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Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 620	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:49:00 - [1] - Quote Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that?
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2368	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:50:00 - [2] - Quote It is kinda dumb to think the CPM has some special power to get districts. Tankers- 'Hit us when are hardeners are down" Proceeds to run three hardeners. Proud member of RND
Leonid Tybalt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 352	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:51:00 - [3] - Quote Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3095	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:52:00 - [4] - Quote Dont you mean you just all blued up instead? Cant call if a fight if you are all hugging each other Intelligence is OP
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1585	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:53:00 - [5] - Quote team players/nyian san and AE calling everyone else FOTM chasing carebears? all credability lost right there.
Leonid Tybalt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 352	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:54:00 - [6] - Quote Also your district locking abuse is by far the worst isk-farming operation in Dust right now. So it's kinda fun seeing how you condemn others for wanting to farm
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2768	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:56:00 - [7] - Quote Fiddle speaks for himself and does not represent all views within NF :-P "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1585	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:56:00 - [8] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Fiddle speaks for himself and does not represent all views within NF :-P owned
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 374	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:57:00 - [9] - Quote While I am just a nobody and I do agree with you - So many of you guys are just as carebear. Banding up together so no one may question your indomitable might. From the average guys perspective PC has been and always will be a uninspiring lag fest, something most average players will not want to participate in. The whole 'timer' scenario sucked in EVE and sucks here in DUST too. Forgive me, I had grand ideas about persistent battles that people could hop in and hop out of as they pleased. In reality its just a glorified skirmish. No persistence, nothing really in the way of customisation either. I'm sure in some respects you agree with me. However loads of you are just as carebear as half of these forum goes.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 678	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:02:00 - [10] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Also your district locking abuse is by far the worst isk-farming operation in Dust right now. So it's kinda fun seeing how you condemn others for wanting to farm Many of you just simply don't understand. If the enemy teams is running the FOTM, than the best counter is to do the same. And with that district locking, yeah DDB did that, and then stopped to prove a point, losing many of our districts in the process. The point is, you can't PC if you can't make money off your district, so if the enemy is doing it, you have to do it as well. Yes unfortunate, but some of us actually want what you want. A more free and open PC! Absent of the bullshit! Tanks - Balancing Turrets

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 923	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:16:00 - [11] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? Tell us, how much ISK does your corp pay you every week/month from the gains they get from PC? I'm not necessarily suggesting you're wrong, but I am suggesting there may be millions and millions of reasons you feel this way. lol @ "FOTM chasing carebaears". That's cute, but smacks of hypocrisy to me.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 309	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:17:00 - [12] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? The Winner Takes It All
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 621	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:22:00 - [13] - Quote None of that is my point. All this was possible since day 1. The only thing that prevented it in the last 6 months was a mutual distrust between our side and AE. Recently we have proven that we can have honorable relations, so here we are. Meanwhile in that 6 months, ONE team(FA) has stepped up to be able to compete. The relative SP gap isn't that large any more... What is your excuse now? Kane Spero is actually a pretty honorable dude. Every time I come up with a scheme to scam PFC out of some isk, he declines. Every time I figure out a way to follow the letter of a contract but not the spirit, he refuses.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 621	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:27:00 - [14] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? Tell us, how much ISK does your corp pay you every week/month from the gains they get from PC? I'm not necessarily suggesting you're wrong -- tbh, cying to devs to undo a situation is the wrong way to go about it -- but I am suggesting there may be millions and millions of reasons you feel this way. lol @ "FOTM chasing carebears". That's cute, but smacks of hypocrisy to me. Respectfully....Leadfoot Kudos to Molon for actually trying to fight back first off. As for me, I decline to take profit except for covering operational expenses and a small amount to cover the massive ISK I lose running proto in pubs constantly. On the whole, I lose a few million each week (that I stockpiled during the TP days) and about 50 million eve isk a week. FOTM wise the only thing I use that is cheesy is cloak right now. If you look at my build, there is probably less than 1% that use anything similar to what I am doing right now. I'm having a blast with it though.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4062	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:30:00 - [15] - Quote And now we see Kains slaves come running to his aid. How cute. Fare well my commando's fist of god o7 Patron saint of commandos Ck.0-scout, commando // ak.0- logi (commando soonTM)
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2770	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:04:00 - [16] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? Tell us, how much ISK does your corp pay you every week/month from the gains they get from PC? I'm not necessarily suggesting you're wrong -- tbh, cying to devs to undo a situation is the wrong way to go about it -- but I am suggesting there may be millions and millions of reasons you feel this way. lol @ "FOTM chasing carebears". That's cute, but smacks of hypocrisy to me. Respectfully....Leadfoot Kudos to Molon for actually trying to fight back first off. As for me, I decline to take profit except for covering operational expenses and a small amount to cover the massive ISK I lose running proto in pubs constantly. On the whole, I lose a few million each week (that I stockpiled during the TP days) and about 50 million eve isk a week. FOTM wise the only thing I use that is cheesy is cloak right now. If you look at my build, there is probably less than 1% that use anything similar to what I am doing right now. I'm having a blast with it though. Come on kain stop using an alt :-P no way would anyone be that blindy led :-P "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Leonid Tybalt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 359	Posted - 2014.03.27 14:46:00 - [17] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Also your district locking abuse is by far the worst isk-farming operation in Dust right now. So it's kinda fun seeing how you condemn others for wanting to farm Many of you just simply don't understand. If the enemy teams is running the FOTM, than the best counter is to do the same. And with that district locking, yeah DDB did that, and then stopped to prove a point, losing many of our districts in the process. The point is, you can't PC if you can't make money off your district, so if the enemy is doing it, you have to do it as well. Yes unfortunate, but some of us actually want what you want. A more free and open PC! Absent of the bullshit! Excuses excuses...
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 942	Posted - 2014.03.27 14:54:00 - [18] - Quote Most corps gave up on PC making it more profitable to farm ISK than to fight. Without having to worry about a legitimate threat coming along trying to make a name for themselves of course a few corps will blue up to farm free ISK. There were several factors that led to the pathetic current state of PC and trying to single out one person as some kind of "mastermind" is idiotic. If you really want my honest answer I'd tell you that they did it because what the hell else are they supposed to do? Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4809	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:01:00 - [19] - Quote DNS owns 79% of MH I give if another week before we own 100% of everything outside of PFC and Thunderdome planet lol GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Blind Nojoy G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 153	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:06:00 - [20] - Quote Move this sh* t to the war room. I'd rather read the patch QQ and tanker tears.

Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:15:00 - [21] - Quote Given the incentive structure, things like this are bound to happen. I don't think it's the product of malevolence or some grand scheme. Playing a winning hand (in this case having most of the best players in the game) doesn't make someone a genius. It just means they're competent. In the interest of more fights, I'd like a shake up of the current alliance, but it's not going to diminish my enjoyment of the game that much. Cheers, Aramis
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1505	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:18:00 - [22] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: team players/nyian san and AE calling everyone else FOTM chasing carebears? all credability lost right there. You Do Understand they are the ones Creating FOTM.... Started with Impz... Theory craft the best builds for competitive play(PC) Then people see how strong it is in Pubs and copy. The Great cycle of FOTM... The amount of times i heard in newb corps "I'm just gonna wait to see what Nyain san is running, to spec into that" IS in the hundreds...
