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ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 382	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:58:00 - [31] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: 'lols' alround guys! Fiddle, im glad your posting here, because your EVE record would get you laughed out of here rather sharpish. ~SNIP~ I don't know of any DUST players that could PVP there way out of a wet paper bag in EVE. Though having said that, right now the incentive nor the connection between the two games really even warrants people trying. Hell IF that day ever comes, hit me up as I will happily blast some dust / eve fools down for the right price. (I consider myself a reasonable PVPer in EVE but certainly NOT one of the best for sure.)
Phaize Kilrathi Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 62	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:59:00 - [32] - Quote . GûæGûæGöîGöÇGöÇGöÉGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGöîGöÇGöÇGöÉGûæGûæ GûæGòöGòíGûÉGûÉGòPGò¥GûæGûæGöîGöÇGöÇGöÉGûæGûæGòöGòíGûÉGûÉGòPGò¥Gûæ GûæGûæGööGòÑGòÑGöÿGûæGûæGòÜGòíGûîGûîGòPGòùGûæGûæGööGòÑGòÑGöÿGûæGûæ GûæGûæGûæGòÜGòÜGûæGûæGûæGûæGööGòÑGòÑGöÿGûæGûæGûæGûæGòÜGòÜGûæGûæGûæ GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGò¥Gò¥GûæGûæGûæ Put signature here
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2246	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:59:00 - [33] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: What is stopping people from fighting back? several things first is the fact that any time you attack any of these districts you will have exactly 120 clones, this costs your corp 30 million, they will defend with 450 clones. in short you can't hope to win in a single attack. next you have experience, most corps can't get pc practice or even practice fighting as a corp, while AE and many others can get all the practice they want via the pc attacks they have. finnally and most improtantly once you take a district you are in the middle of an alliances territory where every single district is controlled by the enemy alliance, they can attack you every day every time until they win with no threat of loses on their part.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1115	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:01:00 - [34] - Quote calisk galern wrote: yes AE and the rest "won" pc, eventually something might change but I would expect it any time soon, as mentioned by many they can just sit and enjoy isk without playing the game, most eve players prefer this. the Nyan alliance are eve players and isk sellers so this is the prefered situation. the situation is easily resolved by opening up more and more districts for players to fight over, it's quite reasonable for a large alliance to control a sector of space, the problem is we don't have any other sectors to fight over. The problem is that the passive ISK allows these people to make the rest of the game absolute crap for every other player because all there is to do is pubs, FW, and PC. If the ISK farming that goes on in PC didn't allow the rich kids to drive off new players and generally make pubs and FW miserable to play I wouldn't give a f*ck about who rules Molden Heath. But the fact is CCP designed an artificial economic system within this game that is simply not good for the long term sustainability of the game. Short term it may make them some money from Aurum, but long term vets leave stagnant boring games so you need incoming players most of which are not going to stick around to be the whipping boys for the PC farmers Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 361	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:11:00 - [35] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: calisk galern wrote: yes AE and the rest "won" pc, eventually something might change but I would expect it any time soon, as mentioned by many they can just sit and enjoy isk without playing the game, most eve players prefer this. the Nyan alliance are eve players and isk sellers so this is the prefered situation. the situation is easily resolved by opening up more and more districts for players to fight over, it's quite reasonable for a large alliance to control a sector of space, the problem is we don't have any other sectors to fight over. The problem is that the passive ISK allows these people to make the rest of the game absolute crap for every other player because all there is to do is pubs, FW, and PC. If the ISK farming that goes on in PC didn't allow the rich kids to drive off new players and generally make pubs and FW miserable to play I wouldn't give a f*ck about who rules Molden Heath. But the fact is CCP designed an artificial economic system within this game that is simply not good for the long term sustainability of the game. Short term it may make them some money from Aurum, but long term vets leave stagnant boring games so you need incoming players most of which are not going to stick around to be the whipping boys for the PC farmers You don't think that stretching the limits of PC in that way will not force CCP to change the mechanics so that large alliances can not do this again? Think about it...Any time a weapon or mechanic was overused CCP addressed it. No problems can be addressed unless they stressed tested by the community. PC was never meant to be this way, something will change and it will be to the credit of all the players that took over Molden Heath. Things will change, so yes, keep voicing your opinion about it but don't hate the player hate the game. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 305	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:19:00 - [36] - Quote Sorry fuckbucket but we actually won PC back in August last year. The losers are you sad cunts who act like its relevant.