I guess you don't know anything about tanks?

You know what happens when you pop that booster?

If you get hit by a weapon that breaks regen inside 1s of activating, you get no HP.

So it's a worthless mod.

I guess you don't know anything about tanks?

You know what happens when you pop that booster?

If you get hit by a weapon that breaks regen inside 1s of activating, you get no HP.

So it's a worthless mod.

Basic swarms which do 80% explosive damage stop the shield regen on all vehicles which has 1 active hardener on at the time of missile impact

That means 2 hardeners are needed to not take any damage and stop the missiles from stopping your regen

Swarms are generally the lowest threat to shield vehicles because of explosive damage and shields natural resist to explosive damage - Before the change 60% did mean that 1 swarm missile did not cause enough damage to break the shield rep on all swarm tiers - Now they all will break the regen threshold

It makes me wonder why i would ever run shield again, the hardeners could have been tiered like MLT/Std - 30% - ADV 40% - Proto 50% with a general knock down of 10% for the top mod

Now we have every single AV weapon and turrets will do more damage to shield even if the hardener is on meaning 2 is going to be the general fit, maybe 3 i wouldnt be suprised and the maddy in general at least has passive reps which nearly consistantly rep even when taking damage so swarms can be brushed off a bit better even tho they cause more damage to armor

Funny thing is vehicles are not sticking to lore and never have done

Armor tanks have passive reps, the shield on all vehicles and if you want even suits should always rep, shield in EVE reps passively at X amount all the time and even when taking damage but in DUST its given to the armor tankers but also little things like adding shield extenders improves your passive regen by x amount hp/s

You may read it as a QQ but i just dont get what im supposed to do now with my gunlogi since everything can dent it and armor can brush it off

I have a shield tank, but i cant increase its passive rep and it only works when im not taking damage which is better for DS but for a tank supposed to be in the thick of it sorta worthless when an armor can do what you are supposed to do and does it better

My python hasnt suffered too much since i can fly away quite easily but even so the swarms which are the DS main enemy since they do track to 400m and knock you about like a leaf in the wind will still stop my shield regen with 1 active hardener on

Well back to theorycrafting some fits

So, shields, which are naturally 20% resistant to swarms, are so much worse than armor which has, what? Probably a natural 20% weakness to swarms and then a weaker hardener? And don't armor tanks have to waste slots and CPU/PG on recovery?

Goodness, shield tanks are actually vulnerable, can LOSE SHIELDS, have drawbacks, and are no longer the immortal bastions of broken gameplay with virtually no risk but from their own kind?

How ever will you get by OP? This means you might have to actually think and take on risk when dominating the battlefield right? You have my sincere sympathies....

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Really, as someone who runs AV, armor isn't a problem. RE's, PEs, Swarms, AV grenades, the majority of AV is against Armor. One forge shot and if it doesn't move fast it's dead; hardeners or no. Heck, you don't even need to forge shot if you're fast enough and the terrain is in your favor.

If you think armor tanking is so much better, give it an honest try and see how it goes. There's a reason you don't see as many on the battlefield. Their one real advantage is in AV because rails are so popular and they do have more HP; that's all they've got as far as I can tell.

HTFU Learn to Adapt

Isn't this what you've been telling AV for 4 months ..

No sympathy Tanks should be nerfed even more ... you wanted God Mode and rubbed it in Infantrys faces so you're on your own for vehicle n AV Balance i'll go down the making AV God mode road instead seeing how you Tankers acted

And the 6+months before 1.7 AV players were also saying 'HTFU Learn to adapt' with the OP AV when 1 swarm covered the entire map and dealt 3k per volley

Yep, and that's also what you've been telling AV, despite overwhelming evidence to support vehicles being overpowered, and you and Spkr4TheDead's failure to provide a valid argument as to why they're not OP.

That woman named Karma... She's a real b!tch huh?

It makes me wonder why i would ever run shield again.

I've always preferred shield booster to hardener, and never relied on regen instead of tactics and true "windows of opportunity"

shields are not broken, you just can't sit and "tank" the damage without dealing with AV.

Tank's are still strong vs AV, stop crying and play better

Yep, and that's also what you've been telling AV, despite overwhelming evidence to support vehicles being overpowered, and you and Spkr4TheDead's failure to provide a valid argument as to why they're not OP.

That woman named Karma... She's a real b!tch huh?

Being able to perma-harden with triple hardeners on a Gunnlogi and literally pretend Swarm launchers don't exist was broken.

This is a FIX, not CCP breaking something.

Armour passive regen options are too powerful. That ALSO needs fixing.

Vehicles in 1.7 (and coming into 1.8) were OP because of how hardeners worked. This brings them a good way back into line with where they should be. Armour tanks still need some adjustment, though.