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 845	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:26:00 - [23] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? Tell us, how much ISK does your corp pay you every week/month from the gains they get from PC? I'm not necessarily suggesting you're wrong -- tbh, cying to devs to undo a situation is the wrong way to go about it -- but I am suggesting there may be millions and millions of reasons you feel this way. lol @ "FOTM chasing carebears". That's cute, but smacks of hypocrisy to me. Respectfully....Leadfoot Kudos to Molon for actually trying to fight back first off. As for me, I decline to take profit except for covering operational expenses and a small amount to cover the massive ISK I lose running proto in pubs constantly. On the whole, I lose a few million each week (that I stockpiled during the TP days) and about 50 million eve isk a week. FOTM wise the only thing I use that is cheesy is cloak right now. If you look at my build, there is probably less than 1% that use anything similar to what I am doing right now. I'm having a blast with it though. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 845	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:34:00 - [24] - Quote edit "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 610	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:40:00 - [25] - Quote 'lols' alround guys! Fiddle, im glad your posting here, because your EVE record would get you laughed out of here rather sharpish. FOTM is deifnately order of the day, I would of figured that out when you guys ran straight CR and RR spam!! At the end of the day, what did you guys expect? FA Look like they were planted, or at least a deal was struck pretty early on which meant that instead of running the show like the 'leet' corp they should be, they (Zatara) asked everyone else in the alliance for money(Molon & STB Mostly) and no showed half there fights. Hmmmm. So Sir flakey/leakalot as he is know known in the alliance has moved to 'better things' aka NF Already did i see, congratz! Then we have TP, AE, IMPS & Remainder of PFBz(lol and FA now) all join one giant circle jerk and attack everyone else. Well done guys! What else did you expect? Im glad your all on the same side, hopefully it makes for a bit of interesting Meta when it all goes to sh!te. Because unless someone is looking to burn it to the ground then DUST is going to become very stale. Ive already detailed out why most of the corps in GTA havent come out swinging, I also think alot of FOTM was based on the RR and CR. because a heavy dying in 2 secs to a CR is fair/right? lol... The fact that you hold 79% of MH is nothing, you dont hold 100%? so until you try and keep the posting like you own the place to yourselves. Lastly Kain Spero, the fact that as a CSM, who probably has access to more priveledge information than the rest of New eden has then proceeded to lead this crusade against New eden is diabolical tbh. Why this guy is being fed information about current affairs/bugs/impending nerfs/buffs/brief glimpses of whats to come before the rest of is has led to an unfair advantage for the rest of us. IMHO Of coarse theres going to be; KAIN SPERO : 'GUSY I WOULD NEVER DO THAT I RESPECT CSM AND CCP TOO MUCH TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU GUYS k?' Who you going to believe? STB EU Director since October 2012. STB EVE Pilot ; Vervz
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 845	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:43:00 - [26] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? Tell us, how much ISK does your corp pay you every week/month from the gains they get from PC? I'm not necessarily suggesting you're wrong -- tbh, cying to devs to undo a situation is the wrong way to go about it -- but I am suggesting there may be millions and millions of reasons you feel this way. lol @ "FOTM chasing carebears". That's cute, but smacks of hypocrisy to me. Respectfully....Leadfoot Kudos to Molon for actually trying to fight back first off. As for me, I decline to take profit except for covering operational expenses and a small amount to cover the massive ISK I lose running proto in pubs constantly. On the whole, I lose a few million each week (that I stockpiled during the TP days) and about 50 million eve isk a week. FOTM wise the only thing I use that is cheesy is cloak right now. If you look at my build, there is probably less than 1% that use anything similar to what I am doing right now. I'm having a blast with it though. You just threw out wallet numbers that would take 15-20 average players to equal. When I say average I'm not referring to individual skill either btw. The last few OSG PC matches (way back) before we walked away from PC we had teams literally throwing protogear into our guns and burning clone packs steadily trying to clone us since they were usually behind on MCC. No tactics other than zerg and out-spend; and I acknowledge that ISK attrition is a very viable strategy. That ways a very expensive venture for us and we are in pretty good shape. It's hard to imagine an up and coming corp trying to fight their way INTO the PC game without the ISK farm in place and the closed beta vets with 50mil wallets walking around. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2246	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:45:00 - [27] - Quote yes AE and the rest "won" pc, eventually something might change but I would expect it any time soon, as mentioned by many they can just sit and enjoy isk without playing the game, most eve players prefer this. the Nyan alliance are eve players and isk sellers so this is the prefered situation. the situation is easily resolved by opening up more and more districts for players to fight over, it's quite reasonable for a large alliance to control a sector of space, the problem is we don't have any other sectors to fight over.
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 361	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:49:00 - [28] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? Tell us, how much ISK does your corp pay you every week/month from the gains they get from PC? I'm not necessarily suggesting you're wrong -- tbh, cying to devs to undo a situation is the wrong way to go about it -- but I am suggesting there may be millions and millions of reasons you feel this way. lol @ "FOTM chasing carebears". That's cute, but smacks of hypocrisy to me. Respectfully....Leadfoot Kudos to Molon for actually trying to fight back first off. As for me, I decline to take profit except for covering operational expenses and a small amount to cover the massive ISK I lose running proto in pubs constantly. On the whole, I lose a few million each week (that I stockpiled during the TP days) and about 50 million eve isk a week. FOTM wise the only thing I use that is cheesy is cloak right now. If you look at my build, there is probably less than 1% that use anything similar to what I am doing right now. I'm having a blast with it though. You just threw out wallet numbers that would take 15-20 average players to equal. When I say average I'm not referring to individual skill either btw. The last few OSG PC matches (way back) before we walked away from PC we had teams literally throwing protogear into our guns and burning clone packs steadily trying to clone us since they were usually behind on MCC. No tactics other than zerg and out-spend; and I acknowledge that ISK attrition is a very viable strategy. That ways a very expensive venture for us and we are in pretty good shape. It's hard to imagine an up and coming corp trying to fight their way INTO the PC game without the ISK farm in place and the closed beta vets with 50mil wallets walking around. 50mil? Try 500mil, the more things stagnate the more people will get richer. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1114	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:53:00 - [29] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: DNS owns 79% of MH I give if another week before we own 100% of everything outside of PFC and Thunderdome planet lol Wow it really is hilarious how you all are trying to ruin this game! But like most human beings you'll just selfishly think only of yourselves, f*ck up the ecosystem and then move on. So what game are you pricks moving to after Dust dies because no new players come in because of protostomping douchebags with unlimited ISK from PC and all us vets get sick of the same old stale game you are helping to create? So I can avoid playing it Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5230	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:57:00 - [30] - Quote What is stopping people from fighting back? fuckign casuls

ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 382	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:58:00 - [31] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: 'lols' alround guys! Fiddle, im glad your posting here, because your EVE record would get you laughed out of here rather sharpish. ~SNIP~ I don't know of any DUST players that could PVP there way out of a wet paper bag in EVE. Though having said that, right now the incentive nor the connection between the two games really even warrants people trying. Hell IF that day ever comes, hit me up as I will happily blast some dust / eve fools down for the right price. (I consider myself a reasonable PVPer in EVE but certainly NOT one of the best for sure.)
