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zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 240	Posted - 2014.03.18 13:36:00 - [91] - Quote In CQC... HMG > AR AR > Other rifles SG scout can own all in CQC with skill/cover/dampening/scanner nerf/flux Other rifles > HMG when maintaining range/flanking It generally will take more than one gun to take down a heavy holding a point, but it has nothing to do with teamwork. Once you know where the heavy is and start picking away at it others in the area will naturally join in until it goes down. That's the heavy's weakness. It can't pick its battles. If it tries to retreat to a better position it'll just get shot in the back. If it tries to flank a position it'll find a whole new situation when it gets there. That's exactly where assaults shine. A squad of assaults will generally overpower a squad of heavies due to being able to pin them down, predict their behavior, and flank them.
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 368	Posted - 2014.03.18 13:43:00 - [92] - Quote Christ you medium frames are stupid, whiny poofters. HMG is not OP in 1.7, it will not be OP in 1.8. Sentinels are not going to be OP in 1.8. This is not Zerg 514. Learn2tactics. Amadi I'm going to kick you so hard you get a fatal error again for posting a **** thread like this.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5843	Posted - 2014.03.18 13:47:00 - [93] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Grog no like logic Grog call man stupid Grog hit man Grog Smart Beats chest AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Hollow M Ling Pro Hic Immortalis 39	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:03:00 - [94] - Quote Welp I haven't been on these forums in months and people want the HMG nerfed again....Fine looks like in 1.8 I'll give my Heavy an RR. If all us Heavies don't use the HMG in 1.8 it can't get called op so it can't get nerfed
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 496	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:08:00 - [95] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Christ you medium frames are stupid, whiny poofters. HMG is not OP in 1.7, it will not be OP in 1.8. Sentinels are not going to be OP in 1.8. This is not Zerg 514. Learn2tactics. Amadi I'm going to kick you so hard you get a fatal error again for posting a **** thread like this. Your post is a total fail. Yes, the heavy HMG combo is not OP now, it is in an extremely nicely balanced position. But, on paper the 1.8 HMG heavy is getting a dose load of resistances with no HMG damage reduction while nearly all other light weapons are getting a reduction. The complex damage reduction is reducing the HMG's damage, but the resistances more than cancel that out, so there is a valid concern over them becoming OP post 1.8. I'm very much in the camp of wait and see as we haven't got all the change details, and aswell, until we actually get to play 1.8 we can't be sure. The fear of having nearly entire teams made up of heavies post 1.8 is not an issue yet for me as most Scimish maps only have one or two sockets that heavies can lock done, with mediums etc. being able to control the other points. A few sockets that are in Dom and Tankbush will be a different story, but again, we won't now exactly how it will work until we get to dig into 1.8.
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 496	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:11:00 - [96] - Quote Hollow M Ling wrote: Welp I haven't been on these forums in months and people want the HMG nerfed again....Fine looks like in 1.8 I'll give my Heavy an RR. If all us Heavies don't use the HMG in 1.8 it can't get called op so it can't get nerfed You're late to the party with your Railrifle heavy, but there's a big group of them there already to welcome you to the fold. I'll welcome you with my HMG when ya step just a bit closer
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 759	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:12:00 - [97] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: In CQC... HMG > AR AR > Other rifles SG scout can own all in CQC with skill/cover/dampening/scanner nerf/flux Other rifles > HMG when maintaining range/flanking It generally will take more than one gun to take down a heavy holding a point, but it has nothing to do with teamwork. Once you know where the heavy is and start picking away at it others in the area will naturally join in until it goes down. That's the heavy's weakness. It can't pick its battles. If it tries to retreat to a better position it'll just get shot in the back. If it tries to flank a position it'll find a whole new situation when it gets there. That's exactly where assaults shine. A squad of assaults will generally overpower a squad of heavies due to being able to pin them down, predict their behavior, and flank them. HMG > AR = true thats now the case and I don't really see the relative buff for the HMG necessary AR > Other rifles = you must clearly have a different AR. Its more: Other rifles > AR SG scout can own all in CQC = this is tricky unless you have superior gun game or get clearly the drop on an enemy the SG sucks. HD issues and a skill that makes SG use harder aren't helping the same is for the relative low damage. The SG is barely able to OHK anything besides scout suits for an untanked heavy you need at least three shots (at least 4 for a highly tanked heavy, thats plenty of time to kill a scout, for a slightly tanked medium suit you will need two shots (for a heavy tanked med frame three as well)
Hollow M Ling Pro Hic Immortalis 40	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:18:00 - [98] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Hollow M Ling wrote: Welp I haven't been on these forums in months and people want the HMG nerfed again....Fine looks like in 1.8 I'll give my Heavy an RR. If all us Heavies don't use the HMG in 1.8 it can't get called op so it can't get nerfed You're late to the party with your Railrifle heavy, but there's a big group of them there already to welcome you to the fold. I'll welcome you with my HMG when ya step just a bit closer Oh sure, but first can you just wait for me behind this supply depo I need to pick up an ol' friend
