A MLT tank is dirt cheap compared to a dropsuit. That alone is something of an issue.

Yea but infantry doesnt like it when a tank is a tank, they like it when its a coffin on wheels

Also the armor point is moot anyways, we dont have angles/armor thickness or penetration values for the AV we have let alone the hulls

Its future tech



This quote here is bang on the money

Right now small crew or 1-3, camera drones we have to see outside the tank, support crew to maintain could be another vehicle when we had remote armor/shield reppers for vehicles which we on LAV or another tank which was weaker

Last line is DUST right now

It should take multiple direct AV to take a tank down, but at the same time, it should take multiple people in a tank to take infantry out.

What I mean is the Large Turret shifts focus from being AI (currently they are AI focused while being decent with AV) to being AV. Than a tank must rely on gunners (small turrets) for AI capabilities.

And currently, infantry do sneak up with RE's and blow tanks up Saving Private Ryan style. More than once I've said WTF just happend, only to realize it was no doubt RE's and one sneaky as infantryman. (hint, wait for hardeners to drop before detonating, or I get out of my tank to shoot RE's, had that happen a time or two lol.)

Yeah it was me who found that Tank information and posted it

But you've missed some key points

On that other thread i referred to a quote that a Tanks main turrets are primarily Anti Vehicle and very rarely if ever are they fitted with an anti infantry weapon, they sometimes have side guns that provide some form of anti infantry but the main turret is pretty much designed to take down other Tanks .. Large Blaster Turrets are what causes the major unbalance between Tanks and infantry .. to gain some anti infantry capabilities Tanks should have to fit a side gun and have a gunner

I also referred to a quote about 1 Tank alone v a group of infantry is a sitting duck as the infantry can get behind it and surround it and use things like molotov cocktails/grenades on the top of the tank to kill the people manning it or blow it's engine up, they can also attack the tracks to stop to moving .. we have none of this in dust and 1 Tank can pop hardeners on and drive into the middle of infantry and kill them with impunity

Really infantry need things like Electric Shock grenades that render a vehicles electronics (modules) unusable and stop it being able to move .. think of a sticky grenade that would require the tanker/his crew to get out of the tank to remove it before its modules would begin to work again .. infantry would have to get really close to attach it but in CQC infantry should be able to do things like this v Tanks

Personally I don't think a Tank should be used to kill infantry with its main turret as a primary role .. that is what APC/MAVs are for .. infantry carriers with light weaponry to kill enemy infantry ..

That's the whole problem though, infantry don't know what they're doing, and have been badly spoiled by OP swarms.

Yeah the problem is infantry don't know what we're doing, no the fact that hardeners last too long, or can be stacked or that tanks are just too fast. Look, I'm the very definition of a scrub tanker, I have 0 SP invested and I suck at driving vehicles in this or any game. Yet if I pull out a militia tank my only fears are: a real tank, a good forge gunner, or my own stupidity. That sums up the problem right there, yet we need scrubs with militia tanks because now swarms are so UP. That's what you get when you change 2 variables at the same time with apparently zero testing I suppose.

So, another one complaining that MLT gear is cheap.

To the people saying "irl it takes a crew to drive a tank" well guess what! A single person can control a 16km long ship in the eve universe!!! How cool is that? It's also called computer assisted controls :D

To op: It's the madrugar that has the insane gun depression. Gunnlogi can't shoot infantry that get too close.

Price, name, and description doesn't matter, it's the role.

What we have is suit "A" and suit "B" that are competing directly for the same game role: slaying infantry.

Suit "A" is faster than suit "B". Suit "A" has an order more magnitude eHP than suit "B". Suit "A" can carry a gun that puts out an order of magnitude more DPS then suit "B". Suit "A" has a natural resistance to most any weapon carried by suit "B". Those weapons it is vulnerable to gimp the user when going up against other users of suit "B".

Suit "A" does have a vastly larger hitbox, but it's got immunity from most weapons as compensation, and has hardeners and extra speed to get out of dodge when needed.

