DUST Search - Stop trying to forum meta your way out of this. YOU lost PC.

Beren Hurin wrote:

Zahle Undt wrote:

low genius wrote:

beta characters will run this game, just like they run eve online. if you think we're not going to work hard to get as many beta characters in our alliance as possible, you're crazy. EVERYONE is trying to get the most talent available under their banner, right? what other choice is there? to let personal feelings get in the way of business?

that's bad business.

eve is serious business.

You can put on your big boy pants and have some actual competition or you can continue to sit on the bench watch the varsity team whip the crap out of the JV squad and pat yourself on the back about how good and/or smart you are for being on such an awesome team.

To continue with the sports analogy, leagues have a salary cap to keep things competitive because when one team wins all the time it is bad for everybody in the sport as a whole. Less people watch, less revenue is generated, and if it goes bad enough the league folds.

I think you are missing the point that people are continually making...using your sports analogy...

You guys are like the HUGE schools with the ginormous sports budgets bragging and laughing that the B teams in smaller schools just aren't up to your caliber.

1) It takes time in the specific challenges of PC to get good.
2) It takes isk to play enough times to really learn how to be that good. Pub matches don't train you for it.
3) It takes LOTs of time to get the isk to make that huge investment in your corp. Meanwhile, PC passively prints your that isk.
4) You aren't guaranteed any ROI once you take a district in the current PC environment. You would have to go around 20 days of uncontested clone production to buy back 100 million isk worth of invested clone packs.

Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.


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Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1114	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:53:00 - [1] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: DNS owns 79% of MH I give if another week before we own 100% of everything outside of PFC and Thunderdome planet lol Wow it really is hilarious how you all are trying to ruin this game! But like most human beings you'll just selfishly think only of yourselves, f*ck up the ecosystem and then move on. So what game are you pricks moving to after Dust dies because no new players come in because of protostomping douchebags with unlimited ISK from PC and all us vets get sick of the same old stale game you are helping to create? So I can avoid playing it Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1115	Posted - 2014.03.27 16:01:00 - [2] - Quote calisk galern wrote: yes AE and the rest "won" pc, eventually something might change but I would expect it any time soon, as mentioned by many they can just sit and enjoy isk without playing the game, most eve players prefer this. the Nyan alliance are eve players and isk sellers so this is the prefered situation. the situation is easily resolved by opening up more and more districts for players to fight over, it's quite reasonable for a large alliance to control a sector of space, the problem is we don't have any other sectors to fight over. The problem is that the passive ISK allows these people to make the rest of the game absolute crap for every other player because all there is to do is pubs, FW, and PC. If the ISK farming that goes on in PC didn't allow the rich kids to drive off new players and generally make pubs and FW miserable to play I wouldn't give a f*ck about who rules Molden Heath. But the fact is CCP designed an artificial economic system within this game that is simply not good for the long term sustainability of the game. Short term it may make them some money from Aurum, but long term vets leave stagnant boring games so you need incoming players most of which are not going to stick around to be the whipping boys for the PC farmers Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1122	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:01:00 - [3] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: DNS owns 79% of MH I give if another week before we own 100% of everything outside of PFC and Thunderdome planet lol Wow it really is hilarious how you all are trying to ruin this game! But like most human beings you'll just selfishly think only of yourselves, f*ck up the ecosystem and then move on. So what game are you pricks moving to after Dust dies because no new players come in because of protostomping douchebags with unlimited ISK from PC and all us vets get sick of the same old stale game you are helping to create? So I can avoid playing it Tell me, what exactly has changed in pub matches since DNS has taken over? ...... NOTHING! doesn't matter who runs PC. Doesn't matter if everyone in PC is fighting instead of blueing up. It doesn't affect pubs in the slightest. So get out of here with your "Unlimited proto stomping" BS! Proto stomping will continue whether there is PC or not. Also this is New Eden. Aren't Eve players praised for trying to get total dominance? Eve has a whole giant section of space that players don't dominate and there is more to do in Eve than PvP. Whenever one alliance controls PC it makes pubs and FW warfare less fun for those of us who either can't or refuse to go ball out running proto in those matches. Even if you guys in AE can afford to run proto in PC and out of it, many people in smaller or less elite corps who were also in PC could only afford to run their best stuff in PC or it at least gave them an outlet to run their best stuff. If you guys have PC all blued up, lets see where else can all those mid tier corps all play together and use their best stuff? FW and pubs. Its ultimately CCPs fault for having such a terribly implemented end game, but just because CCP built such an easily abusable system doesn't excuse you guys for taking advantage of it. If CCP gives me ways to generate ISK and SP where I can avoid dealing with you people, I don't give a shlt if you hold hands and sing kumbaya in Molden Heath forever There was much less protostomping in pubs before their was Dust 514 farmville Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1122	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:09:00 - [4] - Quote low genius wrote: beta characters will run this game, just like they run eve online. if you think we're not going to work hard to get as many beta characters in our alliance as possible, you're crazy. EVERYONE is trying to get the most talent available under their banner, right? what other choice is there? to let personal feelings get in the way of business? that's bad business. eve is serious business. You can put on your big boy pants and have some actual competition or you can continue to sit on the bench watch the varsity team whip the crap out of the JV squad and pat yourself on the back about how good and/or smart you are for being on such an awesome team. To continue with the sports analogy, leagues have a salary cap to keep things competitive because when one team wins all the time it is bad for everybody in the sport as a whole. Less people watch, less revenue is generated, and if it goes bad enough the league folds. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1124	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:49:00 - [5] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: low genius wrote: beta characters will run this game, just like they run eve online. if you think we're not going to work hard to get as many beta characters in our alliance as possible, you're crazy. EVERYONE is trying to get the most talent available under their banner, right? what other choice is there? to let personal feelings get in the way of business? that's bad business. eve is serious business. You can put on your big boy pants and have some actual competition or you can continue to sit on the bench watch the varsity team whip the crap out of the JV squad and pat yourself on the back about how good and/or smart you are for being on such an awesome team. To continue with the sports analogy, leagues have a salary cap to keep things competitive because when one team wins all the time it is bad for everybody in the sport as a whole. Less people watch, less revenue is generated, and if it goes bad enough the league folds. I think you are missing the point that people are continually making...using your sports analogy... You guys are like the HUGE schools with the ginormous sports budgets bragging and laughing that the B teams in smaller schools just aren't up to your caliber. 1) It takes time in the specific challenges of PC to get good. 2) It takes isk to play enough times to really learn how to be that good. Pub matches don't train you for it. 3) It takes LOTs of time to get the isk to make that huge investment in your corp. Meanwhile, PC passively prints your that isk. 4) You aren't guaranteed any ROI once you take a district in the current PC environment. You would have to go around 20 days of uncontested clone production to buy back 100 million isk worth of invested clone packs. You forgot the part where you need to skill into FotB PC worthy suit and weapon too. One of the things I hated about even playing PC is the lack of variety in suits and weapons and tactics found. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.