Tanks were originally designed to break through enemy trenches. They are still mainly for area of effect bombardment, infiltration as well as covering larger distances quicker while protected.

In other words, a general blunt instrument vs. precision attack of infantry.

I used to hate tanks in the Marines. I always thought, "How come they are so much better than me? They are just scrubs who don't want to fight like me and be a "man" with all my manly squishiness. I should be able to be as invulnerable as them. They shouldn't be able to just one shot obliterate all before them. I'm sad. Saddy sad sad. Sniff, sniff."

In RL infantry fears tanks. In this game infantry fears tanks. I believe CCP captured the essence of that relationship perfectly.

Lol, gun depression. When it comes to infantry, you got that right!

It seems to me that it is you, rather than the infantry who first stepped up to derail what could otherwise be an intelligent conversation.


DUST tanks are weakest in the back around the engine block. They are also weak on the sides around the treads.

No kidding really!? Hey its tankers that continually say it should take multiple AVers to take them out which is just as silly am argument. Also ass the OP pointed out tanks should be feared but also have to fear being flanked by infantry or infantry getting close enough to sticky bomb them all Saving Private Ryan style. Right now our triple hardener stacked tanks have virtually boo weaknesses to infantry and that is the problem.

The point at the back is just that a point

We dont have armor thickness values or penetration values for AV, you can t knock of the treads or damage the gun

If i get a shot with my breach on the weakspot i 1 shot all the HAVs with no hardeners on, with a hardener on i easy get 50% of the tanks total HP or there abouts

Now you can do this with a FG or even a lolPLC but you cant with swarms since they lock on to 1 point and 1 point early

@Fox - infantry cry over it being a tank, the infantry in the article cry over it being a tank, i might aswell get the obv out of the way that infantry hates tanks as they are in DUST

what i havent seen is in real life it only takes 1 hit to kill a tank most times
if you were to relate dust tanks to real life tanks
which is the A1 Abrams?
which is a sherman?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank
go read up on real tanks and how they are used in a real battle
However, as effective and advanced as armour plating has become, tank survivability against newer-generation tandem-warhead anti-tank missiles is a concern for military planners.[54] For example, the RPG-29 from 1980s is able to penetrate the frontal hull armour of the Challenger II[55][56] and also managed to damage a M1 Abrams.[57]
so tell me why the av in dust is so far behind the tanks?

When tanks can willingly reduce the number of engaged hostile AV users to only 1 at a time, then you might have a point.

You don't have a point, and sound quite absurd because of the fact that tanks will always be engaged by multiple people at once. Just being in a tank already causes the attention of every player within a 100 meter radius to look in your direction. In other words, 1v1 is impossible unless the infantry being targeted is running alone for some unknown reason. Once spotted, the only way for a tank to lose the attention of a combatant is to speed away.

Dropsuits on the other hand can sneak around, or simply run straight up to an enemy and engage 1v1 whenever they feel like it. Albeit a quick blurb over comms can quickly end the 1v1, but it is possible for infantry to get such a situation, and then retreat by cover and loose any pursuant.

Also, I hear a lot of people rant and rave over "triple hardeners" when most fits cannot afford more than 2, only a shield tank might have three, but the limit of hardeners is 2 per health type due to slot and stat constraints.

Can you detail the slot uses of these "Triple hardeners"?

That last part gives me an idea.

Slow down the acceleration for HAVs, and don't let blasters aim quite as low as they can now.
On top of that, give us some way to drag the driver out once we're touching the HAV.

Let them stay death machines, but this would force them to rely on infantry and gunners to protect them from infantry.
AV weaponry could be given some different aspects along with this, but I don't have a clear idea as to what yet.

The ignorance and irony in this post is so god damn hilarious
You know lets ignore the view ports in real tanks since hey future tanks probably have cameras for visibility
But hey, why dont our flux grenades screw up those cameras, just makes sense doesnt it
and why should we be able to drag a scrubby little tank driver out and kill him, I mean those hatches have to be locked right
Oh wait, you mean to tell me that all of our suits come equipped with the gear we need to hack turrets, null cannons, and CRU's so a piddly little lock would get hacked just as easily


Man, countering your arguments and attempts at sarcasm with my own is as easy as teasing a cat with a laser pointer and Im not even a very witty guy

We're in sealed pods (probably) inside the HAV. I doubt you could get inside of it and drag me out of it. And they don't need to stay as is; they are broken. Also, try fitting smalls on a HAV (with a still good tank), and then get a good crew to go with you. Doubt you'll do both.

