This is getting real old.

They aren't going to change anything anytime soon. Run the AmScout for awhile and then give specific QQ. There are two reasons why you don't see hardly any known scouts bashing this suit in the forums, just FOTMs and RPers (not calling True, Nocturnal or Aisha FOTMs for the record)

1). We know that the scout suits can be FAR more effective and flexible than the stats reflect. Stamina plays a huge part in survivability for us. I know there are several phenomenal scouts that are going AmScout for this reason.

2). We know how useless QQ is. See our billion page scout registry for honest feedback provided for well over a year for all the good it did us. Except for IWS and his attention we never got recognition or even a blue tag until they shut us down. I hate to say it but if all you want to do is ***** find another suit type. You will not be accepted into our community at this rate and trust me, the scout community is awesome and the main reason I still enjoy this game. We are brothers drenched in blood and a lot of it is our own.

I wish you all luck but please stop making new threads about this. Make one. Provide constructive feedback, complaints, and a dash of QQ for 500+ pages and then maybe your dreams will come true. Or maybe a vocal minority will show up when you get want you want and then they will pee all over it because it isn't good enough. I guarantee if the AmScout had been around before 1.8 it would have been FAR worse.

Good luck. I wish you all happiness and success on the battlefield.

If you're going to be rude, rather than listen to our reasons and THINK (shocking concept, I know), perhaps you shouldn't complain to begin with. I understand your concerns. I even mentioned that the bonus made no sense given the Amarr philosophy. But instead of refuting me, with logic and reason (another shocking concept, I know), you tell me to stfu? How petty.

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Never said that. You still HAVE the specialist role. You're still a scout, you're just better suited than the other scouts to combat. What's to stop you from doing other things with it. Caldari will be the best Hunter-Killer, like it will be with it's other suits (exception of Logi, which will be best for restocking ammo), Gallentes are best at CQC, no matter the class, and Minmatar are the fastest, no matter the class. Amarr will just be the strongest combatants. Nothing more or less than that was my point. And, like I said, the bonus doesn't fit with the philosophy.

Remember, Amarr fight for their God, they fight on the front for that reason. Caldari are utilitarian, so they are longer range, as it's more efficient (not effective, but efficient), Gallente prefer being personal, so they will be, and are, the kings of CQC, and Minmatar use hit-and-run, skirmishing tactics, and thus are the fastest suits for that. One-on-one, Min wins, more than that, Amarr will win. Long-range, Caldari wins, up close, Gallente reigns supreme.

TL;DR: Amarr are fighters, Caldari are snipers (not the class, the playstyle), Gallentes are CQC, and Minmatar are skirmishers.

you're just better suited than the other scouts to combat

You're presenting an argument without any substance. Lore can be whatever the devs say, it has no baring on game mechanics. So I want you to address your thesis.



Please back that statement up with facts and reasons, not equivocation and lore. Why are the Amarr scouts better fighters than Gallente Scouts?

First just looking at the suits themselves the Amarr are (a) lacking in native armor regen and (b) 4% slower. They recieve a 30 EHP buff total. Does 30 extra hit points make them better at combat? Arguable. And certainly not so self apparent that you can just make a blanket statement and expect everyone to agree with you.

Next, look at the racial bonuses. Gallente get extra scan range, and extra dampening. Amarr get extra stamina and extra stamina regen. Everyone knows that the Gal bonus is complex level and the Am bonus is militia level. It's the source of most of the Amarr scout hate. But anyway, how exactly does extra stamina help them in a fight? Unless you are using melee, it doesn't. And its not like bunny hopping in a slower suit is any better than strafing in a faster suit

If we are being honest with each other, dampening doesnt help with a fight either. It helps immediately before or immediately after, but if you are actively being shot at, a dampening bonus is worthless. So it's not like Gal is "better" here, but they certainly aren't worse at combat than the Amarr. What the Gal scout will be better at is picking its fights. To the casual observer, it will seem like Gal scouts win more often because they get to control engagements better. Cal scouts and Scanner Logis will be picking your Amarr scout up all the time. Gal scouts at least avoid that nonsense.

