So let me get this straight you are complaing that a single volley of swarms means your tank stop shields regenerating?

Lets do a little comparison.
Assault Rifle at 10% efficency hits for 2 damage (there about) stops regen on infantry: no problems
Swarms hit for upwards of 500 dmg, over 1/10th of your tanks total EHP: why can't I regen through this?

Shield Regenration is for BETWEEN engagments not during engagements.
The fact that you are annoyed you can't rep through an AV weapon just tells us everything we need to know.
I don't want to, die, please, I don't want to die to infantry, anything but infantry.

I fully agree with you and to be honest the armor reppers on vehicles are f*ckin ridiculous I would LOVE to get that kinda healing percentage on my dropsuit. In my opinion reppers on tanks should like reppers on dropsuit something to help pick you up a bit after a fight but not something that should get you to full in the time it takes to reload a swarm or FG. They should be required to have a logi running with a vehicle repper to get even close to the reps they have now...

Basic swarms which do 80% explosive damage stop the shield regen on all vehicles which has 1 active hardener on at the time of missile impact

That means 2 hardeners are needed to not take any damage and stop the missiles from stopping your regen

Swarms are generally the lowest threat to shield vehicles because of explosive damage and shields natural resist to explosive damage - Before the change 60% did mean that 1 swarm missile did not cause enough damage to break the shield rep on all swarm tiers - Now they all will break the regen threshold

It makes me wonder why i would ever run shield again, the hardeners could have been tiered like MLT/Std - 30% - ADV 40% - Proto 50% with a general knock down of 10% for the top mod

Now we have every single AV weapon and turrets will do more damage to shield even if the hardener is on meaning 2 is going to be the general fit, maybe 3 i wouldnt be suprised and the maddy in general at least has passive reps which nearly consistantly rep even when taking damage so swarms can be brushed off a bit better even tho they cause more damage to armor

Funny thing is vehicles are not sticking to lore and never have done

Armor tanks have passive reps, the shield on all vehicles and if you want even suits should always rep, shield in EVE reps passively at X amount all the time and even when taking damage but in DUST its given to the armor tankers but also little things like adding shield extenders improves your passive regen by x amount hp/s

You may read it as a QQ but i just dont get what im supposed to do now with my gunlogi since everything can dent it and armor can brush it off

I have a shield tank, but i cant increase its passive rep and it only works when im not taking damage which is better for DS but for a tank supposed to be in the thick of it sorta worthless when an armor can do what you are supposed to do and does it better

My python hasnt suffered too much since i can fly away quite easily but even so the swarms which are the DS main enemy since they do track to 400m and knock you about like a leaf in the wind will still stop my shield regen with 1 active hardener on

Well back to theorycrafting some fits

I fully agree with you and to be honest the armor reppers on vehicles are f*ckin ridiculous I would LOVE to get that kinda healing percentage on my dropsuit. In my opinion reppers on tanks should like reppers on dropsuit something to help pick you up a bit after a fight but not something that should get you to full in the time it takes to reload a swarm or FG. They should be required to have a logi running with a vehicle repper to get even close to the reps they have now...

This is the way it should have been from the beginning. It is an anti-vehicle weapon that is dedicated entirely to the act of countering vehicles, there's no reason a hardener should go on to not only decrease damage taken by weaponry but NEGATE it as well.

As Judge said, "Waves of Opportunity" does NOT mean god mode, and that's what hardeners represented for this class of anti-vehicle weaponry.

Pretty sure forgegun does more dmg to armor...

Exept because this fix the shield vehicles can no longer hit and run, niw its get hit, activate hard and run, regening while getting shot by an ANTI ARMOR weapon was the only was shields survived

Yes I saw it and im not biased at all

Have you seen the damage taken by Swarms while hardeners were on? It's a seriously paltry amount, they do significantly less damage to shields from the outset and then do even less when hardeners are added to the equation. Swarms up until Proto still do laughably low damage and you have more than enough time to respond to their being launched - you have audio cues! And remember that this change applies to more than just one class of vehicle, now Swarmers can actually drive away a triple hardened Python that could sit there and absorb all Swarm Launcher damage indefinitely.