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 497	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:28:00 - [99] - Quote Hollow M Ling wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Hollow M Ling wrote: Welp I haven't been on these forums in months and people want the HMG nerfed again....Fine looks like in 1.8 I'll give my Heavy an RR. If all us Heavies don't use the HMG in 1.8 it can't get called op so it can't get nerfed You're late to the party with your Railrifle heavy, but there's a big group of them there already to welcome you to the fold. I'll welcome you with my HMG when ya step just a bit closer Oh sure, but first can you just wait for me behind this supply depo I need to pick up an ol' friend Nay a bother, but ya might miss me when ya come back due to my rapid switch to my cloaked scout
noob cavman Expert Intervention Caldari State 807	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:31:00 - [100] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Hollow M Ling wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Hollow M Ling wrote: Welp I haven't been on these forums in months and people want the HMG nerfed again....Fine looks like in 1.8 I'll give my Heavy an RR. If all us Heavies don't use the HMG in 1.8 it can't get called op so it can't get nerfed You're late to the party with your Railrifle heavy, but there's a big group of them there already to welcome you to the fold. I'll welcome you with my HMG when ya step just a bit closer Oh sure, but first can you just wait for me behind this supply depo I need to pick up an ol' friend Nay a bother, but ya might miss me when ya come back due to my rapid switch to my cloaked scout your not ment to be skinny ox XD I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy

Hollow M Ling Pro Hic Immortalis 41	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:33:00 - [101] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Hollow M Ling wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Hollow M Ling wrote: Welp I haven't been on these forums in months and people want the HMG nerfed again....Fine looks like in 1.8 I'll give my Heavy an RR. If all us Heavies don't use the HMG in 1.8 it can't get called op so it can't get nerfed You're late to the party with your Railrifle heavy, but there's a big group of them there already to welcome you to the fold. I'll welcome you with my HMG when ya step just a bit closer Oh sure, but first can you just wait for me behind this supply depo I need to pick up an ol' friend Nay a bother, but ya might miss me when ya come back due to my rapid switch to my cloaked scout Sure it sounds like it will make a fun game of catch, oh I got a flux grenade we can use as a ball
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 498	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:41:00 - [102] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Hollow M Ling wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Hollow M Ling wrote: Welp I haven't been on these forums in months and people want the HMG nerfed again....Fine looks like in 1.8 I'll give my Heavy an RR. If all us Heavies don't use the HMG in 1.8 it can't get called op so it can't get nerfed You're late to the party with your Railrifle heavy, but there's a big group of them there already to welcome you to the fold. I'll welcome you with my HMG when ya step just a bit closer Oh sure, but first can you just wait for me behind this supply depo I need to pick up an ol' friend Nay a bother, but ya might miss me when ya come back due to my rapid switch to my cloaked scout your not ment to be skinny ox XD What? Have ya not seen the Gal heavy's head? The shine coming off that forehead will be my new secret weapon. I'll be flanking a group to have the sun in my face when I attack, and they'll be blinded by the the glorious rays off my headbutt machine. Praise the sun Edit - Damn, I read shiny rather than skinny. ANyhow, with the distance I've run in the last 18 months I'm so thin I've been rattling around in my fat suit for two long. Time to get something more snug
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 498	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:42:00 - [103] - Quote Hollow M Ling wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Hollow M Ling wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Hollow M Ling wrote: Welp I haven't been on these forums in months and people want the HMG nerfed again....Fine looks like in 1.8 I'll give my Heavy an RR. If all us Heavies don't use the HMG in 1.8 it can't get called op so it can't get nerfed You're late to the party with your Railrifle heavy, but there's a big group of them there already to welcome you to the fold. I'll welcome you with my HMG when ya step just a bit closer Oh sure, but first can you just wait for me behind this supply depo I need to pick up an ol' friend Nay a bother, but ya might miss me when ya come back due to my rapid switch to my cloaked scout Sure it sounds like it will make a fun game of catch, oh I got a flux grenade we can use as a ball Lol, how about a plasma ball instead. Fluxes are so yesterday
noob cavman Expert Intervention Caldari State 810	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:43:00 - [104] - Quote Your back looks like a glory hole collection brah! Im gonna die thanks to laughing to much at that back! I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 498	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:46:00 - [105] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Your back looks like a glory hole collection brah! Im gonna die thanks to laughing to much at that back! Lol, I want prox chat so I can get some warning from your giggling before ya detonate a quad remote stack. I edited my last post by the way. My reading comprehension sucked.
