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shadow drake35 The Third Day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 82	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:48:00 - [1] - Quote up top will calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed is that right MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 133	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:51:00 - [2] - Quote shadow drake35 wrote: up top will calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed is that right I think it's like this: Cal = scan master Min = hacker/blademaster Gal = ghost (master baiter, if you will) Amarr = passed over That's it. My other dropsuit is a Python.
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 481	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:59:00 - [3] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: shadow drake35 wrote: up top will calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed is that right I think it's like this: Cal = scan master Min = hacker/blademaster Gal = ghost (master baiter, if you will) Amarr = passed over That's it. Amarr hasn't been passed over. It's the most assault out of them all! High HP with the ability to run around everyone. An Amarr done right is going to be bad ass! Gÿé Syeven 514 Application for CPM1
Robin Walkerr Maphia Clan Corporation 6	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:20:00 - [4] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: shadow drake35 wrote: up top will calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed is that right I think it's like this: Cal = scan master Min = hacker/blademaster Gal = ghost (master baiter, if you will) Amarr = passed over That's it. kinda agreeing with your plan... but as said Syeven Reed let's not declare totally dead the amarr so 3/4 agreeing
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8487	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:21:00 - [5] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: shadow drake35 wrote: up top will calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed is that right I think it's like this: Cal = scan master Min = hacker/blademaster Gal = ghost (master baiter, if you will) Amarr = passed over That's it. Amarr hasn't been passed over. It's the most assault out of them all! High HP with the ability to run around everyone. An Amarr done right is going to be bad ass! My question is why is it more assault? We already have an assault. Two if you could the Assault Logi we have. **** that. Amarr needs a Scout, not a light assault. Give me a reason we cannot have that like every other racial group in new eden. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 111	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:23:00 - [6] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: shadow drake35 wrote: up top will calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed is that right I think it's like this: Cal = scan master Min = hacker/blademaster Gal = ghost (master baiter, if you will) Amarr = passed over That's it. +1 for Master Baiter, made me chuckle. I can be so immature sometimes.
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 431	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:54:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: shadow drake35 wrote: up top will calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed is that right I think it's like this: Cal = scan master Min = hacker/blademaster Gal = ghost (master baiter, if you will) Amarr = passed over That's it. Amarr hasn't been passed over. It's the most assault out of them all! High HP with the ability to run around everyone. An Amarr done right is going to be bad ass! My question is why is it more assault? We already have an assault. Two if you could the Assault Logi we have. **** that. Amarr needs a Scout, not a light assault. Give me a reason we cannot have that like every other racial grouWp in new eden. with the weapons we have now in the game and your skills in drop suit upgrades playing a huge part in scout it's gonna effect what you choose. So if you have no electronics skills maxed pickin cal or gal will leave you at a disadvantage until you do, same with minmatar, if you have no hacking or shield or speed skills maxed, the amar is a battle scout. It's base HP is higher HP than most scouts run with mods. Basically it's the fighter and if your not good at being sneaky it has the stats to help you live cuz it can toe to toe better and has the stamina to reposition iself Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8490	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:58:00 - [8] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: True Adamance wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: shadow drake35 wrote: up top will calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed is that right I think it's like this: Cal = scan master Min = hacker/blademaster Gal = ghost (master baiter, if you will) Amarr = passed over That's it. Amarr hasn't been passed over. It's the most assault out of them all! High HP with the ability to run around everyone. An Amarr done right is going to be bad ass! My question is why is it more assault? We already have an assault. Two if you could the Assault Logi we have. **** that. Amarr needs a Scout, not a light assault. Give me a reason we cannot have that like every other racial grouWp in new eden. with the weapons we have now in the game and your skills in drop suit upgrades playing a huge part in scout it's gonna effect what you choose. So if you have no electronics skills maxed pickin cal or gal will leave you at a disadvantage until you do, same with minmatar, if you have no hacking or shield or speed skills maxed, the amar is a battle scout. It's base HP is higher HP than most scouts run with mods. Basically it's the fighter and if your not good at being sneaky it has the stats to help you live cuz it can toe to toe better and has the stamina to reposition iself Why is it the fighter? Why does it not truely adequately fulfil the role and design of a scout? If you were in my position looking at the scouts and you see calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed Do you not wonder why Amarr are getting marginalised into a race of assault suits? "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 826	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:01:00 - [9] - Quote Because the Amarr ARE fighters. They are SUPPOSED to stand toe-to-toe with things better than the other races. BTW, Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 299	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:03:00 - [10] - Quote amarr scout is a joke suit mainly for tryhard to bragging right. (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.

Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 879	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:06:00 - [11] - Quote Amarr isn't that great at fighting guys. People need to stop thinking this way. They get 30 more health than the Gal or Cal Scout. T-H-I-R-T-Y. You can up that to 37.5 with full on core skills. They also get the same exact slot loadout as the Gal scout, so any brick you put on the Amarr you can match on the Gal, guaranteed. So you have a scout that gets 37.5 more brick that runs slower. Ok, maybe that's a fine trade off. But also consider that the Gal Scout gets a permanent 3hp/s armor regen while Amarr does not. Why does the scout with the least shield, the slowest shield regen, the most armor, and no armor rep get to be called the "Warrior Scout"? Amarr's will be the ones hurting the most after an engagement, going to look for rep hives or a logi. Gal scouts, for just a little less HP get to heal to full every time, and are invisible enough to run away and hide. Cal scouts get the shield buffer, so if you don't damage their armor at all they will also heal to full rather quickly.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8491	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:16:00 - [12] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Because the Amarr ARE fighters. They are SUPPOSED to stand toe-to-toe with things better than the other races. BTW, Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer. That is not at all our racial design. Our racial design is endurance, this bonus reflects that, but in terms of in game balance the numbers do not stack up. But with only 30 more HP, less than one round, low speed, etc how do we stand up to them better? Amarr have almost all the same ship variants any other race does in EVE and are not necessarily designed more of less for combat. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 610	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:23:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Because the Amarr ARE fighters. They are SUPPOSED to stand toe-to-toe with things better than the other races. BTW, Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer. That is not at all our racial design. Our racial design is endurance, this bonus reflects that, but in terms of in game balance the numbers do not stack up. But with only 30 more HP, less than one round, low speed, etc how do we stand up to them better? Amarr have almost all the same ship variants any other race does in EVE and are not necessarily designed more of less for combat. In other words, "why are the amarr not the best at everything?" Quit the QQ. You have the best assault suit, the best CQC heavy, the single most important logi (uplinks), and now you are demanding the best scout? HTFU. Pro-fit Prophet "Gimme yo lunch money"
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1188	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:29:00 - [14] - Quote Ivan Avogadro wrote: Amarr isn't that great at fighting guys. People need to stop thinking this way. They get 30 more health than the Gal or Cal Scout. T-H-I-R-T-Y. You can up that to 37.5 with full on core skills. They also get the same exact slot loadout as the Gal scout, so any brick you put on the Amarr you can match on the Gal, guaranteed. So you have a scout that gets 37.5 more brick that runs slower. Ok, maybe that's a fine trade off. But also consider that the Gal Scout gets a permanent 3hp/s armor regen while Amarr does not. Why does the scout with the least shield, the slowest shield regen, the most armor, and no armor rep get to be called the "Warrior Scout"? Amarr's will be the ones hurting the most after an engagement, going to look for rep hives or a logi. Gal scouts, for just a little less HP get to heal to full every time, and are invisible enough to run away and hide. Cal scouts get the shield buffer, so if you don't damage their armor at all they will also heal to full rather quickly. Well said, the Gal scout will be a better light assault than the Amarr. Plus it will be faster, strafe/jump higher, be harder to scan and will have a very generous range bonus to passive scanning, which is incredibly valuable. It also runs the marathon better than the Amarr scout (which is of a very dubious benefit anyways). Amarr should have gotten the original cloak recharge bonus and +0.1 m/sec speed buff so it's at least faster than all assault suits (but still slowest of all scouts). That would have given them something interesting. Best PvE idea ever!
