DUST Search - Stop trying to forum meta your way out of this. YOU lost PC.

Fiddlestaxp wrote:

Piraten Hovnoret wrote:

WTF are we talking about?

Do anyone regardless of who you are or what corp you defend believe that the current PC situation is fun?
Farming isk is that fun? In what way is it fun to make make belive money in a make believe world?
Do you go to your RL friends bragging how mutch isk you have?

I just want to have a good fight and PC atm is a big jawn fest. I don't care if I win or loose I just want to have good fights that last more than 10 min.

You are not in your right mind regardless on what side of the fence you are at to defend the current PC game mechanics.

I have no problem in saying that AE/NYAN/ESCROW and others are the best PC corps out there and I commend you for it.
However if you think things are fine as they are you must be kidding me or maybe I am just daft or something for not understanding your point.

Regards

Who said that the mechanics are fine?
If I did, I apologize.
Clone packs obviously don't work as intended. That should be the first change.
It generates too much ISK. Lower that too.
Eve OBs are too powerful, shouldn't get as many per match.


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M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 11	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:06:00 - [1] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: None of that is my point. All this was possible since day 1. The only thing that prevented it in the last 6 months was a mutual distrust between our side and AE. Recently we have proven that we can have honorable relations, so here we are. Meanwhile in that 6 months, ONE team(FA) has stepped up to be able to compete. The relative SP gap isn't that large any more... What is your excuse now? Kane Spero is actually a pretty honorable dude. Every time I come up with a scheme to scam PFC out of some isk, he declines. Every time I figure out a way to follow the letter of a contract but not the spirit, he refuses. Okay I'll play, How many team deploy/corp battle matches have you participated in in comparison to the average Dust player? I've been in quite a few and I'll be the first to admit that Molon Labe hasn't performed well against the higher tier corps, but then NOBODY has. As mentioned before FA is the only corp to really break through, but let's not pretend that FA's teams are made up of players that came out of nowhere. It's not like Pheonix Federation went to school and studied the maps, trained hard, and started beating people like bosses. FA's teams earned their experience fighting in PC's with their former corps. Those that didn't had plenty of people with experience to square them away. I don't think you'll find anybody out there that won't give props for the players in the donut and their skill. I don't think you'll find anybody out there that will fail to admit that you guys won PC. I also don't think that anybody can look at the state of things and have a warm, fuzzy feeling about the future if it stays the way it currently is. CCP doesn't promote squad/team play AT ALL to the average player in Dust. Hell the ISK incentives in pub matches have turned Dust pub matches into boring ass snoozefests. Unless something MAJOR is done in that area then the donut is going to be printing ISK for a long time waiting for the overall Dust skill level to provide any competition. I just wish Roman, Fiddle, and Free Bears would quite acting like this was some competitive strategy to overtake some common enemy. You guys were the only ones that could fight each other and it not end in a redline within a few minutes. If that's what you want out of Dust, why bother continuing to play at all?
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 13	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:17:00 - [2] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Kaughst wrote: ...You don't think that stretching the limits of PC in that way will not force CCP to change the mechanics so that large alliances can not do this again? Think about it...Any time a weapon or mechanic was overused CCP addressed it. No problems can be addressed unless they stressed tested by the community. PC was never meant to be this way, something will change and it will be to the credit of all the players that took over Molden Heath. Things will change, so yes, keep voicing your opinion about it but don't hate the player hate the game... This is the most bullsh*t excuse for exploitation. It is used often, but is basically the same as any criminal saying, "Hey guys, buy robbing banks I'm actually making you all hav BETTER security! I'm actually the good guy here, because the police and CEOs just gave you the ILLUSION of security. I should be able to keep all of your money because of my helpful service!" I actually agree with them. I think it's the only way it will change. The problem is that such a small percentage of the community understands the dynamics of PC.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 24	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:15:00 - [3] - Quote low genius wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing? It doesn't need to be opened up. It already enjoys paltry participation from the community. The problem is that the mechanics allow for small groups to completely dominate it. Opening it up more districts with the same mechanics only leads to more ISK in the donut's pocket.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 29	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:38:00 - [4] - Quote low genius wrote: M1tch Rapp wrote: low genius wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing? It doesn't need to be opened up. It already enjoys paltry participation from the community. The problem is that the mechanics allow for small groups to completely dominate it. Opening it up more districts with the same mechanics only leads to more ISK in the donut's pocket. as a player who has eve support you should know better. if they open up syndicate (for instance, a region that is 20 jumps away by shortest route) then it will be almost impossible for the same pilots to cover those two regions. it's a logistical nightmare. Eve support matters not in the current situation. The problem is the concentration of talent in the donut. They have twice the number of A teams necessary to dominate MH. AE and NS could have taken over with all the districts they had BEFORE the donut formed, they just didn't want to have to stop playing their PS4s to do it.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 30	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:39:00 - [5] - Quote low genius wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: What is stopping people from fighting back? balls level 5 How about ISK level 10000
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 33	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:50:00 - [6] - Quote low genius wrote: M1tch Rapp wrote: low genius wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: What is stopping people from fighting back? balls level 5 How about ISK level 10000 isk makes no difference. people spend their isk foolishly, and anyone can make isk non stop wearing free suits. if you want to be rich, run cheap. There is literally ZERO chance that any corp outside of the donut would be able to take a district from the donut using clone packs. When I say ZERO that might be seen as an exaggeration but it's not. Even if you were able to win 3 consecutive battles with clone packs you are talking about 108 million ISK per district. Now take your pick from what district will 300 clones be immediately sent from to take it back. There's a reason that PC slowly ran off 90% of the people that participated in it from day 1.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 37	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:41:00 - [7] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: WTF are we talking about? Do anyone regardless of who you are or what corp you defend believe that the current PC situation is fun? Farming isk is that fun? In what way is it fun to make make belive money in a make believe world? Do you go to your RL friends bragging how mutch isk you have? I just want to have a good fight and PC atm is a big jawn fest. I don't care if I win or loose I just want to have good fights that last more than 10 min. You are not in your right mind regardless on what side of the fence you are at to defend the current PC game mechanics. I have no problem in saying that AE/NYAN/ESCROW and others are the best PC corps out there and I commend you for it. However if you think things are fine as they are you must be kidding me or maybe I am just daft or something for not understanding your point. Regards Who said that the mechanics are fine? If I did, I apologize. Clone packs obviously don't work as intended. That should be the first change. It generates too much ISK. Lower that too. Eve OBs are too powerful, shouldn't get as many per match. I was in a fleet with you a while back when Public Disorder was still a thing. You seemed to be a cool dude. What is your honest take on PC? Do you like it that so few participate? Do you like it that it's so easy for so few to dominate it? If you still won 90% of your fights, but there was participation from even 20% of the community wouldn't that be more fun? Do you feel that a Dust corp full of non PC players have the ability to participate in PC with these mechanics? I don't believe that's the case. I don't think we have the tools available for non PC players to navigate the steep learning curve. Even if they were 1v1 highly skilled slayers I don't think the strategies and tactics would click with them by the time they threw in the towel. I miss the days when Imps and others like them were aholes on the forums, but you could tell they cared about the future of the game.