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2246	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:20:00 - [37] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Sorry fuckbucket but we actually won PC back in August last year. The losers are you sad cunts who act like its relevant. the fact that you troll on an alt loses some if not all of the point you are trying to make. when I troll I do it to your face and I don't hide the fact that i'm the one doing it.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 11	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:06:00 - [38] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: None of that is my point. All this was possible since day 1. The only thing that prevented it in the last 6 months was a mutual distrust between our side and AE. Recently we have proven that we can have honorable relations, so here we are. Meanwhile in that 6 months, ONE team(FA) has stepped up to be able to compete. The relative SP gap isn't that large any more... What is your excuse now? Kane Spero is actually a pretty honorable dude. Every time I come up with a scheme to scam PFC out of some isk, he declines. Every time I figure out a way to follow the letter of a contract but not the spirit, he refuses. Okay I'll play, How many team deploy/corp battle matches have you participated in in comparison to the average Dust player? I've been in quite a few and I'll be the first to admit that Molon Labe hasn't performed well against the higher tier corps, but then NOBODY has. As mentioned before FA is the only corp to really break through, but let's not pretend that FA's teams are made up of players that came out of nowhere. It's not like Pheonix Federation went to school and studied the maps, trained hard, and started beating people like bosses. FA's teams earned their experience fighting in PC's with their former corps. Those that didn't had plenty of people with experience to square them away. I don't think you'll find anybody out there that won't give props for the players in the donut and their skill. I don't think you'll find anybody out there that will fail to admit that you guys won PC. I also don't think that anybody can look at the state of things and have a warm, fuzzy feeling about the future if it stays the way it currently is. CCP doesn't promote squad/team play AT ALL to the average player in Dust. Hell the ISK incentives in pub matches have turned Dust pub matches into boring ass snoozefests. Unless something MAJOR is done in that area then the donut is going to be printing ISK for a long time waiting for the overall Dust skill level to provide any competition. I just wish Roman, Fiddle, and Free Bears would quite acting like this was some competitive strategy to overtake some common enemy. You guys were the only ones that could fight each other and it not end in a redline within a few minutes. If that's what you want out of Dust, why bother continuing to play at all?
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2308	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:14:00 - [39] - Quote Kaughst wrote: ...You don't think that stretching the limits of PC in that way will not force CCP to change the mechanics so that large alliances can not do this again? Think about it...Any time a weapon or mechanic was overused CCP addressed it. No problems can be addressed unless they stressed tested by the community. PC was never meant to be this way, something will change and it will be to the credit of all the players that took over Molden Heath. Things will change, so yes, keep voicing your opinion about it but don't hate the player hate the game... This is the most bullsh*t excuse for exploitation. It is used often, but is basically the same as any criminal saying, "Hey guys, by robbing banks I'm actually making you all have BETTER security! I'm actually the good guy here, because the police and CEOs just gave you the ILLUSION of security. I should be able to keep all of your money because of my helpful service!" The criminal can always find a way to outsmart the citizen (customer) and the government (vendor). But it is not anyone's duty to BREAK that social contract between the two. That isn't what makes society/community better. Yes... it is just a game... Can Kain make the case that he 'honorably' maintained his position as CPM0? No.
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 13	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:17:00 - [40] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Kaughst wrote: ...You don't think that stretching the limits of PC in that way will not force CCP to change the mechanics so that large alliances can not do this again? Think about it...Any time a weapon or mechanic was overused CCP addressed it. No problems can be addressed unless they stressed tested by the community. PC was never meant to be this way, something will change and it will be to the credit of all the players that took over Molden Heath. Things will change, so yes, keep voicing your opinion about it but don't hate the player hate the game... This is the most bullsh*t excuse for exploitation. It is used often, but is basically the same as any criminal saying, "Hey guys, buy robbing banks I'm actually making you all hav BETTER security! I'm actually the good guy here, because the police and CEOs just gave you the ILLUSION of security. I should be able to keep all of your money because of my helpful service!" I actually agree with them. I think it's the only way it will change. The problem is that such a small percentage of the community understands the dynamics of PC.