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 363	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:30:00 - [15] - Quote Gallente are going to be the best Scout suit in 1.8. Can armor stack, has a 3 hp a sec rep built into the suit, and is invisible to everything with 1 complex damp while still being able to passively scan everyone around them.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 826	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:38:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Because the Amarr ARE fighters. They are SUPPOSED to stand toe-to-toe with things better than the other races. BTW, Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer. That is not at all our racial design. Our racial design is endurance, this bonus reflects that, but in terms of in game balance the numbers do not stack up. But with only 30 more HP, less than one round, low speed, etc how do we stand up to them better? Amarr have almost all the same ship variants any other race does in EVE and are not necessarily designed more of less for combat. No, that IS your racial design. Best toe-to-toe Logi, best toe-to-toe Heavy, arguably the best toe-to-toe Assault, and best toe-to-toe Scout. The bonus makes no sense, but there it is. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 786	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:43:00 - [17] - Quote To be honest the Amarr scout WILL be a scout, it still has scanrange and more stealth than any assault suit. It is also faster than most suits (only other racial scouts are faster and the most fragile assault suit is marginally faster all other suits are slower). On top of that the Amarr has by far the best stamina and stamina recovery (even without the skill). And the bonus is incredible usefull if you know what you are doing, my gal scout is always low on stamina as I use stamina 95% the time I am in battle. So the amarr scout is still a scout it is just more focussed in combat. The gal comes close but will lack overall mobility in exchange for more long term survivability. The gals scout bonus is also more situational. The dampening skill is only needed if someone is using a protoscanner or against the gal logi. All basic and std scanners will be beaten by any scout as well as all passive scans (apart from the cal scout with skill bonus). The gals scan range buff is only halfway usefull as he is lacking precision. The cal scout will be the walking scanner and perfect skirmisher. His bonuses work well together and strenghten each other. Compared to the gal scout they are more powerful because of that. The minni scout will be the fast hacker (I still don't know how the knife bonus fits in here this should be switched with the gal scan range bonus or against a sprintspeed bonus). Out of all scouts the hacking seems to be the most usefull bonus in terms of battle importance (well as long as you play PCG/Skirm or Dom in an ambush this bonus is utterly useless). So every scout suit bonus is somewhat limited in its usage apart from the amarr bonus as long as you move you can make good use of that bonus....
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8497	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:49:00 - [18] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: True Adamance wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Because the Amarr ARE fighters. They are SUPPOSED to stand toe-to-toe with things better than the other races. BTW, Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer. That is not at all our racial design. Our racial design is endurance, this bonus reflects that, but in terms of in game balance the numbers do not stack up. But with only 30 more HP, less than one round, low speed, etc how do we stand up to them better? Amarr have almost all the same ship variants any other race does in EVE and are not necessarily designed more of less for combat. No, that IS your racial design. Best toe-to-toe Logi, best toe-to-toe Heavy, arguably the best toe-to-toe Assault, and best toe-to-toe Scout. The bonus makes no sense, but there it is. So you are saying you believe all Amarr content needs to be relegated to combat and not given specialist roles like the other 3 racial groups. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1189	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:20:00 - [19] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: On top of that the Amarr has by far the best stamina and stamina recovery (even without the skill). And the bonus is incredible usefull if you know what you are doing, my gal scout is always low on stamina as I use stamina 95% the time I am in battle. Stam is only useful as it relates to moving somewhere quickly. Having full stamina and not moving doesn't help you at all. Here's a scenario to illustrate the point: imagine two players. Player 1 can run from A to B in 8 seconds. Player 2 can run from A to B in 10 seconds. Player 1 only has 8 seconds worth of stamina, and player 2 only has 10 seconds of stamina. Now on paper, you say "Wow, look player 2 has 20% more stamina than player 1, that's a big advantage!" but in reality they both only reach the same place and player 2 gets there slower. Which would you rather be? Player 2 NEEDS that extra stamina so he's not even worse than he already is, it's not an advantage at all, it's compensating somewhat for the slow speed, which is a major f*cking downside to a class that is all about speed. Now these numbers are fictional just to make the point obvious, but the real numbers have been crunched and the benefit is nonexistent. Best PvE idea ever!
Magnus the Wolf The Snack Pack 96	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:21:00 - [20] - Quote This is getting real old. They aren't going to change anything anytime soon. Run the AmScout for awhile and then give specific QQ. There are two reasons why you don't see hardly any known scouts bashing this suit in the forums, just FOTMs and RPers (not calling True, Nocturnal or Aisha FOTMs for the record) 1). We know that the scout suits can be FAR more effective and flexible than the stats reflect. Stamina plays a huge part in survivability for us. I know there are several phenomenal scouts that are going AmScout for this reason. 2). We know how useless QQ is. See our billion page scout registry for honest feedback provided for well over a year for all the good it did us. Except for IWS and his attention we never got recognition or even a blue tag until they shut us down. I hate to say it but if all you want to do is ***** find another suit type. You will not be accepted into our community at this rate and trust me, the scout community is awesome and the main reason I still enjoy this game. We are brothers drenched in blood and a lot of it is our own. I wish you all luck but please stop making new threads about this. Make one. Provide constructive feedback, complaints, and a dash of QQ for 500+ pages and then maybe your dreams will come true. Or maybe a vocal minority will show up when you get want you want and then they will pee all over it because it isn't good enough. I guarantee if the AmScout had been around before 1.8 it would have been FAR worse. Good luck. I wish you all happiness and success on the battlefield.

COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 690	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:34:00 - [21] - Quote Matari Scout is so badass. 60% inherent hack with skills, ability to hack cloaked and the ability to do 1000 flat damage with NK is just too ******* cool. :D Going Cal & Gal on my main, ewar ftw. Amarr? Well, when they introduce delivery boy industrial role I'll consider it. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1611	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:11:00 - [22] - Quote caldari - scans all the things gallente - scans most of the things (but with more sneak) minmatar - in ur base hacking ur cannons and stabing ur doods amarr - RUN FOREST! RUN! GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8516	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:13:00 - [23] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: caldari - scans all the things gallente - scans most of the things (but with more sneak) minmatar - in ur base hacking ur cannons and stabing ur doods amarr - RUN FOREST! RUN! Oh wait Min Scout got there first..... Yup well said "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 828	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:20:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: True Adamance wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Because the Amarr ARE fighters. They are SUPPOSED to stand toe-to-toe with things better than the other races. BTW, Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer. That is not at all our racial design. Our racial design is endurance, this bonus reflects that, but in terms of in game balance the numbers do not stack up. But with only 30 more HP, less than one round, low speed, etc how do we stand up to them better? Amarr have almost all the same ship variants any other race does in EVE and are not necessarily designed more of less for combat. No, that IS your racial design. Best toe-to-toe Logi, best toe-to-toe Heavy, arguably the best toe-to-toe Assault, and best toe-to-toe Scout. The bonus makes no sense, but there it is. So you are saying you believe all Amarr content needs to be relegated to combat and not given specialist roles like the other 3 racial groups. Never said that. You still HAVE the specialist role. You're still a scout, you're just better suited than the other scouts to combat. What's to stop you from doing other things with it. Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer, like it will be with it's other suits (exception of Logi, which will be best for restocking ammo), Gallentes are best at CQC, no matter the class, and Minmatar are the fastest, no matter the class. Amarr will just be the strongest combatants. Nothing more or less than that was my point. And, like I said, the bonus doesn't fit with the philosophy. Remember, Amarr fight for their God, they fight on the front for that reason. Caldari are utilitarian, so they are longer range, as it's more efficient (not effective, but efficient), Gallente prefer being personal, so they will be, and are, the kings of CQC, and Minmatar use hit-and-run, skirmishing tactics, and thus are the fastest suits for that. One-on-one, Min wins, more than that, Amarr will win. Long-range, Caldari wins, up close, Gallente reigns supreme. TL;DR: Amarr are fighters, Caldari are snipers (not the class, the playstyle), Gallentes are CQC, and Minmatar are skirmishers. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 604	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:26:00 - [25] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: True Adamance wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: shadow drake35 wrote: up top will calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed is that right I think it's like this: Cal = scan master Min = hacker/blademaster Gal = ghost (master baiter, if you will) Amarr = passed over That's it. Amarr hasn't been passed over. It's the most assault out of them all! High HP with the ability to run around everyone. An Amarr done right is going to be bad ass! My question is why is it more assault? We already have an assault. Two if you could the Assault Logi we have. ** that. Amarr needs a Scout, not a light assault. Give me a reason we cannot have that like every other racial grouWp in new eden. with the weapons we have now in the game and your skills in drop suit upgrades playing a huge part in scout it's gonna effect what you choose. So if you have no electronics skills maxed pickin cal or gal will leave you at a disadvantage until you do, same with minmatar, if you have no hacking or shield or speed skills maxed, the amar is a battle scout. It's base HP is higher HP than most scouts run with mods**. Basically it's the fighter and if your not good at being sneaky it has the stats to help you live cuz it can toe to toe better and has the stamina to reposition iself Where do people come up with this garbage? I mean is it that hard to just read?? Amarr scout has 30 eHP extra... thats it... and it is as slow as an assault. You can not find one armor module that give you that little HP, and for a 4% speed penalty no less...... While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:28:00 - [26] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: True Adamance wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Because the Amarr ARE fighters. They are SUPPOSED to stand toe-to-toe with things better than the other races. BTW, Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer. That is not at all our racial design. Our racial design is endurance, this bonus reflects that, but in terms of in game balance the numbers do not stack up. But with only 30 more HP, less than one round, low speed, etc how do we stand up to them better? Amarr have almost all the same ship variants any other race does in EVE and are not necessarily designed more of less for combat. In other words, "why are the amarr not the best at everything?" Quit the QQ. You have the best assault suit, the best CQC heavy, the single most important logi (uplinks), and now you are demanding the best scout? HTFU. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HT09oh7Jzwk/TQ5BFHnovHI/AAAAAAAAAWs/h2KquhgDevQ/s1600/stfu2.jpg#Stfu%20meme (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:29:00 - [27] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: True Adamance wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: True Adamance wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Because the Amarr ARE fighters. They are SUPPOSED to stand toe-to-toe with things better than the other races. BTW, Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer. That is not at all our racial design. Our racial design is endurance, this bonus reflects that, but in terms of in game balance the numbers do not stack up. But with only 30 more HP, less than one round, low speed, etc how do we stand up to them better? Amarr have almost all the same ship variants any other race does in EVE and are not necessarily designed more of less for combat. No, that IS your racial design. Best toe-to-toe Logi, best toe-to-toe Heavy, arguably the best toe-to-toe Assault, and best toe-to-toe Scout. The bonus makes no sense, but there it is. So you are saying you believe all Amarr content needs to be relegated to combat and not given specialist roles like the other 3 racial groups. Never said that. You still HAVE the specialist role. You're still a scout, you're just better suited than the other scouts to combat. What's to stop you from doing other things with it. Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer, like it will be with it's other suits (exception of Logi, which will be best for restocking ammo), Gallentes are best at CQC, no matter the class, and Minmatar are the fastest, no matter the class. Amarr will just be the strongest combatants. Nothing more or less than that was my point. And, like I said, the bonus doesn't fit with the philosophy. Remember, Amarr fight for their God, they fight on the front for that reason. Caldari are utilitarian, so they are longer range, as it's more efficient (not effective, but efficient), Gallente prefer being personal, so they will be, and are, the kings of CQC, and Minmatar use hit-and-run, skirmishing tactics, and thus are the fastest suits for that. One-on-one, Min wins, more than that, Amarr will win. Long-range, Caldari wins, up close, Gallente reigns supreme. TL;DR: Amarr are fighters, Caldari are snipers (not the class, the playstyle), Gallentes are CQC, and Minmatar are skirmishers. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HT09oh7Jzwk/TQ5BFHnovHI/AAAAAAAAAWs/h2KquhgDevQ/s1600/stfu2.jpg#Stfu%20meme (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4677	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:29:00 - [28] - Quote If amarr scout was to be more combat oriented, I would of liked more than 30 +hp or a combat oriented bonus... Like scrambler pistol bonus ! GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:31:00 - [29] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: To be honest the Amarr scout WILL be a scout, it still has scanrange and more stealth than any assault suit. It is also faster than most suits (only other racial scouts are faster and the most fragile assault suit is marginally faster all other suits are slower). On top of that the Amarr has by far the best stamina and stamina recovery (even without the skill). And the bonus is incredible usefull if you know what you are doing, my gal scout is always low on stamina as I use stamina 95% the time I am in battle. So the amarr scout is still a scout it is just more focussed in combat. The gal comes close but will lack overall mobility in exchange for more long term survivability. The gals scout bonus is also more situational. The dampening skill is only needed if someone is using a protoscanner or against the gal logi. All basic and std scanners will be beaten by any scout as well as all passive scans (apart from the cal scout with skill bonus). The gals scan range buff is only halfway usefull as he is lacking precision. The cal scout will be the walking scanner and perfect skirmisher. His bonuses work well together and strenghten each other. Compared to the gal scout they are more powerful because of that. The minni scout will be the fast hacker (I still don't know how the knife bonus fits in here this should be switched with the gal scan range bonus or against a sprintspeed bonus). Out of all scouts the hacking seems to be the most usefull bonus in terms of battle importance (well as long as you play PCG/Skirm or Dom in an ambush this bonus is utterly useless). So every scout suit bonus is somewhat limited in its usage apart from the amarr bonus as long as you move you can make good use of that bonus.... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HT09oh7Jzwk/TQ5BFHnovHI/AAAAAAAAAWs/h2KquhgDevQ/s1600/stfu2.jpg#Stfu%20meme (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:35:00 - [30] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: If amarr scout was to be more combat oriented, I would of liked more than 30 +hp or a combat oriented bonus... Like scrambler pistol bonus ! 100 sheild 170 armor 5.39 movement speed 7.55 sprint speed and 5% bonus to stamina ,stamina regen (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.

Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 829	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:37:00 - [31] - Quote Faquira Bleuetta wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: To be honest the Amarr scout WILL be a scout, it still has scanrange and more stealth than any assault suit. It is also faster than most suits (only other racial scouts are faster and the most fragile assault suit is marginally faster all other suits are slower). On top of that the Amarr has by far the best stamina and stamina recovery (even without the skill). And the bonus is incredible usefull if you know what you are doing, my gal scout is always low on stamina as I use stamina 95% the time I am in battle. So the amarr scout is still a scout it is just more focussed in combat. The gal comes close but will lack overall mobility in exchange for more long term survivability. The gals scout bonus is also more situational. The dampening skill is only needed if someone is using a protoscanner or against the gal logi. All basic and std scanners will be beaten by any scout as well as all passive scans (apart from the cal scout with skill bonus). The gals scan range buff is only halfway usefull as he is lacking precision. The cal scout will be the walking scanner and perfect skirmisher. His bonuses work well together and strenghten each other. Compared to the gal scout they are more powerful because of that. The minni scout will be the fast hacker (I still don't know how the knife bonus fits in here this should be switched with the gal scan range bonus or against a sprintspeed bonus). Out of all scouts the hacking seems to be the most usefull bonus in terms of battle importance (well as long as you play PCG/Skirm or Dom in an ambush this bonus is utterly useless). So every scout suit bonus is somewhat limited in its usage apart from the amarr bonus as long as you move you can make good use of that bonus.... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HT09oh7Jzwk/TQ5BFHnovHI/AAAAAAAAAWs/h2KquhgDevQ/s1600/stfu2.jpg#Stfu%20meme If you're going to be rude, rather than listen to our reasons and THINK (shocking concept, I know), perhaps you shouldn't complain to begin with. I understand your concerns. I even mentioned that the bonus made no sense given the Amarr philosophy. But instead of refuting me, with logic and reason (another shocking concept, I know), you tell me to stfu? How petty. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2415	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:40:00 - [32] - Quote Magnus the Wolf wrote: This is getting real old. They aren't going to change anything anytime soon. Run the AmScout for awhile and then give specific QQ. There are two reasons why you don't see hardly any known scouts bashing this suit in the forums, just FOTMs and RPers (not calling True, Nocturnal or Aisha FOTMs for the record) 1). We know that the scout suits can be FAR more effective and flexible than the stats reflect. Stamina plays a huge part in survivability for us. I know there are several phenomenal scouts that are going AmScout for this reason. 2). We know how useless QQ is. See our billion page scout registry for honest feedback provided for well over a year for all the good it did us. Except for IWS and his attention we never got recognition or even a blue tag until they shut us down. I hate to say it but if all you want to do is ***** find another suit type. You will not be accepted into our community at this rate and trust me, the scout community is awesome and the main reason I still enjoy this game. We are brothers drenched in blood and a lot of it is our own. I wish you all luck but please stop making new threads about this. Make one. Provide constructive feedback, complaints, and a dash of QQ for 500+ pages and then maybe your dreams will come true. Or maybe a vocal minority will show up when you get want you want and then they will pee all over it because it isn't good enough. I guarantee if the AmScout had been around before 1.8 it would have been FAR worse. Good luck. I wish you all happiness and success on the battlefield. Yo nice post and all but have you read Aero's post Amarr vs. Gal builds? Or even looked at Magnus post calculating were the A-scout would be in a foot race? How about my post that's states that the minmatar scout has a faster regain than the Amarr even with bonuses to lvl 5? Trust me we have provided constructive feedback and all we got were people shouting your 40+ hp makes your suit better in combat than any other scout.... oh and my favorite "The Amarr are a combat oriented race so that extra hp buff makes up for it."(40+ more hp doesn't make you combat oriented and being slower than assault doesn't help either). Anyway not trying to be a d*ck and all but bro the numbers and graphs are right there how can you just ignore them? Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:40:00 - [33] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Faquira Bleuetta wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: To be honest the Amarr scout WILL be a scout, it still has scanrange and more stealth than any assault suit. It is also faster than most suits (only other racial scouts are faster and the most fragile assault suit is marginally faster all other suits are slower). On top of that the Amarr has by far the best stamina and stamina recovery (even without the skill). And the bonus is incredible usefull if you know what you are doing, my gal scout is always low on stamina as I use stamina 95% the time I am in battle. So the amarr scout is still a scout it is just more focussed in combat. The gal comes close but will lack overall mobility in exchange for more long term survivability. The gals scout bonus is also more situational. The dampening skill is only needed if someone is using a protoscanner or against the gal logi. All basic and std scanners will be beaten by any scout as well as all passive scans (apart from the cal scout with skill bonus). The gals scan range buff is only halfway usefull as he is lacking precision. The cal scout will be the walking scanner and perfect skirmisher. His bonuses work well together and strenghten each other. Compared to the gal scout they are more powerful because of that. The minni scout will be the fast hacker (I still don't know how the knife bonus fits in here this should be switched with the gal scan range bonus or against a sprintspeed bonus). Out of all scouts the hacking seems to be the most usefull bonus in terms of battle importance (well as long as you play PCG/Skirm or Dom in an ambush this bonus is utterly useless). So every scout suit bonus is somewhat limited in its usage apart from the amarr bonus as long as you move you can make good use of that bonus.... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HT09oh7Jzwk/TQ5BFHnovHI/AAAAAAAAAWs/h2KquhgDevQ/s1600/stfu2.jpg#Stfu%20meme If you're going to be rude, rather than listen to our reasons and THINK (shocking concept, I know), perhaps you shouldn't complain to begin with. I understand your concerns. I even mentioned that the bonus made no sense given the Amarr philosophy. But instead of refuting me, with logic and reason (another shocking concept, I know), you tell me to stfu? How petty. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HT09oh7Jzwk/TQ5BFHnovHI/AAAAAAAAAWs/h2KquhgDevQ/s1600/stfu2.jpg#Stfu%20meme (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 886	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:51:00 - [34] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: [ Never said that. You still HAVE the specialist role. You're still a scout, you're just better suited than the other scouts to combat. What's to stop you from doing other things with it. Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer, like it will be with it's other suits (exception of Logi, which will be best for restocking ammo), Gallentes are best at CQC, no matter the class, and Minmatar are the fastest, no matter the class. Amarr will just be the strongest combatants. Nothing more or less than that was my point. And, like I said, the bonus doesn't fit with the philosophy. Remember, Amarr fight for their God, they fight on the front for that reason. Caldari are utilitarian, so they are longer range, as it's more efficient (not effective, but efficient), Gallente prefer being personal, so they will be, and are, the kings of CQC, and Minmatar use hit-and-run, skirmishing tactics, and thus are the fastest suits for that. One-on-one, Min wins, more than that, Amarr will win. Long-range, Caldari wins, up close, Gallente reigns supreme. TL;DR: Amarr are fighters, Caldari are snipers (not the class, the playstyle), Gallentes are CQC, and Minmatar are skirmishers. You're presenting an argument without any substance. Lore can be whatever the devs say, it has no baring on game mechanics. So I want you to address your thesis. Luna Angelo wrote: you're just better suited than the other scouts to combat Please back that statement up with facts and reasons, not equivocation and lore. Why are the Amarr scouts better fighters than Gallente Scouts? First just looking at the suits themselves the Amarr are (a) lacking in native armor regen and (b) 4% slower. They recieve a 30 EHP buff