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calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2246	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:59:00 - [33] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: What is stopping people from fighting back? several things first is the fact that any time you attack any of these districts you will have exactly 120 clones, this costs your corp 30 million, they will defend with 450 clones. in short you can't hope to win in a single attack. next you have experience, most corps can't get pc practice or even practice fighting as a corp, while AE and many others can get all the practice they want via the pc attacks they have. finnally and most improtantly once you take a district you are in the middle of an alliances territory where every single district is controlled by the enemy alliance, they can attack you every day every time until they win with no threat of loses on their part.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1115	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:01:00 - [34] - Quote calisk galern wrote: yes AE and the rest "won" pc, eventually something might change but I would expect it any time soon, as mentioned by many they can just sit and enjoy isk without playing the game, most eve players prefer this. the Nyan alliance are eve players and isk sellers so this is the prefered situation. the situation is easily resolved by opening up more and more districts for players to fight over, it's quite reasonable for a large alliance to control a sector of space, the problem is we don't have any other sectors to fight over. The problem is that the passive ISK allows these people to make the rest of the game absolute crap for every other player because all there is to do is pubs, FW, and PC. If the ISK farming that goes on in PC didn't allow the rich kids to drive off new players and generally make pubs and FW miserable to play I wouldn't give a f*ck about who rules Molden Heath. But the fact is CCP designed an artificial economic system within this game that is simply not good for the long term sustainability of the game. Short term it may make them some money from Aurum, but long term vets leave stagnant boring games so you need incoming players most of which are not going to stick around to be the whipping boys for the PC farmers Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 361	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:11:00 - [35] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: calisk galern wrote: yes AE and the rest "won" pc, eventually something might change but I would expect it any time soon, as mentioned by many they can just sit and enjoy isk without playing the game, most eve players prefer this. the Nyan alliance are eve players and isk sellers so this is the prefered situation. the situation is easily resolved by opening up more and more districts for players to fight over, it's quite reasonable for a large alliance to control a sector of space, the problem is we don't have any other sectors to fight over. The problem is that the passive ISK allows these people to make the rest of the game absolute crap for every other player because all there is to do is pubs, FW, and PC. If the ISK farming that goes on in PC didn't allow the rich kids to drive off new players and generally make pubs and FW miserable to play I wouldn't give a f*ck about who rules Molden Heath. But the fact is CCP designed an artificial economic system within this game that is simply not good for the long term sustainability of the game. Short term it may make them some money from Aurum, but long term vets leave stagnant boring games so you need incoming players most of which are not going to stick around to be the whipping boys for the PC farmers You don't think that stretching the limits of PC in that way will not force CCP to change the mechanics so that large alliances can not do this again? Think about it...Any time a weapon or mechanic was overused CCP addressed it. No problems can be addressed unless they stressed tested by the community. PC was never meant to be this way, something will change and it will be to the credit of all the players that took over Molden Heath. Things will change, so yes, keep voicing your opinion about it but don't hate the player hate the game. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 305	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:19:00 - [36] - Quote Sorry fuckbucket but we actually won PC back in August last year. The losers are you sad cunts who act like its relevant.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2246	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:20:00 - [37] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Sorry fuckbucket but we actually won PC back in August last year. The losers are you sad cunts who act like its relevant. the fact that you troll on an alt loses some if not all of the point you are trying to make. when I troll I do it to your face and I don't hide the fact that i'm the one doing it.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 11	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:06:00 - [38] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: None of that is my point. All this was possible since day 1. The only thing that prevented it in the last 6 months was a mutual distrust between our side and AE. Recently we have proven that we can have honorable relations, so here we are. Meanwhile in that 6 months, ONE team(FA) has stepped up to be able to compete. The relative SP gap isn't that large any more... What is your excuse now? Kane Spero is actually a pretty honorable dude. Every time I come up with a scheme to scam PFC out of some isk, he declines. Every time I figure out a way to follow the letter of a contract but not the spirit, he refuses. Okay I'll play, How many team deploy/corp battle matches have you participated in in comparison to the average Dust player? I've been in quite a few and I'll be the first to admit that Molon Labe hasn't performed well against the higher tier corps, but then NOBODY has. As mentioned before FA is the only corp to really break through, but let's not pretend that FA's teams are made up of players that came out of nowhere. It's not like Pheonix Federation went to school and studied the maps, trained hard, and started beating people like bosses. FA's teams earned their experience fighting in PC's with their former corps. Those that didn't had plenty of people with experience to square them away. I don't think you'll find anybody out there that won't give props for the players in the donut and their skill. I don't think you'll find anybody out there that will fail to admit that you guys won PC. I also don't think that anybody can look at the state of things and have a warm, fuzzy feeling about the future if it stays the way it currently is. CCP doesn't promote squad/team play AT ALL to the average player in Dust. Hell the ISK incentives in pub matches have turned Dust pub matches into boring ass snoozefests. Unless something MAJOR is done in that area then the donut is going to be printing ISK for a long time waiting for the overall Dust skill level to provide any competition. I just wish Roman, Fiddle, and Free Bears would quite acting like this was some competitive strategy to overtake some common enemy. You guys were the only ones that could fight each other and it not end in a redline within a few minutes. If that's what you want out of Dust, why bother continuing to play at all?
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2308	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:14:00 - [39] - Quote Kaughst wrote: ...You don't think that stretching the limits of PC in that way will not force CCP to change the mechanics so that large alliances can not do this again? Think about it...Any time a weapon or mechanic was overused CCP addressed it. No problems can be addressed unless they stressed tested by the community. PC was never meant to be this way, something will change and it will be to the credit of all the players that took over Molden Heath. Things will change, so yes, keep voicing your opinion about it but don't hate the player hate the game... This is the most bullsh*t excuse for exploitation. It is used often, but is basically the same as any criminal saying, "Hey guys, by robbing banks I'm actually making you all have BETTER security! I'm actually the good guy here, because the police and CEOs just gave you the ILLUSION of security. I should be able to keep all of your money because of my helpful service!" The criminal can always find a way to outsmart the citizen (customer) and the government (vendor). But it is not anyone's duty to BREAK that social contract between the two. That isn't what makes society/community better. Yes... it is just a game... Can Kain make the case that he 'honorably' maintained his position as CPM0? No.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 13	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:17:00 - [40] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Kaughst wrote: ...You don't think that stretching the limits of PC in that way will not force CCP to change the mechanics so that large alliances can not do this again? Think about it...Any time a weapon or mechanic was overused CCP addressed it. No problems can be addressed unless they stressed tested by the community. PC was never meant to be this way, something will change and it will be to the credit of all the players that took over Molden Heath. Things will change, so yes, keep voicing your opinion about it but don't hate the player hate the game... This is the most bullsh*t excuse for exploitation. It is used often, but is basically the same as any criminal saying, "Hey guys, buy robbing banks I'm actually making you all hav BETTER security! I'm actually the good guy here, because the police and CEOs just gave you the ILLUSION of security. I should be able to keep all of your money because of my helpful service!" I actually agree with them. I think it's the only way it will change. The problem is that such a small percentage of the community understands the dynamics of PC.

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2308	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:28:00 - [41] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Kaughst wrote: ...You don't think that stretching the limits of PC in that way will not force CCP to change the mechanics so that large alliances can not do this again? Think about it...Any time a weapon or mechanic was overused CCP addressed it. No problems can be addressed unless they stressed tested by the community. PC was never meant to be this way, something will change and it will be to the credit of all the players that took over Molden Heath. Things will change, so yes, keep voicing your opinion about it but don't hate the player hate the game... This is the most bullsh*t excuse for exploitation. It is used often, but is basically the same as any criminal saying, "Hey guys, buy robbing banks I'm actually making you all hav BETTER security! I'm actually the good guy here, because the police and CEOs just gave you the ILLUSION of security. I should be able to keep all of your money because of my helpful service!" I actually agree with them. I think it's the only way it will change. The problem is that such a small percentage of the community understands the dynamics of PC. No! If we are both arguing that the CPM has knowledge of upcoming PC 2.0 AND that the Blue Donus Coalition are exploiting the current environment at the expense of valuable oppotunities for smaller corps to get PC experience without paying the clone-pack premiums, then you can't ALSO argue that "this is the only way it was going to change." We know two things right now... A) CPM knew about initial frameworks for PC 1.now that never really worked itself out. B) CPM knows a bit about upcoming PC 2.0. More than anyone, the CPM would be able to monitor and give input about the progression of PC as designed. Knowing A would demonstrate a faith in the potential to develop products to build PC content. Knowing B would represent the future of what is coming. If you know ^^B^^ is coming, you CANT also argue that "BLUELINING Molden Heath HAD to happen in order to change things." You knew change was coming in the first place. Your options were to: 1) Be good sports, and capitalize on the moral high ground of 'good sportsmanship' while struggling to defend a significantly large chunk of space. or 2) Blue-line Molden Heath - and claim the cultural victory at the expense of the community's cheap and fair experience of the 'end--game'.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 366	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:29:00 - [42] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? Tell us, how much ISK does your corp pay you every week/month from the gains they get from PC? I'm not necessarily suggesting you're wrong -- tbh, cying to devs to undo a situation is the wrong way to go about it -- but I am suggesting there may be millions and millions of reasons you feel this way. lol @ "FOTM chasing carebears". That's cute, but smacks of hypocrisy to me. Respectfully....Leadfoot Kudos to Molon for actually trying to fight back first off. As for me, I decline to take profit except for covering operational expenses and a small amount to cover the massive ISK I lose running proto in pubs constantly. On the whole, I lose a few million each week (that I stockpiled during the TP days) and about 50 million eve isk a week. FOTM wise the only thing I use that is cheesy is cloak right now. If you look at my build, there is probably less than 1% that use anything similar to what I am doing right now. I'm having a blast with it though. FOTM care bears farming ISK and then you state that you use ISK from PC to run proto in pubs. That's just hilarious. Because, that's why.