Shield tanks aren't broken, they're balanced better than they were before. Armour tanks aren't fixed the way they should be though, and still need to be actually fixed.

side note / double post, I personally Sh*t on tanks with forge / swarms / RE's/ Prox... The AV vs tanks is fairly balanced imo... But once again one must stop crying and play better to relise this

Yeah, and I had a Madrugar build that made it theoretically impossible to kill with anything other than a Jihad Jeep, Vehicle, or Wyrikomi Breach Forge gun.

One must look beyond anecdotes to realize this.

That means 2 hardeners are needed to not take any damage and stop the missiles from stopping your regen

Swarms are generally the lowest threat to shield vehicles because of explosive damage and shields natural resist to explosive damage - Before the change 60% did mean that 1 swarm missile did not cause enough damage to break the shield rep on all swarm tiers - Now they all will break the regen threshold

It makes me wonder why i would ever run shield again, the hardeners could have been tiered like MLT/Std - 30% - ADV 40% - Proto 50% with a general knock down of 10% for the top mod

Are you seriously complaining that you can't out rep near constant damage anymore? Hardeners were never meant to be a source of constant regen, that's why they offer resistance bonuses, not regen bonuses.

All I'm hearing is you aren't happy that you have to use an extra hardener to be invincible to swarms, thus breaking your perma-hardened cycle and introducing the intended "waves of opportunity". Regardless of the swarms' damage bias, shields should not be immune to them. Dropsuit shields aren't immune to explosives, why should yours?

We dont want to out rep we just dont want our regen to stop

Are you seriously complaining that you can't out rep near constant damage anymore? Hardeners were never meant to be a source of constant regen, that's why they offer resistance bonuses, not regen bonuses.

All I'm hearing is you aren't happy that you have to use an extra hardener to be invincible to swarms, thus breaking your perma-hardened cycle and introducing the intended "waves of opportunity". Regardless of the swarms' damage bias, shields should not be immune to them. Dropsuit shields aren't immune to explosives, why should yours?

In EVE my shield on all my ships passively reps, in DUST it doesnt

But what does annoy me is that a BASIC swarm just ignores my COMPLEX hardener and the 'wave of opportunity' is all the time with a gunlogi, you have a hardener on doesnt matter damage is caused regen stops, dont have a hardener on damage is caused regen is stopped

How can i tank when hardeners do not work? im not able to tank any damage, i need 2 so that my regen isnt stopped by BASIC swarms

At least with a maddy i have passive reps, it does what the gunlogi is supposed to do but better

In DUST, all shields regen. They just don't regen constantly without any interruption no matter what.


I'm sorry that an ANTI VEHICLE WEAPON that had previously been over-nerfed now works against vehicles again. As a shield tanker myself, I understand your pain. Wait, no, I don't because this is how they SHOULD work. Basic Assault Rifles still kill Protosuits. Basic Forge Guns always used to stop your shield regen and you never complained about that. This is not a problem, it's (finally) working as intended.

And you want your waves of opportunity? Guess what? YOU HAVE THEM. Multiple hardeners mean that instead of perma-hardened with no downtime (no waves of opportunity), you have to stack hardeners to avoid damage from swarms, leaving periods of vulnerability LIKE CCP INTENDED TO HAVE HAPPEN.


So bring 2 hardeners, or deal with the fact that your regen gets interrupted for the couple of seconds it takes to kill the Swarm guy.


Yep. Armour reppers are still OP and need nerfing so they don't give you higher regen than shield tanks can get while ALSO keeping the high HP because that's what armour is good at.

Don't complain about your (and my) shield tank being balanced and say we're underpowered. Point out that armour tanks are still OP and need to be brought back into line.

1 pulse, x amount, can be 2000 to 900hp regained but cooldown generally is 30-60seconds

Once used shield could be full up but the next swarm just knocks out your shield regen again hardener on or not

We dont have waves of opportunity

If i cant tank damage with 1 hardener then its not tanking anything

infantry complained we run 3/2 hardeners on and the kicker is this nerf has lead me to do just that, for me to tank some damage its 2 hardeners on because 1 cannot stop even basic swarms

so against a FG or rail is a knife through butter, 30% damage mod on a rail ignore 1 hardener and even armor tanks do have it worse with 25%

its just a good job it has passive reps but how is it OP? if it was EVE style armor would need an active rep which we once had but now we dont, but also hopefully shield would have a passive rep which actually works like it should

In EVE all my ships have passive shield regen all the time, there is no delay, it reps all the time but in DUST we dont have that now maybe its linked to Capacitors

Right now this is the 2nd vehicle overhaul and they dont know what they are doing, they dont know what direction they want to take it and consistantly tweek to many things which end up breaking something

Right now we have less vehicles, less mods, less skills, less slots so less variety and the kicker is it costs more SP for next to no improvement

I wish we had capacitors and all the mods to go with it, go true EVE style and let me fit it up how i want to fit it up, every things is there in EVE done all that needs changing is a few numbers