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 35	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:49:00 - [106] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: If point defense is all Sentinels could do...fine, but lets face the facts people have been using LAVs and other means to get around the heavy role forever and make it basically the most powerful infantry suit off an on since closed beta. Thus we have the cycle of heavy nerfs and buffs. lol heavies cant get into lavs or havs cause they are to fat would be brilliant and prevent hmgs jumping out to kill vulnerable infantry unfairly Blood flows. Death comes. War rages. Maths is OP. It is all those numbers that kills you. Forum Warrior lvl 0.02
noob cavman Expert Intervention Caldari State 811	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:51:00 - [107] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: noob cavman wrote: Your back looks like a glory hole collection brah! Im gonna die thanks to laughing to much at that back! Lol, I want prox chat so I can get some warning from your giggling before ya detonate a quad remote stack. I edited my last post by the way. My reading comprehension sucked. With my shotty being rof nerfed(?) Im just gonna stab then bolt pistol. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 634	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:55:00 - [108] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: How would you counter 16 heavies? Grab the high ground and KILL THEM. 3d Map are 3d for a reason. and watch them spawn in base and lose all the letters. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2505	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:55:00 - [109] - Quote TBH... CCP really needs to keep a close eye on the Heavy and the HMG in 1.8 Current 1.7: Unless you're a heavy yourself, you should never engage a heavy in 1v1 duel (How it should be IMO). However, if you see a heavy with its back exposed , then by all means go for it. 1.8 Expectulation I was already worried about the resist, but the damage mod/ rifle nerf is just too much. Furthermore, the HMG is already a powerful force to be reckoned with. I just can't see how the heavy role will not be broken in 1.8 lol. My SP GAP carries me.
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 498	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:57:00 - [110] - Quote SPESHULz wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: If point defense is all Sentinels could do...fine, but lets face the facts people have been using LAVs and other means to get around the heavy role forever and make it basically the most powerful infantry suit off an on since closed beta. Thus we have the cycle of heavy nerfs and buffs. lol heavies cant get into lavs or havs cause they are to fat would be brilliant and prevent hmgs jumping out to kill vulnerable infantry unfairly I'm happy with the LAVs and heavies, and honestly, it's not because I'm a heavy and am a bit addicted to anything that helps me move faster than a waddle For dropships and HAVs I'd love if only light suits were able to pilot them. The same concept as most armed forces where pilots need to be within certain size parameters to suit the vehicle design. Since we are all genetically designed for our roles, making a pilot skinny as feck so as to allow more space for the vehicle's gear sounds good.

ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2509	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:01:00 - [111] - Quote Jastad wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: How would you counter 16 heavies? Grab the high ground and KILL THEM. 3d Map are 3d for a reason. and watch them spawn in base and lose all the letters. Classic example of a what is wrong with General Discussion and 90% of posters that participate in. When you think balance, you think Pubs. Now before you post again think of these three critical things: 1. Objective based game modes 2. Point defense 3. What is the Heavies role in Dust 514? My SP GAP carries me.
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 498	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:03:00 - [112] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: TBH... CCP really needs to keep a close eye on the Heavy and the HMG in 1.8 Current 1.7: Unless you're a heavy yourself, you should never engage a heavy in 1v1 duel (How it should be IMO). However, if you see a heavy with its back exposed , then by all means go for it. 1.8 Expectulation I was already worried about the resist, but the damage mod/ rifle nerf is just too much. Furthermore, the HMG is already a powerful force to be reckoned with. I just can't see how the heavy role will not be broken in 1.8 lol. Yeh, hopefully if there is an issue they'll step up with changes fast. Lol, what am I saying. On the thing of engaging a heavy in optimal only if you're a heavy I find it too black and white. It's the same as HAVs. Unless the player is an idiot they should never engage a HAV/heavy in their optimal face to face, as the HAV/heavy should always win unless they suck. But there is nothing wrong with engaging to their side or back and get those headshots in before taking cover and repositioning and/or allowing somebody else to blindside them.