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2308	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:28:00 - [41] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Kaughst wrote: ...You don't think that stretching the limits of PC in that way will not force CCP to change the mechanics so that large alliances can not do this again? Think about it...Any time a weapon or mechanic was overused CCP addressed it. No problems can be addressed unless they stressed tested by the community. PC was never meant to be this way, something will change and it will be to the credit of all the players that took over Molden Heath. Things will change, so yes, keep voicing your opinion about it but don't hate the player hate the game... This is the most bullsh*t excuse for exploitation. It is used often, but is basically the same as any criminal saying, "Hey guys, buy robbing banks I'm actually making you all hav BETTER security! I'm actually the good guy here, because the police and CEOs just gave you the ILLUSION of security. I should be able to keep all of your money because of my helpful service!" I actually agree with them. I think it's the only way it will change. The problem is that such a small percentage of the community understands the dynamics of PC. No! If we are both arguing that the CPM has knowledge of upcoming PC 2.0 AND that the Blue Donus Coalition are exploiting the current environment at the expense of valuable oppotunities for smaller corps to get PC experience without paying the clone-pack premiums, then you can't ALSO argue that "this is the only way it was going to change." We know two things right now... A) CPM knew about initial frameworks for PC 1.now that never really worked itself out. B) CPM knows a bit about upcoming PC 2.0. More than anyone, the CPM would be able to monitor and give input about the progression of PC as designed. Knowing A would demonstrate a faith in the potential to develop products to build PC content. Knowing B would represent the future of what is coming. If you know ^^B^^ is coming, you CANT also argue that "BLUELINING Molden Heath HAD to happen in order to change things." You knew change was coming in the first place. Your options were to: 1) Be good sports, and capitalize on the moral high ground of 'good sportsmanship' while struggling to defend a significantly large chunk of space. or 2) Blue-line Molden Heath - and claim the cultural victory at the expense of the community's cheap and fair experience of the 'end--game'.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 366	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:29:00 - [42] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? Tell us, how much ISK does your corp pay you every week/month from the gains they get from PC? I'm not necessarily suggesting you're wrong -- tbh, cying to devs to undo a situation is the wrong way to go about it -- but I am suggesting there may be millions and millions of reasons you feel this way. lol @ "FOTM chasing carebears". That's cute, but smacks of hypocrisy to me. Respectfully....Leadfoot Kudos to Molon for actually trying to fight back first off. As for me, I decline to take profit except for covering operational expenses and a small amount to cover the massive ISK I lose running proto in pubs constantly. On the whole, I lose a few million each week (that I stockpiled during the TP days) and about 50 million eve isk a week. FOTM wise the only thing I use that is cheesy is cloak right now. If you look at my build, there is probably less than 1% that use anything similar to what I am doing right now. I'm having a blast with it though. FOTM care bears farming ISK and then you state that you use ISK from PC to run proto in pubs. That's just hilarious. Because, that's why.
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 362	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:32:00 - [43] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Kaughst wrote: ...You don't think that stretching the limits of PC in that way will not force CCP to change the mechanics so that large alliances can not do this again? Think about it...Any time a weapon or mechanic was overused CCP addressed it. No problems can be addressed unless they stressed tested by the community. PC was never meant to be this way, something will change and it will be to the credit of all the players that took over Molden Heath. Things will change, so yes, keep voicing your opinion about it but don't hate the player hate the game... This is the most bullsh*t excuse for exploitation. It is used often, but is basically the same as any criminal saying, "Hey guys, by robbing banks I'm actually making you all have BETTER security! I'm actually the good guy here, because the police and CEOs just gave you the ILLUSION of security. I should be able to keep all of your money because of my helpful service!" The criminal can always find a way to outsmart the citizen (customer) and the government (vendor). But it is not anyone's duty to BREAK that social contract between the two. That isn't what makes society/community better. Yes... it is just a game... Can Kain make the case that he 'honorably' maintained his position as CPM0? No. Don't compare a bank robbery to a bunch of people working together to go control a virtual space you do a disservice to everyone who died or was hurt by those events. People don't need an excuse to take over Molden Heath, the game encourages people to take over the Universe and the players decide that either individually or collectively. What they receive out of controlling that space and how you can go about it is up to CCP to decide. Nothing stops a alliance in the future from controlling Molden Heath or other vast tracks of land...besides that there is more than one region in lowsec and entire regions in null sec. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4816	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:35:00 - [44] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: DNS owns 79% of MH I give if another week before we own 100% of everything outside of PFC and Thunderdome planet lol Wow it really is hilarious how you all are trying to ruin this game! But like most human beings you'll just selfishly think only of yourselves, fck up the ecosystem and then move on. So what game are you pricks moving to after Dust dies because no new players come in because of protostomping douchebags with unlimited ISK from PC and all us vets get sick of the same old stale game you are helping to create? So I can avoid playing it Tell me, what exactly has changed in pub matches since DNS has taken over? ...... NOTHING! doesn't matter who runs PC. Doesn't matter if everyone in PC is fighting instead of blueing up. It doesn't affect pubs in the slightest. So get out of here with your "Unlimited proto stomping" BS! Proto stomping will continue whether there is PC or not. Also this is New Eden. Aren't Eve players praised for trying to get total dominance? GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5* \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 44	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:39:00 - [45] - Quote When this game is worth grinding endlessly for isk, to fight people who have enough to beat you every time for the rest of dust then people will bother with PC but I can't ever see building toward inevitably loosing to be something that anyone would want to do, ever. Let's say that a corp accumulated 2 billion isk and was undeniably better than even the imps, any of the top corps could simply grind them until they have nothing anyway. So its loose or join. PC is done, gg CCP. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2308	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:48:00 - [46] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Kaughst wrote: ...You don't think that stretching the limits of PC in that way will not force CCP to change the mechanics so that large alliances can not do this again? Think about it...Any time a weapon or mechanic was overused CCP addressed it. No problems can be addressed unless they stressed tested by the community. PC was never meant to be this way, something will change and it will be to the credit of all the players that took over Molden Heath. Things will change, so yes, keep voicing your opinion about it but don't hate the player hate the game... This is the most bullsh*t excuse for exploitation. It is used often, but is basically the same as any criminal saying, "Hey guys, by robbing banks I'm actually making you all have BETTER security! I'm actually the good guy here, because the police and CEOs just gave you the ILLUSION of security. I should be able to keep all of your money because of my helpful service!" The criminal can always find a way to outsmart the citizen (customer) and the government (vendor). But it is not anyone's duty to BREAK that social contract between the two. That isn't what makes society/community better. Yes... it is just a game... Can Kain make the case that he 'honorably' maintained his position as CPM0? No. Don't compare a bank robbery to a bunch of people working together to go control a virtual space you do a disservice to everyone who died or was hurt by those events. People don't need an excuse to take over Molden Heath, the game encourages people to take over the Universe and the players decide that either individually or collectively. What they receive out of controlling that space and how you can go about it is up to CCP to decide. Nothing stops a alliance in the future from controlling Molden Heath or other vast tracks of land...besides that there is more than one region in lowsec and entire regions in null sec. No you didn't get my point. I'm not saying that what they did was robbery. I'm saying doing what they did and claiming that they are "doing everyone a favor" is pretty hypocritical. There are a lot of better ways they could have "done the game a favor". Yes, it would probably have been ALOT more work, but Blue-lining molden heath really only helps a few of us. Again, I'm not saying they weren't crafty or have poor players, they obviously have some of the best. I'm just saying they can't claim the "nice-guy-blue-donut-CEOs" title. My point about bank robbery is that you can have respect for the robber's craft, bravery, and his cleverness, but he is still screwing people.
Scheherazade VII 368	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:54:00 - [47] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Kane didn't do anything wrong. You lost because you didn't fight back when you had the chance. Stop being sissies, that is main reason why I enjoy boxing you out of PC. A majority of you are FOTM chasing carebears that want to have their isk and farm it too. Too scared to stand up for yourself and now you want the devs to hold your hand. Everything that we have done and are doing could have been accomplished CPM or not. I look at the starmap each night and attack everything that is online that isn't blue... You think I need CPM guidance to do that? the war room is thatta way --------->
Scheherazade VII 369	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:01:00 - [48] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: DNS owns 79% of MH I give if another week before we own 100% of everything outside of PFC and Thunderdome planet lol Wow it really is hilarious how you all are trying to ruin this game! But like most human beings you'll just selfishly think only of yourselves, fck up the ecosystem and then move on. So what game are you pricks moving to after Dust dies because no new players come in because of protostomping douchebags with unlimited ISK from PC and all us vets get sick of the same old stale game you are helping to create? So I can avoid playing it +1 that's how I feel, these people don't care, they're selfish. they take all the fun out of the game, they stomp on people relentessly and will happily redline and 5-cap people in sgtarter fits whilst they Q sync in proto gear just for the fact that they are not losing. I hate people like this, they obviously don't care about the game, they just want to milk it for all it's worth and the move on, whilst crapping on everybody they can. scum of the earth in my opinion, play fair. no specific person was mentioned here so calm your *** keyboard warriors.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2745	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:04:00 - [49] - Quote Brags about having their name on some stuff in a fundamentally broken system Expects to be taken seriously Face palm I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1784	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:07:00 - [50] - Quote The reality is this: Spero simply played the game brilliantly. Full stop. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2308	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:08:00 - [51] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: The reality is this: Spero simply played the game brilliantly. Full stop. So as a CPM1 candidate are you saying you would ALSO use inside information as the CPM to worm your way toward domination in the game?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1784	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:12:00 - [52] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: The reality is this: Spero simply played the game brilliantly. Full stop. So as a CPM1 candidate are you saying you would ALSO use inside information as the CPM to worm your way toward domination in the game? No, I'm stating that in no way does anything Spero did involve insider knowledge. Check your nearest district tracker and see how on-track my plans for domination are going, lol. My alliance has two districts. ;) I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1399	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:13:00 - [53] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1399	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:14:00 - [54] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Brags about having their name on some stuff in a fundamentally broken system Expects to be taken seriously Face palm anyone can blame a 'broken system' for their failures.