So one would be foolish to choose suit "B" for that role. The only thing keeping people from choosing suit "A" before was high cost, but that's gone.

I'm actually surprised that I don't see suit "A" being used by everyone in Ambush where there is no other role than slaying infantry. It makes me think that players are being foolish or stubborn rather than optimizing their chances.

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You wanted the changes. Why aren't you happy with them?

change is good when it changes small things over time changing every thing at 1 time was stupid

That last part gives me an idea.

Slow down the acceleration for HAVs, and don't let blasters aim quite as low as they can now.
On top of that, give us some way to drag the driver out once we're touching the HAV.

Let them stay death machines, but this would force them to rely on infantry and gunners to protect them from infantry.
AV weaponry could be given some different aspects along with this, but I don't have a clear idea as to what yet.

loldrag the driver out

Next you will be asking for a window for the driver

loldrag the driver out

Next you will be asking for a window for the driver

loldrag the driver out

Next you will be asking for a window for the driver

That last part gives me an idea.

Slow down the acceleration for HAVs, and don't let blasters aim quite as low as they can now.
On top of that, give us some way to drag the driver out once we're touching the HAV.

Let them stay death machines, but this would force them to rely on infantry and gunners to protect them from infantry.
AV weaponry could be given some different aspects along with this, but I don't have a clear idea as to what yet.

Name them

The ignorance and irony in this post is so god damn hilarious
You know lets ignore the view ports in real tanks since hey future tanks probably have cameras for visibility
But hey, why dont our flux grenades screw up those cameras, just makes sense doesnt it
and why should we be able to drag a scrubby little tank driver out and kill him, I mean those hatches have to be locked right
Oh wait, you mean to tell me that all of our suits come equipped with the gear we need to hack turrets, null cannons, and CRU's so a piddly little lock would get hacked just as easily


Man, countering your arguments and attempts at sarcasm with my own is as easy as teasing a cat with a laser pointer and Im not even a very witty guy

That last part gives me an idea.

Slow down the acceleration for HAVs, and don't let blasters aim quite as low as they can now.
On top of that, give us some way to drag the driver out once we're touching the HAV.

Let them stay death machines, but this would force them to rely on infantry and gunners to protect them from infantry.
AV weaponry could be given some different aspects along with this, but I don't have a clear idea as to what yet.

We're in sealed pods (probably) inside the HAV. I doubt you could get inside of it and drag me out of it. And they don't need to stay as is; they are broken. Also, try fitting smalls on a HAV (with a still good tank), and then get a good crew to go with you. Doubt you'll do both.

We're in sealed pods (probably) inside the HAV. I doubt you could get inside of it and drag me out of it. And they don't need to stay as is; they are broken. Also, try fitting smalls on a HAV (with a still good tank), and then get a good crew to go with you. Doubt you'll do both.

Yes, agreed for slower acceleration, but I want to say, keep the top speed.

Same with gun depression, a tank simply shouldn't be able to shoot infantry right beside his tank. It's a LARGE TURRET after all, not an AR, mounted to the top there. This creates a safe zone directly by the tank where an infantryman can stand and apply damage mostly carefree of the main gun. This truly makes it difficult to play against infantry.

As I drive a gunnlogi, which has gun depression as you have described. And on the side I drive a madrudger, which can aim it turret all the way down to the ground. I always get far more kills with the madruger against infantry than I do with my gunnlogi, yet my madruger is mostly just advanced mods and turret.

What a difference that gun depression makes with blasters. Without it, you can't shoot enemies within something like 10 to 15 meters from you, as your turret sits higher than infantry (and it can only go level, and no further down). You need distance when you and infantry are on level ground. That's why a madrudger is ALWAYS best for blastin infantry. They would STILL be best with railguns if it wasn't for damage mods being so CPU heavy (because of gun depression).

You would say to yourself, "Oh, we already have two tanks on the field, I'll go infantry because I'm not needed in a tank.".

Me being an Honor Tanker.