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 362	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:32:00 - [43] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Kaughst wrote: ...You don't think that stretching the limits of PC in that way will not force CCP to change the mechanics so that large alliances can not do this again? Think about it...Any time a weapon or mechanic was overused CCP addressed it. No problems can be addressed unless they stressed tested by the community. PC was never meant to be this way, something will change and it will be to the credit of all the players that took over Molden Heath. Things will change, so yes, keep voicing your opinion about it but don't hate the player hate the game... This is the most bullsh*t excuse for exploitation. It is used often, but is basically the same as any criminal saying, "Hey guys, by robbing banks I'm actually making you all have BETTER security! I'm actually the good guy here, because the police and CEOs just gave you the ILLUSION of security. I should be able to keep all of your money because of my helpful service!" The criminal can always find a way to outsmart the citizen (customer) and the government (vendor). But it is not anyone's duty to BREAK that social contract between the two. That isn't what makes society/community better. Yes... it is just a game... Can Kain make the case that he 'honorably' maintained his position as CPM0? No. Don't compare a bank robbery to a bunch of people working together to go control a virtual space you do a disservice to everyone who died or was hurt by those events. People don't need an excuse to take over Molden Heath, the game encourages people to take over the Universe and the players decide that either individually or collectively. What they receive out of controlling that space and how you can go about it is up to CCP to decide. Nothing stops a alliance in the future from controlling Molden Heath or other vast tracks of land...besides that there is more than one region in lowsec and entire regions in null sec. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4816	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:35:00 - [44] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: DNS owns 79% of MH I give if another week before we own 100% of everything outside of PFC and Thunderdome planet lol Wow it really is hilarious how you all are trying to ruin this game! But like most human beings you'll just selfishly think only of yourselves, fck up the ecosystem and then move on. So what game are you pricks moving to after Dust dies because no new players come in because of protostomping douchebags with unlimited ISK from PC and all us vets get sick of the same old stale game you are helping to create? So I can avoid playing it Tell me, what exactly has changed in pub matches since DNS has taken over? ...... NOTHING! doesn't matter who runs PC. Doesn't matter if everyone in PC is fighting instead of blueing up. It doesn't affect pubs in the slightest. So get out of here with your "Unlimited proto stomping" BS! Proto stomping will continue whether there is PC or not. Also this is New Eden. Aren't Eve players praised for trying to get total dominance? GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5* \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 44	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:39:00 - [45] - Quote When this game is worth grinding endlessly for isk, to fight people who have enough to beat you every time for the rest of dust then people will bother with PC but I can't ever see building toward inevitably loosing to be something that anyone would want to do, ever. Let's say that a corp accumulated 2 billion isk and was undeniably better than even the imps, any of the top corps could simply grind them until they have nothing anyway. So its loose or join. PC is done, gg CCP. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2308	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:48:00 - [46] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Kaughst wrote: ...You don't think that stretching the limits of PC in that way will not force CCP to change the mechanics so that large alliances can not do this again? Think about it...Any time a weapon or mechanic was overused CCP addressed it. No problems can be addressed unless they stressed tested by the community. PC was never meant to be this way, something will change and it will be to the credit of all the players that took over Molden Heath. Things will change, so yes, keep voicing your opinion about it but don't hate the player hate the game... This is the most bullsh*t excuse for exploitation. It is used often, but is basically the same as any criminal saying, "Hey guys, by robbing banks I'm actually making you all have BETTER security! I'm actually the good guy here, because the police and CEOs just gave you the ILLUSION of security. I should be able to keep all of your money because of my helpful service!" The criminal can always find a way to outsmart the citizen (customer) and the government (vendor). But it is not anyone's duty to BREAK that social contract between the two. That isn't what makes society/community better. Yes... it is just a game... Can Kain make the case that he 'honorably' maintained his position as CPM0? No. Don't compare a bank robbery to a bunch of people working together to go control a virtual space you do a disservice to everyone who died or was hurt by those events. People don't need an excuse to take over Molden Heath, the game encourages people to take over the Universe and the players decide that either individually or collectively. What they receive out of controlling that space and how you can go about it is up to CCP to decide. Nothing stops a alliance in the future from controlling Molden Heath or other vast tracks of land...besides that there is more than one region in lowsec and entire regions in null sec. No you didn't get my point. I'm not saying that what they did was robbery. I'm saying doing what they did and claiming that they are "doing everyone a favor" is pretty hypocritical. There are a lot of better ways they could have "done the game a favor". Yes, it would probably have been ALOT more work, but Blue-lining molden heath really only helps a few of us. Again, I'm not saying they weren't crafty or have poor players, they obviously have some of the best. I'm just saying they can't claim the "nice-guy-blue-donut-CEOs" title. My point about bank robbery is that you can have respect for the robber's craft, bravery, and his cleverness, but he is still screwing people.
Scheherazade VII 368	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:54:00 - [47] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? the war room is thatta way --------->
Scheherazade VII 369	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:01:00 - [48] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: DNS owns 79% of MH I give if another week before we own 100% of everything outside of PFC and Thunderdome planet lol Wow it really is hilarious how you all are trying to ruin this game! But like most human beings you'll just selfishly think only of yourselves, fck up the ecosystem and then move on. So what game are you pricks moving to after Dust dies because no new players come in because of protostomping douchebags with unlimited ISK from PC and all us vets get sick of the same old stale game you are helping to create? So I can avoid playing it +1 that's how I feel, these people don't care, they're selfish. they take all the fun out of the game, they stomp on people relentessly and will happily redline and 5-cap people in sgtarter fits whilst they Q sync in proto gear just for the fact that they are not losing. I hate people like this, they obviously don't care about the game, they just want to milk it for all it's worth and the move on, whilst crapping on everybody they can. scum of the earth in my opinion, play fair. no specific person was mentioned here so calm your *** keyboard warriors.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2745	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:04:00 - [49] - Quote Brags about having their name on some stuff in a fundamentally broken system Expects to be taken seriously Face palm I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1784	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:07:00 - [50] - Quote The reality is this: Spero simply played the game brilliantly. Full stop. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2308	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:08:00 - [51] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: The reality is this: Spero simply played the game brilliantly. Full stop. So as a CPM1 candidate are you saying you would ALSO use inside information as the CPM to worm your way toward domination in the game?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1784	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:12:00 - [52] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: The reality is this: Spero simply played the game brilliantly. Full stop. So as a CPM1 candidate are you saying you would ALSO use inside information as the CPM to worm your way toward domination in the game? No, I'm stating that in no way does anything Spero did involve insider knowledge. Check your nearest district tracker and see how on-track my plans for domination are going, lol. My alliance has two districts. ;) I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1399	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:13:00 - [53] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1399	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:14:00 - [54] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Brags about having their name on some stuff in a fundamentally broken system Expects to be taken seriously Face palm anyone can blame a 'broken system' for their failures.
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 44	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:15:00 - [55] - Quote low genius wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing? Please explain how spreading a problem and making it bigger solves anything? "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 24	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:15:00 - [56] - Quote low genius wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing? It doesn't need to be opened up. It already enjoys paltry participation from the community. The problem is that the mechanics allow for small groups to completely dominate it. Opening it up more districts with the same mechanics only leads to more ISK in the donut's pocket.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1784	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:17:00 - [57] - Quote RendonaSix wrote: Please explain how spreading a problem and making it bigger solves anything? The worse the problem gets, the higher a priority it is for CCP to fix it. Exacerbating issues with the game to force CCP to pay attention to them is a time-honored EVE tradition, whether it suits your personal morals or not. I know in particular Goons went heavy on drone assist because they knew it was game-breakingly OP, and they wanted CCP to nerf it. By making it so widely used, they forced CCP to pay attention to the problem. (It has since, recently, been fixed.) M1tch Rapp wrote: It doesn't need to be opened up. It already enjoys paltry participation from the community. The problem is that the mechanics allow for small groups to completely dominate it. Opening it up more districts with the same mechanics only leads to more ISK in the donut's pocket. This is true. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1401	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:27:00 - [58] - Quote RendonaSix wrote: low genius wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing? Please explain how spreading a problem and making it bigger solves anything? molden heath is too small, and needs either more planets available, or a new region must be introduced. it will be very hard for even a large alliance to cover 2 regions of dust antics. the only way to get bigger battles in eve, was to bring bigger guys to the fight and crash the servers until ccp fixed it. it will be the same for planetary conquest. they'll have to make a bigger sandbox if we take their whole sandbox. don't act like the guys who run molden heath aren't the biggest proponents of dust in the game. we want dust to succeed as much as anyone, and we're willing to make the moves to make it happen. i'm sorry if it's inconvenient for you right now. we're working on your behalf.