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 44	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:15:00 - [55] - Quote low genius wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing? Please explain how spreading a problem and making it bigger solves anything? "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 24	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:15:00 - [56] - Quote low genius wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing? It doesn't need to be opened up. It already enjoys paltry participation from the community. The problem is that the mechanics allow for small groups to completely dominate it. Opening it up more districts with the same mechanics only leads to more ISK in the donut's pocket.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1784	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:17:00 - [57] - Quote RendonaSix wrote: Please explain how spreading a problem and making it bigger solves anything? The worse the problem gets, the higher a priority it is for CCP to fix it. Exacerbating issues with the game to force CCP to pay attention to them is a time-honored EVE tradition, whether it suits your personal morals or not. I know in particular Goons went heavy on drone assist because they knew it was game-breakingly OP, and they wanted CCP to nerf it. By making it so widely used, they forced CCP to pay attention to the problem. (It has since, recently, been fixed.) M1tch Rapp wrote: It doesn't need to be opened up. It already enjoys paltry participation from the community. The problem is that the mechanics allow for small groups to completely dominate it. Opening it up more districts with the same mechanics only leads to more ISK in the donut's pocket. This is true. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1401	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:27:00 - [58] - Quote RendonaSix wrote: low genius wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing? Please explain how spreading a problem and making it bigger solves anything? molden heath is too small, and needs either more planets available, or a new region must be introduced. it will be very hard for even a large alliance to cover 2 regions of dust antics. the only way to get bigger battles in eve, was to bring bigger guys to the fight and crash the servers until ccp fixed it. it will be the same for planetary conquest. they'll have to make a bigger sandbox if we take their whole sandbox. don't act like the guys who run molden heath aren't the biggest proponents of dust in the game. we want dust to succeed as much as anyone, and we're willing to make the moves to make it happen. i'm sorry if it's inconvenient for you right now. we're working on your behalf.
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 44	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:30:00 - [59] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: RendonaSix wrote: Please explain how spreading a problem and making it bigger solves anything? The worse the problem gets, the higher a priority it is for CCP to fix it. Exacerbating issues with the game to force CCP to pay attention to them is a time-honored EVE tradition, whether it suits your personal morals or not. I know in particular Goons went heavy on drone assist because they knew it was game-breakingly OP, and they wanted CCP to nerf it. By making it so widely used, they forced CCP to pay attention to the problem. (It has since, recently, been fixed.) M1tch Rapp wrote: It doesn't need to be opened up. It already enjoys paltry participation from the community. The problem is that the mechanics allow for small groups to completely dominate it. Opening it up more districts with the same mechanics only leads to more ISK in the donut's pocket. This is true. Its just a shame they don't simply listen and watch what's happening, maybe they do that too much.........meh. If we got a player market though, anyone could easily play it and make a clone pack every half hour oir hour, then there'd be no isk disparity and in my eyes, no real issue other than 'wagh I'm not top dog'. I really think that if we had a player market then we could MAKE the isk rather than grind it in pubs, it'd be great. What do you think? As we know, PC isn't meant to be won but without a way to make isk and keep a corp going then it may as well be won and finished. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1401	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:31:00 - [60] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: low genius wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Evidently yes. Also the situation you have unfairly reached is rather alienating for the rest of the community. Monopoly is never a good thing. within new eden 'monopoly' is a way to force ccp to expand our universe. you guys think ccp is going to open up more planets or regions if we don't take the whole thing? It doesn't need to be opened up. It already enjoys paltry participation from the community. The problem is that the mechanics allow for small groups to completely dominate it. Opening it up more districts with the same mechanics only leads to more ISK in the donut's pocket. as a player who has eve support you should know better. if they open up syndicate (for instance, a region that is 20 jumps away by shortest route) then it will be almost impossible for the same pilots to cover those two regions. it's a logistical nightmare.



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