total. Does 30 extra hit points make them better at combat? Arguable. And certainly not so self apparent that you can just make a blanket statement and expect everyone to agree with you. Next, look at the racial bonuses. Gallente get extra scan range, and extra dampening. Amarr get extra stamina and extra stamina regen. Everyone knows that the Gal bonus is complex level and the Am bonus is militia level. It's the source of most of the Amarr scout hate. But anyway, how exactly does extra stamina help them in a fight? Unless you are using melee, it doesn't. And its not like bunny hopping in a slower suit is any better than strafing in a faster suit If we are being honest with each other, dampening doesnt help with a fight either. It helps immediately before or immediately after, but if you are actively being shot at, a dampening bonus is worthless. So it's not like Gal is "better" here, but they certainly aren't worse at combat than the Amarr. What the Gal scout will be better at is picking its fights. To the casual observer, it will seem like Gal scouts win more often because they get to control engagements better. Cal scouts and Scanner Logis will be picking your Amarr scout up all the time. Gal scouts at least avoid that nonsense. In the end, you have a scout without a niche. Saying it's "combat" oriented because of a few HP isn't correct. Even Min scout is more combat because he gets a legitimate bonus to a weapon. Amarr have a little bit more defense, at the expense of health regen and speed. Reload bonus, damage bonus, clip size bonus, weapon fitting bonus...these are all things that would enhance a "combat specialist" persona. They are not on the Amarr scout.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 830	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:00:00 - [35] - Quote Ivan Avogadro wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: [ Never said that. You still HAVE the specialist role. You're still a scout, you're just better suited than the other scouts to combat. What's to stop you from doing other things with it. Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer, like it will be with it's other suits (exception of Logi, which will be best for restocking ammo), Gallentes are best at CQC, no matter the class, and Minmatar are the fastest, no matter the class. Amarr will just be the strongest combatants. Nothing more or less than that was my point. And, like I said, the bonus doesn't fit with the philosophy. Remember, Amarr fight for their God, they fight on the front for that reason. Caldari are utilitarian, so they are longer range, as it's more efficient (not effective, but efficient), Gallente prefer being personal, so they will be, and are, the kings of CQC, and Minmatar use hit-and-run, skirmishing tactics, and thus are the fastest suits for that. One-on-one, Min wins, more than that, Amarr will win. Long-range, Caldari wins, up close, Gallente reigns supreme. TL;DR: Amarr are fighters, Caldari are snipers (not the class, the playstyle), Gallentes are CQC, and Minmatar are skirmishers. You're presenting an argument without any substance. Lore can be whatever the devs say, it has no baring on game mechanics. So I want you to address your thesis. Luna Angelo wrote: you're just better suited than the other scouts to combat Please back that statement up with facts and reasons, not equivocation and lore. Why are the Amarr scouts better fighters than Gallente Scouts? First just looking at the suits themselves the Amarr are (a) lacking in native armor regen and (b) 4% slower. They recieve a 30 EHP buff total. Does 30 extra hit points make them better at combat? Arguable. And certainly not so self apparent that you can just make a blanket statement and expect everyone to agree with you. Next, look at the racial bonuses. Gallente get extra scan range, and extra dampening. Amarr get extra stamina and extra stamina regen. Everyone knows that the Gal bonus is complex level and the Am bonus is militia level. It's the source of most of the Amarr scout hate. But anyway, how exactly does extra stamina help them in a fight? Unless you are using melee, it doesn't. And its not like bunny hopping in a slower suit is any better than strafing in a faster suit If we are being honest with each other, dampening doesnt help with a fight either. It helps immediately before or immediately after, but if you are actively being shot at, a dampening bonus is worthless. So it's not like Gal is "better" here, but they certainly aren't worse at combat than the Amarr. What the Gal scout will be better at is picking its fights. To the casual observer, it will seem like Gal scouts win more often because they get to control engagements better. Cal scouts and Scanner Logis will be picking your Amarr scout up all the time. Gal scouts at least avoid that nonsense. In the end, you have a scout without a niche. Saying it's "combat" oriented because of a few HP isn't correct. Even Min scout is more combat because he gets a legitimate bonus to a weapon. Amarr have a little bit more defense, at the expense of health regen and speed. Reload bonus, damage bonus, clip size bonus, weapon fitting bonus...these are all things that would enhance a "combat specialist" persona. They are not on the Amarr scout. Lore DOES matter, though. I say these things because the lore is what drew me. That being said, I agree with your points. With a better bonus, one that's combat oriented, it would fall in line. As it is, it is a joke. I said THAT, too. When I said that Amarr are the better fighters, I meant the other suits are better suited. If the Amarr Scout had a better bonus, it would fit into that. Here is my reasoning: Amarr Assault has a laser weapon heat sink. Amarr logi has a sidearm. Amarr Sentinel has the best tank. Amarr Commando is, well, IDK, really, but only because I don't want to look up the bonus at the moment. With those facts, it stands to reason that Amarr Scout would follow the same path. So it's not JUST the lore, but the other suits. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8518	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:02:00 - [36] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Ivan Avogadro wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: [ Never said that. You still HAVE the specialist role. You're still a scout, you're just better suited than the other scouts to combat. What's to stop you from doing other things with it. Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer, like it will be with it's other suits (exception of Logi, which will be best for restocking ammo), Gallentes are best at CQC, no matter the class, and Minmatar are the fastest, no matter the class. Amarr will just be the strongest combatants. Nothing more or less than that was my point. And, like I said, the bonus doesn't fit with the philosophy. Remember, Amarr fight for their God, they fight on the front for that reason. Caldari are utilitarian, so they are longer range, as it's more efficient (not effective, but efficient), Gallente prefer being personal, so they will be, and are, the kings of CQC, and Minmatar use hit-and-run, skirmishing tactics, and thus are the fastest suits for that. One-on-one, Min wins, more than that, Amarr will win. Long-range, Caldari wins, up close, Gallente reigns supreme. TL;DR: Amarr are fighters, Caldari are snipers (not the class, the playstyle), Gallentes are CQC, and Minmatar are skirmishers. You're presenting an argument without any substance. Lore can be whatever the devs say, it has no baring on game mechanics. So I want you to address your thesis. Luna Angelo wrote: you're just better suited than the other scouts to combat Please back that statement up with facts and reasons, not equivocation and lore. Why are the Amarr scouts better fighters than Gallente Scouts? First just looking at the suits themselves the Amarr are (a) lacking in native armor regen and (b) 4% slower. They recieve a 30 EHP buff total. Does 30 extra hit points make them better at combat? Arguable. And certainly not so self apparent that you can just make a blanket statement and expect everyone to agree with you. Next, look at the racial bonuses. Gallente get extra scan range, and extra dampening. Amarr get extra stamina and extra stamina regen. Everyone knows that the Gal bonus is complex level and the Am bonus is militia level. It's the source of most of the Amarr scout hate. But anyway, how exactly does extra stamina help them in a fight? Unless you are using melee, it doesn't. And its not like bunny hopping in a slower suit is any better than strafing in a faster suit If we are being honest with each other, dampening doesnt help with a fight either. It helps immediately before or immediately after, but if you are actively being shot at, a dampening bonus is worthless. So it's not like Gal is "better" here, but they certainly aren't worse at combat than the Amarr. What the Gal scout will be better at is picking its fights. To the casual observer, it will seem like Gal scouts win more often because they get to control engagements better. Cal scouts and Scanner Logis will be picking your Amarr scout up all the time. Gal scouts at least avoid that nonsense. In the end, you have a scout without a niche. Saying it's "combat" oriented because of a few HP isn't correct. Even Min scout is more combat because he gets a legitimate bonus to a weapon. Amarr have a little bit more defense, at the expense of health regen and speed. Reload bonus, damage bonus, clip size bonus, weapon fitting bonus...these are all things that would enhance a "combat specialist" persona. They are not on the Amarr scout. Lore DOES matter, though. I say these things because the lore is what drew me. That being said, I agree with your points. With a better bonus, one that's combat oriented, it would fall in line. As it is, it is a joke. I said THAT, too. When I said that Amarr are the better fighters, I meant the other suits are better suited. If the Amarr Scout had a better bonus, it would fit into that. Here is my reasoning: Amarr Assault has a laser weapon heat sink. Amarr logi has a sidearm. Amarr Sentinel has the best tank. Amarr Commando is, well, IDK, really, but only because I don't want to look up the bonus at the moment. With those facts, it stands to reason that Amarr Scout would follow the same path. So it's not JUST the lore, but the other suits. Can I get your lore sources that state our combat doctrine oriented as you say? I would also like sources from EVE ships that point out how our specialist ships cannot functions effectively in their roles and are more inclined towards direct combat. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 830	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:07:00 - [37] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Ivan Avogadro wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: [ Never said that. You still HAVE the specialist role. You're still a scout, you're just better suited than the other scouts to combat. What's to stop you from doing other things with it. Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer, like it will be with it's other suits (exception of Logi, which will be best for restocking ammo), Gallentes are best at CQC, no matter the class, and Minmatar are the fastest, no matter the class. Amarr will just be the strongest combatants. Nothing more or less than that was my point. And, like I said, the bonus doesn't fit with the philosophy. Remember, Amarr fight for their God, they fight on the front for that reason. Caldari are utilitarian, so they are longer range, as it's more efficient (not effective, but efficient), Gallente prefer being personal, so they will be, and are, the kings of CQC, and Minmatar use hit-and-run, skirmishing tactics, and thus are the fastest suits for that. One-on-one, Min wins, more than that, Amarr will win. Long-range, Caldari wins, up close, Gallente reigns supreme. TL;DR: Amarr are fighters, Caldari are snipers (not the class, the playstyle), Gallentes are CQC, and Minmatar are skirmishers. You're presenting an argument without any substance. Lore can be whatever the devs say, it has no baring on game mechanics. So I want you to address your thesis. Luna Angelo wrote: you're just better suited than the other scouts to combat Please back that statement up with facts and reasons, not equivocation and lore. Why are the Amarr scouts better fighters than Gallente Scouts? First just looking at the suits themselves the Amarr are (a) lacking in native armor regen and (b) 4% slower. They recieve a 30 EHP buff total. Does 30 extra hit points make them better at combat? Arguable. And certainly not so self apparent that you can just make a blanket statement and expect everyone to agree with you. Next, look at the racial bonuses. Gallente get extra scan range, and extra dampening. Amarr get extra stamina and extra stamina regen. Everyone knows that the Gal bonus is complex level and the Am bonus is militia level. It's the source of most of the Amarr scout hate. But anyway, how exactly does extra stamina help them in a fight? Unless you are using melee, it doesn't. And its not like bunny hopping in a slower suit is any better than strafing in a faster suit If we are being honest with each other, dampening doesnt help with a fight either. It helps immediately before or immediately after, but if you are actively being shot at, a dampening bonus is worthless. So it's not like Gal is "better" here, but they certainly aren't worse at combat than the Amarr. What the Gal scout will be better at is picking its fights. To the casual observer, it will seem like Gal scouts win more often because they get to control engagements better. Cal scouts and Scanner Logis will be picking your Amarr scout up all the time. Gal scouts at least avoid that nonsense. In the end, you have a scout without a niche. Saying it's "combat" oriented because of a few HP isn't correct. Even Min scout is more combat because he gets a legitimate bonus to a weapon. Amarr have a little bit more defense, at the expense of health regen and speed. Reload bonus, damage bonus, clip size bonus, weapon fitting bonus...these are all things that would enhance a "combat specialist" persona. They are not on the Amarr scout. Lore DOES matter, though. I say these things because the lore is what drew me. That being said, I agree with your points. With a better bonus, one that's combat oriented, it would fall in line. As it is, it is a joke. I said THAT, too. When I said that Amarr are the better fighters, I meant the other suits are better suited. If the Amarr Scout had a better bonus, it would fit into that. Here is my reasoning: Amarr Assault has a laser weapon heat sink. Amarr logi has a sidearm. Amarr Sentinel has the best tank. Amarr Commando is, well, IDK, really, but only because I don't want to look up the bonus at the moment. With those facts, it stands to reason that Amarr Scout would follow the same path. So it's not JUST the lore, but the other suits. Can I get your lore sources that state our combat doctrine oriented as you say? I would also like sources from EVE ships that point out how our specialist ships cannot functions effectively in their roles and are more inclined towards direct combat. Adamance, my friend, you and I know that the EVE ships have 2-3 bonuses, while we just have 2.... And as for Lore, Templar One. The original was MADE to fight on the frontlines. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8519	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:12:00 - [38] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Adamance, my friend, you and I know that the EVE ships have 2-3 bonuses, while we just have 2.... And as for Lore, Templar One. The original was MADE to fight on the frontlines. Can I get excerpts please? "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Western Ways Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:35:00 - [39] - Quote I worked these out at protofits and i gotta say, i don't think the amarr scout is as bad as people are making it out to be. I posted this in another topic but it seemed relevant to bring it into this one. I used the same weapon and equipment loadouts for each and tried to squeeze out as much ehp as i could out of the suits while giving them about the same ground speed. Minmatar assault (within cpu and pg constraints) 404 cpu 78 pg 2 complex extenders 1 basic extender 1 complex plate 1 enhanced plate Proto CR, SMG, flux and triage nanohive 795 ehp 4.88 m/s run speed Amarr scout (within cpu and pg constraints) 436 cpu 89 pg 2 complex extenders 1 complex plate 1 enhanced plate 1 complex ferroscale plate 1 basic ferroscale plate Same weapon/equipment loadout 823 ehp 4.84 m/s run speed lol @ the amarr scout being a better assault suit than the minmatar assault, and it can get even beefier while still maintaining assault speeds.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8521	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:39:00 - [40] - Quote Western Ways wrote: I worked these out at protofits and i gotta say, i don't think the amarr scout is as bad as people are making it out to be. I posted this in another topic but it seemed relevant to bring it into this one. I used the same weapon and equipment loadouts for each and tried to squeeze out as much ehp as i could out of the suits while giving them about the same ground speed. Minmatar assault (within cpu and pg constraints) 404 cpu 78 pg 2 complex extenders 1 basic extender 1 complex plate 1 enhanced plate Proto CR, SMG, flux and triage nanohive 795 ehp 4.88 m/s run speed Amarr scout (within cpu and pg constraints) 436 cpu 89 pg 2 complex extenders 1 complex plate 1 enhanced plate 1 complex ferroscale plate 1 basic ferroscale plate Same weapon/equipment loadout 823 ehp 4.84 m/s run speed lol @ the amarr scout being a better assault suit than the minmatar assault, and it can get even beefier while still maintaining assault speeds. Why are you tanking your Scout out? That wastes the suit and makes no sense. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two

DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 432	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:52:00 - [41] - Quote Why is it the fighter? Why does it not truely adequately fulfil the role and design of a scout? If you were in my position looking at the scouts and you see calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed Do you not wonder why Amarr are getting marginalised into a race of assault suits? [/quote] Your missing the point, my GK0 has barely 300 HP on these fits Speed fit 2xcomp kins/2x range Comp cardio /profile damp Comp shield/percision /comp damage comp reactive plate Sg /remotes/scp/smg Shield 87/160 Armor around 220 Regen 2hp I can mimic this fit with a AK and almost have the same base HP before I fit it, I can run a rep instead of a plate and still have the same HP and a faster rep rate than the5 HP from the gal passive an the reactive, use two speeds and a range, use the cloak as my damp and use a shield or two and or percision or make the exact same fits and have more HP . So yea it's a fighter what it lacks in stealth it makes up in beefyness! It's the ultimate shotgun scout, when you make a scout u add mods that add to its bonuses, if you put a complex plate, rep, two reds or red green or whatever else you can go heavy hunting no problem, if you wanna evade and hide your playstyle doesn't fit the Amar because that's not how amar fight. Their armor fighters and slower with more stamina, so if you want E war you can do it but those aren't the suits strengths, take it or leave it and go gallente . Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8522	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:55:00 - [42] - Quote My point is I dont think you can justify why the Amarr scout fulfils an assault role as opposed to a scout role? You neither have lore evidence or knowledge like I can expect from other players, you are basing your assessment off of what? Some arbitrary knowledge you think you possess and are entitled to after playing this game for X months? Have you even looked into Amarr combat doctrines and historical precedents of such combat doctrines? Why even build a scout that isnt designed to scout? "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4685	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:03:00 - [43] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Your missing the point, my GK0 has barely 300 HP on these fits Speed fit 2xcomp kins/2x range Comp cardio /profile damp Comp shield/percision /comp damage comp reactive plate Sg /remotes/scp/smg Shield 87/160 Armor around 220 Regen 2hp I can mimic this fit with a AK and almost have the same base HP before I fit it, I can run a rep instead of a plate and still have the same HP and a faster rep rate than the5 HP from the gal passive an the reactive, use two speeds and a range, use the cloak as my damp and use a shield or two and or percision or make the exact same fits and have more HP . So yea it's a fighter what it lacks in stealth it makes up in beefyness! It's the ultimate shotgun scout, when you make a scout u add mods that add to its bonuses, if you put a complex plate, rep, two reds or red green or whatever else you can go heavy hunting no problem, if you wanna evade and hide your playstyle doesn't fit the Amar because that's not how amar fight. Their armor fighters and slower with more stamina, so if you want E war you can do it but those aren't the suits strengths, take it or leave it and go gallente . You put a complex reactive on a gall scout?! Well then of course the ak scout will better when you compare! Reactive plates blow... You're just being biased now with your module choices GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 830	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:10:00 - [44] - Quote True Adamance wrote: My point is I dont think you can justify why the Amarr scout fulfils an assault role as opposed to a scout role? You neither have lore evidence or knowledge like I can expect from other players, you are basing your assessment off of what? Some arbitrary knowledge you think you possess and are entitled to after playing this game for X months? Have you even looked into Amarr combat doctrines and historical precedents of such combat doctrines? Why even build a scout that isnt designed to scout? Adamance, I will find a few later and post them. Is that ok, my friend? I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8528	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:12:00 - [45] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: True Adamance wrote: My point is I dont think you can justify why the Amarr scout fulfils an assault role as opposed to a scout role? You neither have lore evidence or knowledge like I can expect from other players, you are basing your assessment off of what? Some arbitrary knowledge you think you possess and are entitled to after playing this game for X months? Have you even looked into Amarr combat doctrines and historical precedents of such combat doctrines? Why even build a scout that isnt designed to scout? Adamance, I will find a few later and post them. Is that ok, my friend? Sweet. I honestly have never read Templar One, but I do know its not a favourably looked upon source of Prime Fiction. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 605	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:22:00 - [46] - Quote Western Ways wrote: I worked these out at protofits and i gotta say, i don't think the amarr scout is as bad as people are making it out to be. I posted this in another topic but it seemed relevant to bring it into this one. I used the same weapon and equipment loadouts for each and tried to squeeze out as much ehp as i could out of the suits while giving them about the same ground speed. Minmatar assault (within cpu and pg constraints) 404 cpu 78 pg 2 complex extenders 1 basic extender 1 complex plate 1 enhanced plate Proto CR, SMG, flux and triage nanohive 795 ehp 4.88 m/s run speed Amarr scout (within cpu and pg constraints) 436 cpu 89 pg 2 complex extenders 1 complex plate 1 enhanced plate 1 complex ferroscale plate 1 basic ferroscale plate Same weapon/equipment loadout 823 ehp 4.84 m/s run speed lol @ the amarr scout being a better assault suit than the minmatar assault, and it can get even beefier while still maintaining assault speeds. So in what world does a prot minmatar assault have a 3/2 slot layout? I only ask this because apparently you used a proto amarr scout. If you were actually trying to be at least a tiny bit impartial, you would use a proto assault, or basic assault and basic scout. either or. Actually after looking at your fits further... wtf are you on drugs? While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 605	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:26:00 - [47] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Why is it the fighter? Why does it not truely adequately fulfil the role and design of a scout? If you were in my position looking at the scouts and you see calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed Do you not wonder why Amarr are getting marginalised into a race of assault suits? Your missing the point, my GK0 has barely 300 HP on these fits Speed fit 2xcomp kins/2x range Comp cardio /profile damp Comp shield/percision /comp damage comp reactive plate Sg /remotes/scp/smg Shield 87/160 Armor around 220 Regen 2hp I can mimic this fit with a AK and almost have the same base HP before I fit it, I can run a rep instead of a plate and still have the same HP and a faster rep rate than the5 HP from the gal passive an the reactive, use two speeds and a range, use the cloak as my damp and use a shield or two and or percision or make the exact same fits and have more HP . So yea it's a fighter what it lacks in stealth it makes up in beefyness! It's the ultimate shotgun scout, when you make a scout u add mods that add to its bonuses, if you put a complex plate, rep, two reds or red green or whatever else you can go heavy hunting no problem, if you wanna evade and hide your playstyle doesn't fit the Amar because that's not how amar fight. Their armor fighters and slower with more stamina, so if you want E war you can do it but those aren't the suits strengths, take it or leave it and go gallente .[/quote] As had been established, they have exactly the same slot layout. The gallente has more PG, faster, lower profile, better scan radius, and 3hp/sec repair, the amarr has more CPU , stamina/recharge, and 30 more HP. That is the only difference between the suits.. yep that is it. Oh and they look a bit different. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Western Ways Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:49:00 - [48] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: So in what world does a prot minmatar assault have a 3/2 slot layout? I only ask this because apparently you used a proto amarr scout. If you were actually trying to be at least a tiny bit impartial, you would use a proto assault, or basic assault and basic scout. either or. Actually after looking at your fits further... wtf are you on drugs? I couldn't fit any more modules on the minmatar due to cpu/pg restraints, from what i hear about minmatar suits on the forums this isn't uncommon. i could've fit more modules if i used lesser weapons and equipment but i don't think that would've taken away from my point. So yeah i did use a proto assault, and maybe the next time you could be less of a idckhole and ask instead of just assuming and getting butthurt at someone's forum post. lol, i could give a ufck what you think about the fits, the point was about ehp and groundspeed.