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 44	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:30:00 - [59] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: RendonaSix wrote: Please explain how spreading a problem and making it bigger solves anything? The worse the problem gets, the higher a priority it is for CCP to fix it. Exacerbating issues with the game to force CCP to pay attention to them is a time-honored EVE tradition, whether it suits your personal morals or not. I know in particular Goons went heavy on drone assist because they knew it was game-breakingly OP, and they wanted CCP to nerf it. By making it so widely used, they forced CCP to pay attention to the problem. (It has since, recently, been fixed.) M1tch Rapp wrote: It doesn't need to be opened up. It already enjoys paltry participation from the community. The problem is that the mechanics allow for small groups to completely dominate it. Opening it up more districts with the same mechanics only leads to more ISK in the donut's pocket. This is true. Its just a shame they don't simply listen and watch what's happening, maybe they do that too much.........meh. If we got a player market though, anyone could easily play it and make a clone pack every half hour oir hour, then there'd be no isk disparity and in my eyes, no real issue other than 'wagh I'm not top dog'. I really think that if we had a player market then we could MAKE the isk rather than grind it in pubs, it'd be great. What do you think? As we know, PC isn't meant to be won but without a way to make isk and keep a corp going then it may as well be won and finished. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1401	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:31:00 - [60] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: low genius wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing? It doesn't need to be opened up. It already enjoys paltry participation from the community. The problem is that the mechanics allow for small groups to completely dominate it. Opening it up more districts with the same mechanics only leads to more ISK in the donut's pocket. as a player who has eve support you should know better. if they open up syndicate (for instance, a region that is 20 jumps away by shortest route) then it will be almost impossible for the same pilots to cover those two regions. it's a logistical nightmare.

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1401	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:32:00 - [61] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: And now we see Kains slaves come running to his aid. How cute. because kain runs dns? you guys live in a make believe world.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1401	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:36:00 - [62] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: What is stopping people from fighting back? balls level 5
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 29	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:38:00 - [63] - Quote low genius wrote: M1tch Rapp wrote: low genius wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing? It doesn't need to be opened up. It already enjoys paltry participation from the community. The problem is that the mechanics allow for small groups to completely dominate it. Opening it up more districts with the same mechanics only leads to more ISK in the donut's pocket. as a player who has eve support you should know better. if they open up syndicate (for instance, a region that is 20 jumps away by shortest route) then it will be almost impossible for the same pilots to cover those two regions. it's a logistical nightmare. Eve support matters not in the current situation. The problem is the concentration of talent in the donut. They have twice the number of A teams necessary to dominate MH. AE and NS could have taken over with all the districts they had BEFORE the donut formed, they just didn't want to have to stop playing their PS4s to do it.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 30	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:39:00 - [64] - Quote low genius wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: What is stopping people from fighting back? balls level 5 How about ISK level 10000
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1403	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:41:00 - [65] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: low genius wrote: M1tch Rapp wrote: low genius wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing? It doesn't need to be opened up. It already enjoys paltry participation from the community. The problem is that the mechanics allow for small groups to completely dominate it. Opening it up more districts with the same mechanics only leads to more ISK in the donut's pocket. as a player who has eve support you should know better. if they open up syndicate (for instance, a region that is 20 jumps away by shortest route) then it will be almost impossible for the same pilots to cover those two regions. it's a logistical nightmare. Eve support matters not in the current situation. The problem is the concentration of talent in the donut. They have twice the number of A teams necessary to dominate MH. AE and NS could have taken over with all the districts they had BEFORE the donut formed, they just didn't want to have to stop playing their PS4s to do it. beta characters will run this game, just like they run eve online. if you think we're not going to work hard to get as many beta characters in our alliance as possible, you're crazy. EVERYONE is trying to get the most talent available under their banner, right? what other choice is there? to let personal feelings get in the way of business? that's bad business. eve is serious business.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1403	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:43:00 - [66] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: low genius wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: What is stopping people from fighting back? balls level 5 How about ISK level 10000 isk makes no difference. people spend their isk foolishly, and anyone can make isk non stop wearing free suits. if you want to be rich, run cheap.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 33	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:50:00 - [67] - Quote low genius wrote: M1tch Rapp wrote: low genius wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: What is stopping people from fighting back? balls level 5 How about ISK level 10000 isk makes no difference. people spend their isk foolishly, and anyone can make isk non stop wearing free suits. if you want to be rich, run cheap. There is literally ZERO chance that any corp outside of the donut would be able to take a district from the donut using clone packs. When I say ZERO that might be seen as an exaggeration but it's not. Even if you were able to win 3 consecutive battles with clone packs you are talking about 108 million ISK per district. Now take your pick from what district will 300 clones be immediately sent from to take it back. There's a reason that PC slowly ran off 90% of the people that participated in it from day 1.
Andrew Ka Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 39	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:53:00 - [68] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: ...and a small amount to cover the massive ISK I lose running proto in pubs constantly. That is the issue had by most people I've chatted with.
Leonid Tybalt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 367	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:55:00 - [69] - Quote low genius wrote: M1tch Rapp wrote: low genius wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: What is stopping people from fighting back? balls level 5 How about ISK level 10000 isk makes no difference. people spend their isk foolishly, and anyone can make isk non stop wearing free suits. if you want to be rich, run cheap. Or like you do: lock districts and do nothing and just earn isk passively. It's kinda funny how ccp frowns on the usage of bots and macros in Eve Online, yet is perfectly fine with district locking which results in pretty much exactly the same thing: massive isk gain with hardly any in game activity.
Blind Nojoy G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 154	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:58:00 - [70] - Quote low genius wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: What is stopping people from fighting back? balls level 5 Common f* cking sense. Why do half the DNS guys acknowledge that PC is broken and the mechanics for an attack using clone packs are un-useable, then the other half ask why we don't have the "balls" to attack. I guess you all weren't getting enough attention in the war room so you felt the need to put this this useless thread in general discussion. I would ask my fellow Tso guys to stop posting in this thread, and I would ask the blue tags why this thread is in GD. OP, nobody cares THAT much. I'll put in a petition to have them make a PS3 trophy "dust champion". Then you can just check out your trophies and beat off whenever you feel the need to use your giant e-balls. For the rest of us, we have new toys to play with and complain about. Please STFU while we check out our new stuff.

Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1122	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:01:00 - [71] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: DNS owns 79% of MH I give if another week before we own 100% of everything outside of PFC and Thunderdome planet lol Wow it really is hilarious how you all are trying to ruin this game! But like most human beings you'll just selfishly think only of yourselves, f*ck up the ecosystem and then move on. So what game are you pricks moving to after Dust dies because no new players come in because of protostomping douchebags with unlimited ISK from PC and all us vets get sick of the same old stale game you are helping to create? So I can avoid playing it Tell me, what exactly has changed in pub matches since DNS has taken over? ...... NOTHING! doesn't matter who runs PC. Doesn't matter if everyone in PC is fighting instead of blueing up. It doesn't affect pubs in the slightest. So get out of here with your "Unlimited proto stomping" BS! Proto stomping will continue whether there is PC or not. Also this is New Eden. Aren't Eve players praised for trying to get total dominance? Eve has a whole giant section of space that players don't dominate and there is more to do in Eve than PvP. Whenever one alliance controls PC it makes pubs and FW warfare less fun for those of us who either can't or refuse to go ball out running proto in those matches. Even if you guys in AE can afford to run proto in PC and out of it, many people in smaller or less elite corps who were also in PC could only afford to run their best stuff in PC or it at least gave them an outlet to run their best stuff. If you guys have PC all blued up, lets see where else can all those mid tier corps all play together and use their best stuff? FW and pubs. Its ultimately CCPs fault for having such a terribly implemented end game, but just because CCP built such an easily abusable system doesn't excuse you guys for taking advantage of it. If CCP gives me ways to generate ISK and SP where I can avoid dealing with you people, I don't give a shlt if you hold hands and sing kumbaya in Molden Heath forever There was much less protostomping in pubs before their was Dust 514 farmville Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Arunis Gen G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 140	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:04:00 - [72] - Quote Blind Nojoy wrote: low genius wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: What is stopping people from fighting back? balls level 5 Common f* cking sense. Why do half the DNS guys acknowledge that PC is broken and the mechanics for an attack using clone packs are un-useable, then the other half ask why we don't have the "balls" to attack. I guess you all weren't getting enough attention in the war room so you felt the need to put this this useless thread in general discussion. I would ask my fellow Tso guys to stop posting in this thread, and I would ask the blue tags why this thread is in GD. OP, nobody cares THAT much. I'll put in a petition to have them make a PS3 trophy "dust champion". Then you can just check out your trophies and beat off whenever you feel the need to use your giant e-balls. For the rest of us, we have new toys to play with and complain about. Please STFU while we check out our new stuff. Haha. You said giant. `~_~-G I A N T for Life-~_~ ~_~-Head Diplomat-~_~`
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 632	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:06:00 - [73] - Quote This is in general discussion because of the posts accusing Kane of using insider knowledge to gain some sort of advantage were in general discussion. You don't need knowledge of PC 2.0 or whatever hair-brained libel these guys are coming up with to have incentive for us to act as we have. You aren't going to meta your way out of this. Even if your defamation scheme works, the pieces are already in place.
