should have been from the beginning. It is an anti-vehicle weapon that is dedicated entirely to the act of countering vehicles, there's no reason a hardener should go on to not only decrease damage taken by weaponry but NEGATE it as well.

As Judge said, "Waves of Opportunity" does NOT mean god mode, and that's what hardeners represented for this class of anti-vehicle weaponry.