Then instead of trying to get godmode back shouldnt you be trying to bring armor tanks into balance you know because you aren't biased

Why cant you infantry retards not balance on multiple hardebers, now im running 2 or 3 hards on my python, and good its a pure anti armor it shoukd barely do damage to a hardenered SHIELD vehicle, but hardeners were nerfed, now I use the fotm fit

I play EVE, EVE have vehicles, DUST has vehicles

Now i have armor ships in EVE which dont passively rep back armor, they are either buffer or active rep fit we had this in pre 1.7 and even back in chromo

Also in EVE any ship has passive shield regen now in DUST this is not the case for whatever reason but also i cant even increase my passive shield rep rate in DUST for my vehicles

They have it the wrong way around and the hardener nerf just shows it more when a basic swarm 1 volley instantly stops regen even tho its only just doing over half of its full damage

Not everyone uses bkasters...and tanjs are meant to tank
Now the gunlogi is like the cal heavy, basically insta ganked by everything
Bye now, im tired of the avers who ruined shields

Why cant you infantry retards not balance on multiple hardebers, now im running 2 or 3 hards on my python, and good its a pure anti armor it shoukd barely do damage to a hardenered SHIELD vehicle, but hardeners were nerfed, now I use the fotm fit

You said that DUST vehicles don't follow convention, well here you go.
DUST is different deal with the fact your no longer invincible to swarms.

Why cant you infantry retards not balance on multiple hardebers, now im running 2 or 3 hards on my python, and good its a pure anti armor it should barely do damage to a hardenered SHIELD vehicle, but hardeners were nerfed, now I use the fotm fit

You cant say that, infantry cried about how minnie had the passive armor rep and not gal and how gal were supposed to be the main armor tanker i think due to lore but you cant have lore done right for vehicles

Go figure

So your not biased at all, yet the opening sentence of your post is "Why can you infantry retards"? I'm pretty sure that expresses your biased.

No, it should not "barely do damage". Should it deal reduced damage? Yes, that's one of the drawbacks of the Swarm Launcher. However the Swarm Launcher is an Anti-Vehicle weapon, and as such should do it's role. Anti-Vehicle

If an AV weapon not damaging a vehicle based on it's damage type is balanced, then you'd also have to make the following changes:

Nerf Small Missile Turrets

It is an Explosive weapon, and has a negative damage bias towards Shields. When against a Caldari or Minmatar Sentinel, Missiles should "barely do damage"

Nerf Blaster Turrets

It's a Hybrid - Blaster weapon, and has a negative damage bias towards Armor. Against an Amarr or Gallente Sentinel, Blasters should "barely do damage"

Nerf 20GJ Railguns

It is a Hybrid - Railgun weapon, and has a negative bias towards Shields. When against a Minmatar or Caldari Sentinel, 20GJ Railguns "barely do damage"

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Suddenly completely negating damage based on damage profiles doesn't seem so balanced does it?

Are you really suggesting that swarms stopping the regen makes shields useless? You guys make me laugh. Its not gonna stop the regen on derpships. Even with the nerf tanks will still only take a small amount of damage anyway. You'd still need about 4 swarmers to kill you. Stop crying about it. We have had to deal with your OP tanks for months and now it has been balanced a little you start complaining. Really?

Exept shields have 24s of uptime til they get raped in 3 shots by proto swarms...ive used every vehicle in dust, this just made shields worse

Yea the whole point in shields is faster regen but now they are useless
I havent bothered to use my python aince the hotfix, all they had to do was make it 1 hard per vehicle and 1 armor rep oer vehicle or a penelty...

You cant say that, infantry cried about how minnie had the passive armor rep and not gal and how gal were supposed to be the main armor tanker i think due to lore but you cant have lore done right for vehicles

Go figure

Even tho that it is anti vehicle 1 missile never had the power to stop regen and this was because it only does 80% damage and a 60% hardener then added on top

So if it did 100dmg the resistance to shield made it do 80dmg then the hardener on top made it do 48

So the question is how can something stop regen if its only doing half of its original damage

Come to think of it can a MD stop the regen?

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Exept shields have 24s of uptime til they get raped in 3 shots by proto swarms...ive used every vehicle in dust, this just made shields worse

dont you have a module to insta restore your shield thare ya go argument is invalid have a nice day