Arunis Gen G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 141	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:09:00 - [74] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: This is in general discussion because of the posts accusing Kane of using insider knowledge to gain some sort of advantage were in general discussion. You don't need knowledge of PC 2.0 or whatever hair-brained libel these guys are coming up with to have incentive for us to act as we have. You aren't going to meta your way out of this. Even if your defamation scheme works, the pieces are already in place. What? With all due respect, dude, please get off the forums. Nobody should give half a **** if someone is accusing another of something. People will always hate on the big kid in the playground. History proves this. You all are idiots. Every single one of you who actively post on the forums QQing and stirring the pot. Lol Edit: WTS: Tinfoil Hats 5m/ea `~_~-G I A N T for Life-~_~ ~_~-Head Diplomat-~_~`
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1122	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:09:00 - [75] - Quote low genius wrote: beta characters will run this game, just like they run eve online. if you think we're not going to work hard to get as many beta characters in our alliance as possible, you're crazy. EVERYONE is trying to get the most talent available under their banner, right? what other choice is there? to let personal feelings get in the way of business? that's bad business. eve is serious business. You can put on your big boy pants and have some actual competition or you can continue to sit on the bench watch the varsity team whip the crap out of the JV squad and pat yourself on the back about how good and/or smart you are for being on such an awesome team. To continue with the sports analogy, leagues have a salary cap to keep things competitive because when one team wins all the time it is bad for everybody in the sport as a whole. Less people watch, less revenue is generated, and if it goes bad enough the league folds. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
CaveCav D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 273	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:24:00 - [76] - Quote I think you are looking for the Flame...erm...the War Room. It's somewhere down here. Dedicated Logibro, Gunner, Counter-Sniper
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 441	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:25:00 - [77] - Quote WTF are we talking about? Do anyone regardless of who you are or what corp you defend believe that the current PC situation is fun? Farming isk is that fun? In what way is it fun to make make belive money in a make believe world? Do you go to your RL friends bragging how mutch isk you have? I just want to have a good fight and PC atm is a big jawn fest. I don't care if I win or loose I just want to have good fights that last more than 10 min. You are not in your right mind regardless on what side of the fence you are at to defend the current PC game mechanics. I have no problem in saying that AE/NYAN/ESCROW and others are the best PC corps out there and I commend you for it. However if you think things are fine as they are you must be kidding me or maybe I am just daft or something for not understanding your point. Regards War never changes
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 632	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:32:00 - [78] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: WTF are we talking about? Do anyone regardless of who you are or what corp you defend believe that the current PC situation is fun? Farming isk is that fun? In what way is it fun to make make belive money in a make believe world? Do you go to your RL friends bragging how mutch isk you have? I just want to have a good fight and PC atm is a big jawn fest. I don't care if I win or loose I just want to have good fights that last more than 10 min. You are not in your right mind regardless on what side of the fence you are at to defend the current PC game mechanics. I have no problem in saying that AE/NYAN/ESCROW and others are the best PC corps out there and I commend you for it. However if you think things are fine as they are you must be kidding me or maybe I am just daft or something for not understanding your point. Regards Who said that the mechanics are fine? If I did, I apologize. Clone packs obviously don't work as intended. That should be the first change. It generates too much ISK. Lower that too. Eve OBs are too powerful, shouldn't get as many per match.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1521	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:33:00 - [79] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Wow it really is hilarious how you all are trying to ruin this game! But like most human beings you'll just selfishly think only of yourselves, f*ck up the ecosystem and then move on. So what game are you pricks moving to after Dust dies because no new players come in because of protostomping douchebags with unlimited ISK from PC and all us vets get sick of the same old stale game you are helping to create? So I can avoid playing it Most of us made our first 20 mil.. Got our skills right... And have been making nothing but sweet profit ever since... PC just added to our already over 300 mil wallets... Most of the players that could Proto pubs and make profit are well over a bil. With throwing away ISK on alts for fun. Blame the people who run endless BPO suits and don;t care about losses... They are the ones ruining the economy and Killing any real competition in Pubs and definitely FW.... And allowing the players who will risk it all for better results to excel. What you complain about is the bad players being able to abuse the system... Not the good ones.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:34:00 - [80] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: WTF are we talking about? Do anyone regardless of who you are or what corp you defend believe that the current PC situation is fun? Farming isk is that fun? In what way is it fun to make make belive money in a make believe world? Do you go to your RL friends bragging how mutch isk you have? I just want to have a good fight and PC atm is a big jawn fest. I don't care if I win or loose I just want to have good fights that last more than 10 min. You are not in your right mind regardless on what side of the fence you are at to defend the current PC game mechanics. I have no problem in saying that AE/NYAN/ESCROW and others are the best PC corps out there and I commend you for it. However if you think things are fine as they are you must be kidding me or maybe I am just daft or something for not understanding your point. Regards Who said that the mechanics are fine? If I did, I apologize. Clone packs obviously don't work as intended. That should be the first change. It generates too much ISK. Lower that too. Eve OBs are too powerful, shouldn't get as many per match. Personally I just want longer battles not a skirm on steroids as it is now. War never changes

M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 37	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:41:00 - [81] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: WTF are we talking about? Do anyone regardless of who you are or what corp you defend believe that the current PC situation is fun? Farming isk is that fun? In what way is it fun to make make belive money in a make believe world? Do you go to your RL friends bragging how mutch isk you have? I just want to have a good fight and PC atm is a big jawn fest. I don't care if I win or loose I just want to have good fights that last more than 10 min. You are not in your right mind regardless on what side of the fence you are at to defend the current PC game mechanics. I have no problem in saying that AE/NYAN/ESCROW and others are the best PC corps out there and I commend you for it. However if you think things are fine as they are you must be kidding me or maybe I am just daft or something for not understanding your point. Regards Who said that the mechanics are fine? If I did, I apologize. Clone packs obviously don't work as intended. That should be the first change. It generates too much ISK. Lower that too. Eve OBs are too powerful, shouldn't get as many per match. I was in a fleet with you a while back when Public Disorder was still a thing. You seemed to be a cool dude. What is your honest take on PC? Do you like it that so few participate? Do you like it that it's so easy for so few to dominate it? If you still won 90% of your fights, but there was participation from even 20% of the community wouldn't that be more fun? Do you feel that a Dust corp full of non PC players have the ability to participate in PC with these mechanics? I don't believe that's the case. I don't think we have the tools available for non PC players to navigate the steep learning curve. Even if they were 1v1 highly skilled slayers I don't think the strategies and tactics would click with them by the time they threw in the towel. I miss the days when Imps and others like them were aholes on the forums, but you could tell they cared about the future of the game.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2310	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:41:00 - [82] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: low genius wrote: beta characters will run this game, just like they run eve online. if you think we're not going to work hard to get as many beta characters in our alliance as possible, you're crazy. EVERYONE is trying to get the most talent available under their banner, right? what other choice is there? to let personal feelings get in the way of business? that's bad business. eve is serious business. You can put on your big boy pants and have some actual competition or you can continue to sit on the bench watch the varsity team whip the crap out of the JV squad and pat yourself on the back about how good and/or smart you are for being on such an awesome team. To continue with the sports analogy, leagues have a salary cap to keep things competitive because when one team wins all the time it is bad for everybody in the sport as a whole. Less people watch, less revenue is generated, and if it goes bad enough the league folds. I think you are missing the point that people are continually making...using your sports analogy... You guys are like the HUGE schools with the ginormous sports budgets bragging and laughing that the B teams in smaller schools just aren't up to your caliber. 1) It takes time in the specific challenges of PC to get good. 2) It takes isk to play enough times to really learn how to be that good. Pub matches don't train you for it. 3) It takes LOTs of time to get the isk to make that huge investment in your corp. Meanwhile, PC passively prints your that isk. 4) You aren't guaranteed any ROI once you take a district in the current PC environment. You would have to go around 20 days of uncontested clone production to buy back 100 million isk worth of invested clone packs.