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 35	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:04:00 - [113] - Quote Im a heavy to. I just love being called fat and then eating everything with hmg. If we cant jump over the 20cm ledges how are we going to climb into a lav. Blood flows. Death comes. War rages. Maths is OP. It is all those numbers that kills you. Forum Warrior lvl 0.02
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 498	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:08:00 - [114] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: noob cavman wrote: Your back looks like a glory hole collection brah! Im gonna die thanks to laughing to much at that back! Lol, I want prox chat so I can get some warning from your giggling before ya detonate a quad remote stack. I edited my last post by the way. My reading comprehension sucked. With my shotty being rof nerfed(?) Im just gonna stab then bolt pistol. I'm still unconvinced that the prof of the SG is getting changed as I haven't seen anything to say so from CCP. All that has been said is that damage that used to be applied across the board to all damage types due to prof was getting changed to a single damage type aside from nova knives. Since the SG is the only one with a different prof. and I'm presuming/hoping it'll be left as is, the same as is. I actually want the shotgun to stay as nasty as it is, even if it does mean more deaths for me
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5848	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:11:00 - [115] - Quote Jastad wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: How would you counter 16 heavies? Grab the high ground and KILL THEM. 3d Map are 3d for a reason. and watch them spawn in base and lose all the letters. So you expect me to believe that a team with 16 heavies won't carry at least 1 Forge Gun to prevent people from grabbing the high ground? AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2172	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:12:00 - [116] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QM1eTAwOYc trailer for 1.8
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 498	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:27:00 - [117] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jastad wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: How would you counter 16 heavies? Grab the high ground and KILL THEM. 3d Map are 3d for a reason. and watch them spawn in base and lose all the letters. So you expect me to believe that a team with 16 heavies won't carry at least 1 Forge Gun to prevent people from grabbing the high ground? I think that too many people that used a forge at sometime for AP were to reliant on splash and have never gotten to experience the pleasure of proper direct fire Forge gunning poor little infantry into oblivion. With a bit of patience to get a target to settle for a second, seeing that forge shot pound them into a red smear is sublime I don't do on my main alot as I prefer to get close with my HMG, but I do it alot on my alts as it's more easily accesable with low SP. As to the potential 16 heavy red berry team, there are only a few instances where they would have control. A few Sirm and Dom map layouts would be an issue, but in the most part there are null cannons to suit all styles. And if people have a solid core then they should have a basic HMG heavy setup to help with such scenarios. And if it's a bunch of high spec heavies with a map that suits them with only basics/nothing on your side, well, tough luck. People have got to accept that in the randomness of pubs we'll have some combos will always beat others. PC and stacked FW will be the proper litmus test though. Fun times ahead.
alten hilt DUST University Ivy League 106	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:11:00 - [118] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: SPESHULz wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: If point defense is all Sentinels could do...fine, but lets face the facts people have been using LAVs and other means to get around the heavy role forever and make it basically the most powerful infantry suit off an on since closed beta. Thus we have the cycle of heavy nerfs and buffs. lol heavies cant get into lavs or havs cause they are to fat would be brilliant and prevent hmgs jumping out to kill vulnerable infantry unfairly I'm happy with the LAVs and heavies, and honestly, it's not because I'm a heavy and am a bit addicted to anything that helps me move faster than a waddle For dropships and HAVs I'd love if only light suits were able to pilot them. The same concept as most armed forces where pilots need to be within certain size parameters to suit the vehicle design. Since we are all genetically designed for our roles, making a pilot skinny as feck so as to allow more space for the vehicle's gear sounds good. I would be fine with heavies and LAV's if there was an enter/exit animation that accounted for size. The instant pop in and pop out is BS. Ever tried bailing from a hummer in full battle rattle?
Rusty Shallows 1153	Posted - 2014.03.18 21:08:00 - [119] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Damage mods are still getting nerfed. And proficiency. You seriously can't do anything with just a HMG. I want to say 99% of heavies use damage mods. Shouldn't be that bad. I never use damage mods yet I instakill Just admit it Jerrmy you have mad-skillZ. Shayz isn't kidding you. A complex damage mod is a required fitting for anyone taking the Fatty Path. We had players go to the middle of the Basic Heavy Frames so they could fit two. The Advanced Sentinel Frame was les effective than the Basic Frame version, let that one sink in for a minute. To think some people called me crazy for never spending SP in Dropsuit Command. Who's laughing now? Bwahahahhahaha. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5278	Posted - 2014.03.18 22:32:00 - [120] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Christ you medium frames are stupid, whiny poofters. HMG is not OP in 1.7, it will not be OP in 1.8. Sentinels are not going to be OP in 1.8. This is not Zerg 514. Learn2tactics. Amadi I'm going to kick you so hard you get a fatal error again for posting a ** thread like this. I never said it was -going- to be OP, I said that I was worried about it. In big ole letters right in the subject line and title text of the thread. In fact, by default, it's the very first thing you read before even seeing the rest of the thread. Worry does not constitute a definitive take. I'm going to be watching everything very very closely but logic would dictate that what is fine now is going to be a problem later when changes are made. Even you cannot deny this. SPESHULz wrote:** Im a heavy to. I just love being called fat and then eating everything with hmg. If we cant jump over the 20cm ledges how are we going to climb into a lav. So much logic it honestly hurts EDIT: Addendum, calling it now but we'll probably see a resurgence of the Heavy/Commando black screen at supply depots/spawning. Will repost this as a new thread indicating that I, in fact, called it, if it happens. If it doesn't, consider yourselves blessed that I set myself up for manifest destiny when it did not occur. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182



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