In the end, you have a scout without a niche. Saying it's "combat" oriented because of a few HP isn't correct. Even Min scout is more combat because he gets a legitimate bonus to a weapon. Amarr have a little bit more defense, at the expense of health regen and speed. Reload bonus, damage bonus, clip size bonus, weapon fitting bonus...these are all things that would enhance a "combat specialist" persona. They are not on the Amarr scout.

Lore DOES matter, though. I say these things because the lore is what drew me. That being said, I agree with your points. With a better bonus, one that's combat oriented, it would fall in line. As it is, it is a joke. I said THAT, too. When I said that Amarr are the better fighters, I meant the other suits are better suited. If the Amarr Scout had a better bonus, it would fit into that.

Here is my reasoning: Amarr Assault has a laser weapon heat sink.
Amarr logi has a sidearm.
Amarr Sentinel has the best tank.
Amarr Commando is, well, IDK, really, but only because I don't want to look up the bonus at the moment.

With those facts, it stands to reason that Amarr Scout would follow the same path. So it's not JUST the lore, but the other suits.

Can I get your lore sources that state our combat doctrine oriented as you say? I would also like sources from EVE ships that point out how our specialist ships cannot functions effectively in their roles and are more inclined towards direct combat.

Adamance, my friend, you and I know that the EVE ships have 2-3 bonuses, while we just have 2.... And as for Lore, Templar One. The original was MADE to fight on the frontlines.

I worked these out at protofits and i gotta say, i don't think the amarr scout is as bad as people are making it out to be. I posted this in another topic but it seemed relevant to bring it into this one.
I used the same weapon and equipment loadouts for each and tried to squeeze out as much ehp as i could out of the suits while giving them about the same ground speed.

Minmatar assault (within cpu and pg constraints) 404 cpu 78 pg
2 complex extenders
1 basic extender
1 complex plate
1 enhanced plate
Proto CR, SMG, flux and triage nanohive

795 ehp
4.88 m/s run speed

Amarr scout (within cpu and pg constraints) 436 cpu 89 pg
2 complex extenders
1 complex plate
1 enhanced plate
1 complex ferroscale plate
1 basic ferroscale plate
Same weapon/equipment loadout

823 ehp
4.84 m/s run speed

lol @ the amarr scout being a better assault suit than the minmatar assault, and it can get even beefier while still maintaining assault speeds.

Your missing the point, my GK0 has barely 300 HP on these fits

Speed fit

2xcomp kins/2x range
Comp cardio /profile damp
Comp shield/percision /comp damage
comp reactive plate
Sg /remotes/scp/smg

Shield 87/160
Armor around 220
Regen 2hp

I can mimic this fit with a AK and almost have the same base HP before I fit it, I can run a rep instead of a plate and still have the same HP and a faster rep rate than the5 HP from the gal passive an the reactive, use two speeds and a range, use the cloak as my damp and use a shield or two and or percision or make the exact same fits and have more HP .

So yea it's a fighter what it lacks in stealth it makes up in beefyness!

It's the ultimate shotgun scout, when you make a scout u add mods that add to its bonuses, if you put a complex plate, rep, two reds or red green or whatever else you can go heavy hunting no problem, if you wanna evade and hide your playstyle doesn't fit the Amar because that's not how amar fight.

Their armor fighters and slower with more stamina, so if you want E war you can do it but those aren't the suits strengths, take it or leave it and go gallente .

My point is I dont think you can justify why the Amarr scout fulfils an assault role as opposed to a scout role?

You neither have lore evidence or knowledge like I can expect from other players, you are basing your assessment off of what? Some arbitrary knowledge you think you possess and are entitled to after playing this game for X months?