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1124	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:49:00 - [83] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: low genius wrote: beta characters will run this game, just like they run eve online. if you think we're not going to work hard to get as many beta characters in our alliance as possible, you're crazy. EVERYONE is trying to get the most talent available under their banner, right? what other choice is there? to let personal feelings get in the way of business? that's bad business. eve is serious business. You can put on your big boy pants and have some actual competition or you can continue to sit on the bench watch the varsity team whip the crap out of the JV squad and pat yourself on the back about how good and/or smart you are for being on such an awesome team. To continue with the sports analogy, leagues have a salary cap to keep things competitive because when one team wins all the time it is bad for everybody in the sport as a whole. Less people watch, less revenue is generated, and if it goes bad enough the league folds. I think you are missing the point that people are continually making...using your sports analogy... You guys are like the HUGE schools with the ginormous sports budgets bragging and laughing that the B teams in smaller schools just aren't up to your caliber. 1) It takes time in the specific challenges of PC to get good. 2) It takes isk to play enough times to really learn how to be that good. Pub matches don't train you for it. 3) It takes LOTs of time to get the isk to make that huge investment in your corp. Meanwhile, PC passively prints your that isk. 4) You aren't guaranteed any ROI once you take a district in the current PC environment. You would have to go around 20 days of uncontested clone production to buy back 100 million isk worth of invested clone packs. You forgot the part where you need to skill into FotB PC worthy suit and weapon too. One of the things I hated about even playing PC is the lack of variety in suits and weapons and tactics found. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 632	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:06:00 - [84] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: WTF are we talking about? Do anyone regardless of who you are or what corp you defend believe that the current PC situation is fun? Farming isk is that fun? In what way is it fun to make make belive money in a make believe world? Do you go to your RL friends bragging how mutch isk you have? I just want to have a good fight and PC atm is a big jawn fest. I don't care if I win or loose I just want to have good fights that last more than 10 min. You are not in your right mind regardless on what side of the fence you are at to defend the current PC game mechanics. I have no problem in saying that AE/NYAN/ESCROW and others are the best PC corps out there and I commend you for it. However if you think things are fine as they are you must be kidding me or maybe I am just daft or something for not understanding your point. Regards Who said that the mechanics are fine? If I did, I apologize. Clone packs obviously don't work as intended. That should be the first change. It generates too much ISK. Lower that too. Eve OBs are too powerful, shouldn't get as many per match. I was in a fleet with you a while back when Public Disorder was still a thing. You seemed to be a cool dude. What is your honest take on PC? Do you like it that so few participate? Do you like it that it's so easy for so few to dominate it? If you still won 90% of your fights, but there was participation from even 20% of the community wouldn't that be more fun? Do you feel that a Dust corp full of non PC players have the ability to participate in PC with these mechanics? I don't believe that's the case. I don't think we have the tools available for non PC players to navigate the steep learning curve. Even if they were 1v1 highly skilled slayers I don't think the strategies and tactics would click with them by the time they threw in the towel. I miss the days when Imps and others like them were aholes on the forums, but you could tell they cared about the future of the game. I think this will work out for the community as a whole long term. The whiners and guys with bad forum meta guys will all quit. CCP will eventually make PC more accessible. We plan to designate a portion of Molden Heath for corps that actually show up and want to fight, so those guys will still have action.
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 696	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:58:00 - [85] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? im rely not backing anyone here on PC until Null sec or calling anyone out on cheating at dust or anything about how CPM got to be or how they work in the land of RL ! just wanted to point something out for you and everyone and to remind CCP of pass mess up,s they did in eve that even to this day most eve players still want in at putting a nail or getting to swing the hammer ones to help drive in a nail into a hand of all devs of CCP on the topic of Icelanding for B.O.B. more info or the new one that's going around ! look CCP,s track record on Fair play is not the best so as a Eve player im not shocked that "IF" CCP was using the CPM fake the new players we Eve players call "DUST BUNNY'S" into thinking there word means something and "IF" so or not may have lead to where CCP may have help in some way in PC so be it . what im saying is as a vet I cant say no and back CCP that they Did not Cheat ! Nor can I back anyone that they Did Cheat. as we have seen in the pass CCP makes mistakes that may have been just do to one dev or a team of dev,s. but keep in mined not to out rite blame CCP for just anything that gos wrong with your in game fun "even tho its so fun to do so" Sometimes its the Players fault like when Everything said as you log in to Eve "Jita it BURNING DONT LOG IN CARE BEARS " or " GOONS PISSED OFF AT EVE DONT GO MINING IN HI SEC !" and the player still logs in and gets blown up and stuff they then run to CCP for help and are turned down or go rite to saying "the only way _____ was if CCP helped them! " but as a Vet player of eve and dust 514 i wish you all luck in when it comes to Player vs Everything or in eve we call it Everything vsing Everything PC,s is not fun its for the try hard willing to take them self's up to the top of the heavens or be shot down by god him self if not by anyone els . if you fail its may have been your own Fault It even may have been CCP just not loving you as mush. unless there is proof somewhere to show no one can help but like in eve IF CCP had help IF did cheat The PLAYERS WILL fined out ! as for the CPM you where not put there by the players ! you may have your hearts set on making the game better and helping the players of the game but no madder what you do you WILL not be as loved as if you where voted in by the PLAYERS . you guys can,t fix everything i get that . but the fact your corp,s are in PC will always seem wrong. as part of the CPM the players Toon should be locked from all battles not just PC. your there to tell CCP what the players in mass want you to say and go off of better your judgment on whats fair for everyone in game. why i believe the toon of the CPM should be lock is to keep the fist hand account what mostly is one sided views out.* if the CPM loved LAV,s to much or hated a corp or players pvp only makes it harder for them to do the rite thing* the CPM is there so CCP do,s not need to get to closes to the players that they may start to cheat and the CPM should stay out of Player vs player battles so that there own views dont over ride what the players in mass want the CPM to say or ask for. like i said be for im not with anyone here its just the fact is CCP has a past of one sided game play and how the game is there's lots of One sided game play so no one should be shocked if "IF" someone drop the ball or is just but hurt . im just no madder how may E-mails or skype calls i get im not taking aside in this i just hope it dont kill the game i been waiting for sense 2001 when i was watching a video called Avalon Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5391	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:33:00 - [86] - Quote In all fairness if you're in PC youre most likely a FoTM chasing **** with no gun game. Loads Gallente assault rifle and Ion Pistol in his Gallente Assault *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 45	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:47:00 - [87] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: In all fairness if you're in PC youre most likely a FoTM chasing **** with no gun game. Loads Gallente assault rifle and Ion Pistol in his Gallente Assault Iv been cutting down batches in cqc with the laser rifle, you gallente scumbag. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 493	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:17:00 - [88] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: team players/nyian san and AE calling everyone else FOTM chasing carebears? all credability lost right there. So fiddle representing nyain and AE now? Where you read that? I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Patrick57 6222	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:20:00 - [89] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Dont you mean you just all blued up instead? Cant call if a fight if you are all hugging each other This.
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3117	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:51:00 - [90] - Quote low genius wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: And now we see Kains slaves come running to his aid. How cute. because kain runs dns? you guys live in a make believe world. Exactly, DNSBlack is the head of the alliance. I'm just the head of DNS Dust side operations. Fiddle is one of the primary Eve-Dust liaisons. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news

Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1534	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:54:00 - [91] - Quote Kain and Dem got you high off bullshit. Open your eyes and ask questions. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1412	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:05:00 - [92] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: low genius wrote: M1tch Rapp wrote: low genius wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: What is stopping people from fighting back? balls level 5 How about ISK level 10000 isk makes no difference. people spend their isk foolishly, and anyone can make isk non stop wearing free suits. if you want to be rich, run cheap. There is literally ZERO chance that any corp outside of the donut would be able to take a district from the donut using clone packs. When I say ZERO that might be seen as an exaggeration but it's not. Even if you were able to win 3 consecutive battles with clone packs you are talking about 108 million ISK per district. Now take your pick from what district will 300 clones be immediately sent from to take it back. There's a reason that PC slowly ran off 90% of the people that participated in it from day 1. there is a reason. that's not it, though. if you've got the players to cover a pc match you can put together 108 million isk in 3 days of sessions. that doesn't seem unreasonable to me. the isk in dust isn't real. it doesn't matter how much or how little you have. any player can make 10 mil a week playing casually in suits that cost less than 20,000 isk. if you've got a team that's dedicated to the concept, you're talking about a lot of money from just playing pick up matches. if you think these guys who own molden heath are getting rich, you're crazy. they're spending money like it's make-believe (which it is).