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 432	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:49:00 - [49] - Quote True Adamance wrote: My point is I dont think you can justify why the Amarr scout fulfils an assault role as opposed to a scout role? You neither have lore evidence or knowledge like I can expect from other players, you are basing your assessment off of what? Some arbitrary knowledge you think you possess and are entitled to after playing this game for X months? Have you even looked into Amarr combat doctrines and historical precedents of such combat doctrines? Why even build a scout that isnt designed to scout? Look I been around since beta and you know my main and give Hume more respect than this but he's on probation till may, what I do kno Is that ewar scouts like gal and cal fitted properly with profile and range and percision amps lose HP to extend these bonuses because percision and shields share the same slots for a cal and if you want range and profile damp suit on that cal you lose both low slots, now you got no speed, armor buff or reps or stamina an three shields and one percision. The gallente loses its shields for percision to be aware of scouts, loses two HP slots if you want to run a damp and a range, so you got two slots to add HP or speed or stamina. The min will probably scout wise get noticed but be full of stamina and speed and shields so it won't mater but if it does use a range, damp and 2 percision it only has two slots left for HP and biotics. The Amar will have a higher base HP than any of these scouts without using a slot and even if it goes full scoutty with percision and biotics or E war it still has more options to fit one of every mod or many of a certain kind. I see no strength in your complaints Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4686	Posted - 2014.03.21 01:00:00 - [50] - Quote Western Ways wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: So in what world does a prot minmatar assault have a 3/2 slot layout? I only ask this because apparently you used a proto amarr scout. If you were actually trying to be at least a tiny bit impartial, you would use a proto assault, or basic assault and basic scout. either or. Actually after looking at your fits further... wtf are you on drugs? I couldn't fit any more modules on the minmatar due to cpu/pg restraints, from what i hear about minmatar suits on the forums this isn't uncommon. i could've fit more modules if i used lesser weapons and equipment but i don't think that would've taken away from my point. So yeah i did use a proto assault, and maybe the next time you could be less of a idckhole and ask instead of just assuming and getting butthurt at someone's forum post. lol, i could give a ufck what you think about the fits, the point was about ehp and groundspeed. Couldn't fit more modules? Minmitar Assault http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/181/1576 861 hp 5.04 run speed. All within your weapon, equipment, and CPU / PG restraints. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY

Western Ways Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2014.03.21 01:23:00 - [51] - Quote @ DJINN Marauder That build is using a toxin smg, i used a proto smg. The point was to give them equal weapons and equipment and see who could get more ehp without giving up a speed advantage. I've plugged in that build 3 different times in the last two days and got different results. One time the minassault was ahead and the other two times gave it to the amarr Look ... I'm not trying to isht in anybody's fruitloops. I think the Amarr bonus sucks balls and you guys should fight to get it changed into something else. The only point i was trying to make is that the Amarr scout won't be useless, in fact i think it will be downright scary in the right hands.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1593	Posted - 2014.03.21 02:04:00 - [52] - Quote Caldari = cleaning Gallente = jerking Minmatar = waxing Amarr = sexting "Stay stealthy scouts." GÇô Ron Burgundy
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 227	Posted - 2014.03.21 02:25:00 - [53] - Quote gal-speed gal-stealth gal-eHP gal-fittings cal-scanning am-long distance running min-being killed Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 607	Posted - 2014.03.21 04:05:00 - [54] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: gal-speed gal-stealth gal-eHP gal-fittings cal-scanning am-long distance running min-being killed yeah but the amarr suck at long distance running if you want to get anywhere. So kindly take that off of the list. it has been proven that amarr will never be the first suit anywhere, no matter the distance While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
shadow drake35 The Third Day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 85	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:22:00 - [55] - Quote amarr will be a scout but also light assault amarr are fighter and thanks for all the replys MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran
shadow drake35 The Third Day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 85	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:24:00 - [56] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: gal-speed gal-stealth gal-eHP gal-fittings cal-scanning am-long distance running min-being killed no no no no gal-stealth amarr-ehp cal-recon/scanning minitar- any runing it is very easy to tell your a gal fan i play all factions MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran
k joydrop Nos Nothi 15	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:26:00 - [57] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: shadow drake35 wrote: up top will calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed is that right I think it's like this: Cal = scan master Min = hacker/blademaster Gal = ghost (master baiter, if you will) Amarr = passed over That's it. If they were ninja turtles it would be Cal = Donatello Min = Leonardo Gal = Michelangelo Amarr = Raphael, the misunderstood bruiser Asha was here.
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 140	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:14:00 - [58] - Quote Ivan Avogadro wrote: Amarr isn't that great at fighting guys. People need to stop thinking this way. They get 30 more health than the Gal or Cal Scout. T-H-I-R-T-Y. You can up that to 37.5 with full on core skills. They also get the same exact slot loadout as the Gal scout, so any brick you put on the Amarr you can match on the Gal, guaranteed. So you have a scout that gets 37.5 more brick that runs slower. Ok, maybe that's a fine trade off. But also consider that the Gal Scout gets a permanent 3hp/s armor regen while Amarr does not. Why does the scout with the least shield, the slowest shield regen, the most armor, and no armor rep get to be called the "Warrior Scout"? Amarr's will be the ones hurting the most after an engagement, going to look for rep hives or a logi. Gal scouts, for just a little less HP get to heal to full every time, and are invisible enough to run away and hide. Cal scouts get the shield buffer, so if you don't damage their armor at all they will also heal to full rather quickly. The awesomeness that is Gal scout passive armor reps cannot be overstated. This means that if I kill an enemy and take a couple bullets (since any more than 2 usually = a lost clone) in the process, I can take cover, chill/run behind cover, looking for another victim, for about 40 seconds, and I'm good to go. This means a player can save that low slot for plate, if they care about EHP (but what sort of scouting scout does?), red or green pills, etc. Since the Gal scout only needs two complex damps with max skills to be radar invisible to 95% of the players in the game (the other 5%--and I'm sure that's a high estimate--would be Gallogis with Duvolle Focused AS), and since it's unlikely that the majority of other scouts will be running 2 complex damps (Cals because they only have two low slots, Mins because they only have three, and Amarr since many folks will likely be putting at least a plate and a repper in two of the 4 slots, trying to achieve that assault feel), the Gal scout is going to be a fricken nightmare on the field. My intended fits: G/1-Series 2 x advanced precision enhancers 2 x enhanced profile dampener 1 x enhanced range amplifier or enhanced codebreaker 1 x CRG-3 Shotgun 1 x breach SMG 1 x remote explosives 1 x uplink 1 x locus grenades gk.0 Ditto above, except complex/proto everything and I'll fit both the range amp and the codebreaker. My other dropsuit is a Python.
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:15:00 - [59] - Quote Amarr scout excels at being mediocre it seems BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 140	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:20:00 - [60] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Western Ways wrote: I worked these out at protofits and i gotta say, i don't think the amarr scout is as bad as people are making it out to be. I posted this in another topic but it seemed relevant to bring it into this one. I used the same weapon and equipment loadouts for each and tried to squeeze out as much ehp as i could out of the suits while giving them about the same ground speed. Minmatar assault (within cpu and pg constraints) 404 cpu 78 pg 2 complex extenders 1 basic extender 1 complex plate 1 enhanced plate Proto CR, SMG, flux and triage nanohive 795 ehp 4.88 m/s run speed Amarr scout (within cpu and pg constraints) 436 cpu 89 pg 2 complex extenders 1 complex plate 1 enhanced plate 1 complex ferroscale plate 1 basic ferroscale plate Same weapon/equipment loadout 823 ehp 4.84 m/s run speed lol @ the amarr scout being a better assault suit than the minmatar assault, and it can get even beefier while still maintaining assault speeds. Why are you tanking your Scout out? That wastes the suit and makes no sense. < 5 m/s running speed of a scout?!? WTF?!?! My other dropsuit is a Python.

shadow drake35 The Third Day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 87	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:06:00 - [61] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Why is it the fighter? Why does it not truely adequately fulfil the role and design of a scout? If you were in my position looking at the scouts and you see calidari be best recon amarr fighting gal stealth minitar speed Do you not wonder why Amarr are getting marginalised into a race of assault suits? you are prejudice i play all factions you are just bias for you have you played amarr MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran
shadow drake35 The Third Day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 87	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:09:00 - [62] - Quote please no prejudice for your faction MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran


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