Basic swarms which do 80% explosive damage stop the shield regen on all vehicles which has 1 active hardener on at the time of missile impact

That means 2 hardeners are needed to not take any damage and stop the missiles from stopping your regen

Swarms are generally the lowest threat to shield vehicles because of explosive damage and shields natural resist to explosive damage - Before the change 60% did mean that 1 swarm missile did not cause enough damage to break the shield rep on all swarm tiers - Now they all will break the regen threshold

It makes me wonder why i would ever run shield again, the hardeners could have been tiered like MLT/Std - 30% - ADV 40% - Proto 50% with a general knock down of 10% for the top mod

Now we have every single AV weapon and turrets will do more damage to shield even if the hardener is on meaning 2 is going to be the general fit, maybe 3 i wouldnt be suprised and the maddy in general at least has passive reps which nearly consistantly rep even when taking damage so swarms can be brushed off a bit better even tho they cause more damage to armor

Funny thing is vehicles are not sticking to lore and never have done

Armor tanks have passive reps, the shield on all vehicles and if you want even suits should always rep, shield in EVE reps passively at X amount all the time and even when taking damage but in DUST its given to the armor tankers but also little things like adding shield extenders improves your passive regen by x amount hp/s

You may read it as a QQ but i just dont get what im supposed to do now with my gunlogi since everything can dent it and armor can brush it off

I have a shield tank, but i cant increase its passive rep and it only works when im not taking damage which is better for DS but for a tank supposed to be in the thick of it sorta worthless when an armor can do what you are supposed to do and does it better

My python hasnt suffered too much since i can fly away quite easily but even so the swarms which are the DS main enemy since they do track to 400m and knock you about like a leaf in the wind will still stop my shield regen with 1 active hardener on

Well back to theorycrafting some fits

1 pulse, x amount, can be 2000 to 900hp regained but cooldown generally is 30-60seconds

Once used shield could be full up but the next swarm just knocks out your shield regen again hardener on or not

Yea it seems to be

Armor has the passive going for it which generally cant be stopped where as with shield you do have to wait a few

Im still trying to play and muck about but im sorta deleting all my tank fits and remaking again

Maybe be but the main strength of a shield tank is its resistance to explosive weapons, it really no longer has that resistance because it cant stick around to really do anything, it either means a 3/2 hardener fit which infantry still complain about or not much else

Where as i could pull out an armor tank and generally stay there all day with a few fits

Basic swarms which do 80% explosive damage stop the shield regen on all vehicles which has 1 active hardener on at the time of missile impact

That means 2 hardeners are needed to not take any damage and stop the missiles from stopping your regen

Swarms are generally the lowest threat to shield vehicles because of explosive damage and shields natural resist to explosive damage - Before the change 60% did mean that 1 swarm missile did not cause enough damage to break the shield rep on all swarm tiers - Now they all will break the regen threshold

It makes me wonder why i would ever run shield again, the hardeners could have been tiered like MLT/Std - 30% - ADV 40% - Proto 50% with a general knock down of 10% for the top mod

Now we have every single AV weapon and turrets will do more damage to shield even if the hardener is on meaning 2 is going to be the general fit, maybe 3 i wouldnt be suprised and the maddy in general at least has passive reps which nearly consistantly rep even when taking damage so swarms can be brushed off a bit better even tho they cause more damage to armor

Funny thing is vehicles are not sticking to lore and never have done

Armor tanks have passive reps, the shield on all vehicles and if you want even suits should always rep, shield in EVE reps passively at X amount all the time and even when taking damage but in DUST its given to the armor tankers but also little things like adding shield extenders improves your passive regen by x amount hp/s

You may read it as a QQ but i just dont get what im supposed to do now with my gunlogi since everything can dent it and armor can brush it off

I have a shield tank, but i cant increase its passive rep and it only works when im not taking damage which is better for DS but for a tank supposed to be in the thick of it sorta worthless when an armor can do what you are supposed to do and does it better

My python hasnt suffered too much since i can fly away quite easily but even so the swarms which are the DS main enemy since they do track to 400m and knock you about like a leaf in the wind will still stop my shield regen with 1 active hardener on

Well back to theorycrafting some fits

I play EVE, EVE have vehicles, DUST has vehicles

Now i have armor ships in EVE which dont passively rep back armor, they are either buffer or active rep fit we had this in pre 1.7 and even back in chromo

Also in EVE any ship has passive shield regen now in DUST this is not the case for whatever reason but also i cant even increase my passive shield rep rate in DUST for my vehicles

They have it the wrong way around and the hardener nerf just shows it more when a basic swarm 1 volley instantly stops regen even tho its only just doing over half of its full damage

Basic swarms which do 80% explosive damage stop the shield regen on all vehicles which has 1 active hardener on at the time of missile impact

That means 2 hardeners are needed to not take any damage and stop the missiles from stopping your regen

Swarms are generally the lowest threat to shield vehicles because of explosive damage and shields natural resist to explosive damage - Before the change 60% did mean that 1 swarm missile did not cause enough damage to break the shield rep on all swarm tiers - Now they all will break the regen threshold

It makes me wonder why i would ever run shield again, the hardeners could have been tiered like MLT/Std - 30% - ADV 40% - Proto 50% with a general knock down of 10% for the top mod

Now we have every single AV weapon and turrets will do more damage to shield even if the hardener is on meaning 2 is going to be the general fit, maybe 3 i wouldnt be suprised and the maddy in general at least has passive reps which nearly consistantly rep even when taking damage so swarms can be brushed off a bit better even tho they cause more damage to armor

Funny thing is vehicles are not sticking to lore and never have done

Armor tanks have passive reps, the shield on all vehicles and if you want even suits should always rep, shield in EVE reps passively at X amount all the time and even when taking damage but in DUST its given to the armor tankers but also little things like adding shield extenders improves your passive regen by x amount hp/s

You may read it as a QQ but i just dont get what im supposed to do now with my gunlogi since everything can dent it and armor can brush it off

I have a shield tank, but i cant increase its passive rep and it only works when im not taking damage which is better for DS but for a tank supposed to be in the thick of it sorta worthless when an armor can do what you are supposed to do and does it better

My python hasnt suffered too much since i can fly away quite easily but even so the swarms which are the DS main enemy since they do track to 400m and knock you about like a leaf in the wind will still stop my shield regen with 1 active hardener on

Well back to theorycrafting some fits

And the 6+months before 1.7 AV players were also saying 'HTFU Learn to adapt' with the OP AV when 1 swarm covered the entire map and dealt 3k per volley

That means 2 hardeners are needed to not take any damage and stop the missiles from stopping your regen

Swarms are generally the lowest threat to shield vehicles because of explosive damage and shields natural resist to explosive damage - Before the change 60% did mean that 1 swarm missile did not cause enough damage to break the shield rep on all swarm tiers - Now they all will break the regen threshold

It makes me wonder why i would ever run shield again, the hardeners could have been tiered like MLT/Std - 30% - ADV 40% - Proto 50% with a general knock down of 10% for the top mod

In EVE my shield on all my ships passively reps, in DUST it doesnt

But what does annoy me is that a BASIC swarm just ignores my COMPLEX hardener and the 'wave of opportunity' is all the time with a gunlogi, you have a hardener on doesnt matter damage is caused regen stops, dont have a hardener on damage is caused regen is stopped

How can i tank when hardeners do not work? im not able to tank any damage, i need 2 so that my regen isnt stopped by BASIC swarms

At least with a maddy i have passive reps, it does what the gunlogi is supposed to do but better