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1412	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:06:00 - [93] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: low genius wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: And now we see Kains slaves come running to his aid. How cute. because kain runs dns? you guys live in a make believe world. Exactly, DNSBlack is the head of the alliance. I'm just the head of DNS Dust side operations. Fiddle is one of the primary Eve-Dust liaisons. lol. is that the short list?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1412	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:07:00 - [94] - Quote Arirana wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: team players/nyian san and AE calling everyone else FOTM chasing carebears? all credability lost right there. So fiddle representing nyain and AE now? Where you read that? that's certainly not the case.
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3117	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:21:00 - [95] - Quote For those complaining the community is going to be boxed out of PC there is a reason that I have left Fittaken untouched and I am moving to add additional corps to Thunderdome. Those two planets alone represent a total of more than half the number of corps that participated in PC even at it's peak when there were around 50 corps in PC. If you want to go gripe in a corner fine. If you want to get a spot on PFC or T-dome hit me up and I can get squared away and ensure your involvement in PC. If the demand continues to be high after PFC and Thunderdome are filled creating other community areas will be considered, but setting up T-dome is the first priority. This doesn't change the fact that Planetary Conquest has many flaws that need to be addressed: clone packs being too small, to much ISK coming from passive generation, the snowball effect of having more districts than your opponent. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4525	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:24:00 - [96] - Quote low genius wrote: Kain Spero wrote: low genius wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: And now we see Kains slaves come running to his aid. How cute. because kain runs dns? you guys live in a make believe world. Exactly, DNSBlack is the head of the alliance. I'm just the head of DNS Dust side operations. Fiddle is one of the primary Eve-Dust liaisons. lol. is that the short list? Oooooooh fight! Fight! Fight! Pull his hair
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Proficiency V. 838	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:16:00 - [97] - Quote Kain won DUST but GTA won meta. Why? Because of that Kain and Kujo cough cough "meeting" exposed. DUST BRASIL S.A (DBSA) *DIRECTOR* We have ringers available (Contact: Sadashi or Necandi Brasil)
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1280	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:20:00 - [98] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kudos to Molon for actually trying to fight back first off. . Just wanted to say thanks for this. We did try our best, but it wasn't enough. Had some close battles mixed in there, really felt like we improved since the last time PC was active. But alas district locking, and other things led to us getting rusty or whatever. We will be back, cant argue that having PC fights to log on for is what this game is all about, and win/lose or draw they are fun for sure. o7
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1418	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:55:00 - [99] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: low genius wrote: beta characters will run this game, just like they run eve online. if you think we're not going to work hard to get as many beta characters in our alliance as possible, you're crazy. EVERYONE is trying to get the most talent available under their banner, right? what other choice is there? to let personal feelings get in the way of business? that's bad business. eve is serious business. You can put on your big boy pants and have some actual competition or you can continue to sit on the bench watch the varsity team whip the crap out of the JV squad and pat yourself on the back about how good and/or smart you are for being on such an awesome team. To continue with the sports analogy, leagues have a salary cap to keep things competitive because when one team wins all the time it is bad for everybody in the sport as a whole. Less people watch, less revenue is generated, and if it goes bad enough the league folds. perhaps your mistake is thinking a high-school outlook on a business is worthwhile. anyone who believes the stories told on the forums as to how this came to be, or how dns. recruited the corps that it did is insane. I've not seen even a little bit of real information in here. and I know something about it. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 958	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:11:00 - [100] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: This doesn't change the fact that Planetary Conquest has many flaws that need to be addressed: clone packs being too small, to much ISK coming from passive generation, the snowball effect of having more districts than your opponent. I could not agree more. However, as a member of the leadership benefiting directly from this imbalance, I'm sure you're smart enough to realize that there is a perceived conflict of interest between the problem and pushing for the solution. In hopes of clearing things up in this regard: Looking past PFC/Thunderdome, what do you suggest are the solutions, and what are you doing to correct them? Thanks in advance for your reply...Leadfoot

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 959	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:19:00 - [101] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? Tell us, how much ISK does your corp pay you every week/month from the gains they get from PC? I'm not necessarily suggesting you're wrong -- tbh, cying to devs to undo a situation is the wrong way to go about it -- but I am suggesting there may be millions and millions of reasons you feel this way. lol @ "FOTM chasing carebears". That's cute, but smacks of hypocrisy to me. Respectfully....Leadfoot Kudos to Molon for actually trying to fight back first off. As for me, I decline to take profit except for covering operational expenses and a small amount to cover the massive ISK I lose running proto in pubs constantly. On the whole, I lose a few million each week (that I stockpiled during the TP days) and about 50 million eve isk a week. FOTM wise the only thing I use that is cheesy is cloak right now. If you look at my build, there is probably less than 1% that use anything similar to what I am doing right now. I'm having a blast with it though. First off, thanks for the kind words. For some reason, people like to deride and demean us, and I appreciate you recognizing that all we are doing is trying and having fun in the process. Beyond that, I accept your answer on a personal level (and respect you for doing so!) but I do have a follow up question: What % of the players in DNS and associated corps do the same as you and refuse the ISK? I would wager it is a VERY small percentage (and the sums changing hands are very large -- for instance, I know of once instance of payments of 20M ISK per week), but in truth I really don't know, and thus the question. Again, thanks for the kind words -- it's always nice to be respected by your competition, particularity one that beats up on us with the frequency of TP. :) Take care...Leadfoot
Rusty Shallows 1299	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:27:00 - [102] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Also your district locking abuse is by far the worst isk-farming operation in Dust right now. So it's kinda fun seeing how you condemn others for wanting to farm Many of you just simply don't understand. If the enemy teams is running the FOTM, than the best counter is to do the same. And with that district locking, yeah DDB did that, and then stopped to prove a point, losing many of our districts in the process. The point is, you can't PC if you can't make money off your district, so if the enemy is doing it, you have to do it as well. Yes unfortunate, but some of us actually want what you want. A more free and open PC! Absent of the bullshit! Mr Gan. Why are you injecting a serious topic? This thread is about anger and ePeens. I strongly request you use less intellect and more troll inside these threads. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 650	Posted - 2014.03.28 23:34:00 - [103] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? Tell us, how much ISK does your corp pay you every week/month from the gains they get from PC? I'm not necessarily suggesting you're wrong -- tbh, cying to devs to undo a situation is the wrong way to go about it -- but I am suggesting there may be millions and millions of reasons you feel this way. lol @ "FOTM chasing carebears". That's cute, but smacks of hypocrisy to me. Respectfully....Leadfoot Kudos to Molon for actually trying to fight back first off. As for me, I decline to take profit except for covering operational expenses and a small amount to cover the massive ISK I lose running proto in pubs constantly. On the whole, I lose a few million each week (that I stockpiled during the TP days) and about 50 million eve isk a week. FOTM wise the only thing I use that is cheesy is cloak right now. If you look at my build, there is probably less than 1% that use anything similar to what I am doing right now. I'm having a blast with it though. First off, thanks for the kind words. For some reason, people like to deride and demean us, and I appreciate you recognizing that all we are doing is trying and having fun in the process. Beyond that, I accept your answer on a personal level (and respect you for doing so!) but I do have a follow up question: What % of the players in DNS and associated corps do the same as you and refuse the ISK? I would wager it is a VERY small percentage (and the sums changing hands are very large -- for instance, I know of once instance of payments of 20M ISK per week), but in truth I really don't know, and thus the question. Again, thanks for the kind words -- it's always nice to be respected by your competition, particularity one that beats up on us with the frequency of TP. :) Take care...Leadfoot To answer your question: Not many :D. We like to role play our mercenary thing. DNS Dust is a bunch of RP wannabes.


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