Yeah it was me who found that Tank information and posted it

But you've missed some key points

On that other thread i referred to a quote that a Tanks main turrets are primarily Anti Vehicle and very rarely if ever are they fitted with an anti infantry weapon, they sometimes have side guns that provide some form of anti infantry but the main turret is pretty much designed to take down other Tanks .. Large Blaster Turrets are what causes the major unbalance between Tanks and infantry .. to gain some anti infantry capabilities Tanks should have to fit a side gun and have a gunner

I also referred to a quote about 1 Tank alone v a group of infantry is a sitting duck as the infantry can get behind it and surround it and use things like molotov cocktails/grenades on the top of the tank to kill the people manning it or blow it's engine up, they can also attack the tracks to stop to moving .. we have none of this in dust and 1 Tank can pop hardeners on and drive into the middle of infantry and kill them with impunity

Really infantry need things like Electric Shock grenades that render a vehicles electronics (modules) unusable and stop it being able to move .. think of a sticky grenade that would require the tanker/his crew to get out of the tank to remove it before its modules would begin to work again .. infantry would have to get really close to attach it but in CQC infantry should be able to do things like this v Tanks

Personally I don't think a Tank should be used to kill infantry with its main turret as a primary role .. that is what APC/MAVs are for .. infantry carriers with light weaponry to kill enemy infantry ..

Sooo you are basicly saying that HAVs should be one shooted by Infantry? Becasue HAVS can oneshot all infantry .

Ok seriously I am fine with strong HAVs as long as they are AV or Anti Installations tools. Nearly invincible Anti Infantry tanks are just a bad thing balancing wise...

If you guys want tanks main weapons to be mainly AV, what we need for tanks is an actual purpose beyond infantry killing, you know stuff like blowing up walls to let infantry clear out fortified buildings, breaching barricades/infantry chokepoints and destroying / taking out strategic targets and having cannons with actual explosions with actual splash and able to penetrate 1mm thick steel, you know, the kind of stuff that a game I wont name lets us do.
Currently these large blasters can penetrate 240mm thick armor, but when it comes to 1mm thick railings it's a no can do.

I think tanks are pretty balanced except for one or two things.

Tanks in this game do not seem to be subject to inertia. They can go from a full stop to full speed instantly. A real tank can go faster than infantry but it needs maybe 10 seconds (or more) to get to full speed. The same argument holds for slowing down.

Tanks should have limited weapon depression.

Tanks are far too cheap.

The real key though is the current state of AV. It should be feared more than it currently is.

Real life AV can hit a tank up to a kilometre away. Swarm Launchers have a maximum lock range of something like 400m. This forces an infantry guy to get suicidally close to a tank to get a good shot. Swarm Launcher range should be bumped up a bit.

Real life AV can kill a tank in one or two shots. Swarm Launchers scratch the paint of tanks and light up the user, so tanks/snipers can kill the user. Swarm Launcher damage needs to be increased.


Munch

You obviously don't tank.

No tank operates in Real life with just one operator...

You need a gunner to operate the turret along with someone to drive the tank. Even more IRL

MAV's should be introduced into DUST that a singular mercenary could drive with limited strength that 1-2 infantry could compete with.

The HAV's should need a Driver to "Drive" the tank and gets the small front turret position... And an Actual "Gunner" that operates the main turret of the HAV.... With all the glory and strength potential tanks have now.

Will it be hard to get the team work down to max out the potential of the HAV? hell yea... But Imagine being able to evade drive.. while the gunner is fighting the target behind you... The potential is amazing.. With good team work.


HAV's will always be a force multiplier problem in DUST. The fact that one person can call in a mechanized unit and increase their battlefield potential by 300% can never be balanced unless it requires more then 1 Mercenary to utilize that potential.

Hi CCP!

Just wanted to say thanks ...
My corp is doing really good in pubs this build!

Please increase HAV quota so me and my homeboys can "roll" together more consistently.
There's always some bluedot scrub who calls in a dropship or LAV.
We really need to get in all six of our tanks every match.

Thank you!

- DDB