Have you even looked into Amarr combat doctrines and historical precedents of such combat doctrines?

Why even build a scout that isnt designed to scout?

Adamance, I will find a few later and post them. Is that ok, my friend?

I worked these out at protofits and i gotta say, i don't think the amarr scout is as bad as people are making it out to be. I posted this in another topic but it seemed relevant to bring it into this one.
I used the same weapon and equipment loadouts for each and tried to squeeze out as much ehp as i could out of the suits while giving them about the same ground speed.

Minmatar assault (within cpu and pg constraints) 404 cpu 78 pg
2 complex extenders
1 basic extender
1 complex plate
1 enhanced plate
Proto CR, SMG, flux and triage nanohive

795 ehp
4.88 m/s run speed

Amarr scout (within cpu and pg constraints) 436 cpu 89 pg
2 complex extenders
1 complex plate
1 enhanced plate
1 complex ferroscale plate
1 basic ferroscale plate
Same weapon/equipment loadout

823 ehp
4.84 m/s run speed

lol @ the amarr scout being a better assault suit than the minmatar assault, and it can get even beefier while still maintaining assault speeds.

Why is it the fighter? Why does it not truely adequately fulfil the role and design of a scout?

If you were in my position looking at the scouts and you see

calidari be best recon
amarr fighting
gal stealth
minitar speed

Do you not wonder why Amarr are getting marginalised into a race of assault suits?

So in what world does a prot minmatar assault have a 3/2 slot layout? I only ask this because apparently you used a proto amarr scout.

If you were actually trying to be at least a tiny bit impartial, you would use a proto assault, or basic assault and basic scout. either or.

Actually after looking at your fits further... wtf are you on drugs?

My point is I dont think you can justify why the Amarr scout fulfils an assault role as opposed to a scout role?

You neither have lore evidence or knowledge like I can expect from other players, you are basing your assessment off of what? Some arbitrary knowledge you think you possess and are entitled to after playing this game for X months?

Have you even looked into Amarr combat doctrines and historical precedents of such combat doctrines?

Why even build a scout that isnt designed to scout?

I couldn't fit any more modules on the minmatar due to cpu/pg restraints, from what i hear about minmatar suits on the forums this isn't uncommon. i could've fit more modules if i used lesser weapons and equipment but i don't think that would've taken away from my point.

So yeah i did use a proto assault, and maybe the next time you could be less of a idckhole and ask instead of just assuming and getting butthurt at someone's forum post.

lol, i could give a ufck what you think about the fits, the point was about ehp and groundspeed.

gal-speed
gal-stealth
gal-eHP
gal-fittings
cal-scanning
am-long distance running
min-being killed

gal-speed
gal-stealth
gal-eHP
gal-fittings
cal-scanning
am-long distance running
min-being killed

I think it's like this:

Cal = scan master
Min = hacker/blademaster
Gal = ghost (master baiter, if you will)
Amarr = passed over

That's it.

Amarr isn't that great at fighting guys. People need to stop thinking this way. They get 30 more health than the Gal or Cal Scout. T-H-I-R-T-Y. You can up that to 37.5 with full on core skills. They also get the same exact slot loadout as the Gal scout, so any brick you put on the Amarr you can match on the Gal, guaranteed.

So you have a scout that gets 37.5 more brick that runs slower. Ok, maybe that's a fine trade off. But also consider that the Gal Scout gets a permanent 3hp/s armor regen while Amarr does not. Why does the scout with the least shield, the slowest shield regen, the most armor, and no armor rep get to be called the "Warrior Scout"? Amarr's will be the ones hurting the most after an engagement, going to look for rep hives or a logi.

Gal scouts, for just a little less HP get to heal to full every time, and are invisible enough to run away and hide. Cal scouts get the shield buffer, so if you don't damage their armor at all they will also heal to full rather quickly.

Why are you tanking your Scout out? That wastes the suit and makes no sense.