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Foehammerr
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.26 03:53:00 -
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Skihids wrote:
You would say to yourself, "Oh, we already have two tanks on the field, I'll go infantry because I'm not needed in a tank.".
Me being an Honor Tanker, I'm probably one of the few people who actually do this.
I'm also apparently one of the few people that understand that the only HAVs that fit under the tradtional role of "Tank" as in MBT are rail HAVs.
Me being a Maddi pilot I know full well how easy it is to take out infantry with large blasters. Thats why I only use it in an escalation situation where the other team is going balls to the wall and going on a mad dash with their HAVs. I use both Federation Maddies as well as standard Maddies. Both while they can serve the same purpose are used differently.
My Fed Madi (which is also my preffered fit, cheap but not OP) is my IFV support fit and is designed around the concept of doing just that. Fighting infantry. I dropped my ability to move fast and sacrificed some tank in order to do this. My two high slots are used for scanners and mobile CRU. It also comes pre-equipped with small blasters. I use it to cordon off the area around an objective while serving as a spawn point right next to the objective. If i see a threatening vehicle, I'll move to engage it and return back to my team mates. All this, while at the cost of potential EHP and DPS. Also, because of my proficiency in HAV piloting I can ward off infantry with easy while still engaging enemy HAVs and Dropships with some degree of effectiveness. HAVs (ones with turrets) are great for sneaking in a surprise pair of tandem heavies as well. Nobody expects it to be used as a transport.
My standard Maddi is my brawler fit. I use this only in an escalation situation. Its all tank and DPS and is used to fight against other HAVs and only after all other enemy vehicles are cleared from the area do I start mopping up the rest of the infantry.
While I'm primarily a Tanker and Logi, I also do AV when its not viable to call in my own HAV. As a PLC gunner, i will concede i do get more infantry kills than tank kills. I believe it needs a buff to direct damage and AoE it it increases its AV capability and mildly making it more effective against infantry while not becoming OP. BUT having spent a lot of time using it I can tell you it is a very effective tool for driving off HAVs. Maddi pilots get scared when I one-shot their shields and damage a small portion of their armor with a KLA PLC. And If im fast enough i can can chuck my adv AV grenades and send it running off for the literal hills with 40-20% armor. Shield tankers get even more scared when i brake their tank in 2-3 shots unless they do that instant shield boost. Even if i didn't kill it, it is still out of the fight for a good while.And in a game like Ambush, this makes all the difference especially on the bridge map. All this and i'm an average AV gunner who solos a lot. People just need to learn how to combine weapons, grenades and equipment properly.
Examples:
Gunnlogi killer:
PLC
AV grenades
Madrugar killer:
Flux grenades
Swarm Launcher.
"But Foehammer, what about the fact that they can drive off really fast and get away before i can reach them?"
Simple, don't engage them on open terrain. that's their home turf where mobility is their friend and not yours. try to grab their attention and coax them into a spot where its hard to maneuver around like in hills with steep-ish inclines, rocky areas, or confined quarters like inside the "urban" inside areas . Believe it or not, contrary to popular belief it is in-fact possible to solo a tank. Its just not a good idea generally and is very difficult to do.
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Foehammerr
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.26 04:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Foehammerr wrote:
Me being an Honor Tanker.
**** your honour. That's the **** players in Dark Souls fed themselves to tell them that they were good. Honour is something you confine yourself to. Never impose your honour on others nor use it as a basis of judging a foe, that only makes you look foolish.
I find it interesting that of all the subjects in my lengthy post that is the one thing you choose to comment on.
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Foehammerr
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.26 04:25:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:To the people saying "irl it takes a crew to drive a tank" well guess what! A single person can control a 16km long ship in the eve universe!!! How cool is that? It's also called computer assisted controls :D
To op: It's the madrugar that has the insane gun depression. Gunnlogi can't shoot infantry that get too close. It's a good thing those same ships aren't housed with hundreds to thousands of crew members that are doing their part in keeping the entire vessel operational. Yea, you would feel pretty silly if that were the case....
Well, technically they don't, if your being sarcastic. But Lore-wise that's correct (somewhat.) While regular NPC crewed ships would be like this, a Megathron for example probably only has like 50 crew members if a Capsuleer is at the helm.
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Foehammerr
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.26 04:40:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Foehammerr wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:To the people saying "irl it takes a crew to drive a tank" well guess what! A single person can control a 16km long ship in the eve universe!!! How cool is that? It's also called computer assisted controls :D
To op: It's the madrugar that has the insane gun depression. Gunnlogi can't shoot infantry that get too close. It's a good thing those same ships aren't housed with hundreds to thousands of crew members that are doing their part in keeping the entire vessel operational. Yea, you would feel pretty silly if that were the case.... Well, technically they don't, if your being sarcastic. But Lore-wise that's correct (somewhat.) While regular NPC crewed ships would be like this, a Megathron for example probably only has like 50 crew members if a Capsuleer is at the helm. You do know the explanation of a single person driving the ship is also EVE lore...right?
Well, yes. But being that the two game's lore are deeply interconnected, it wouldn't be unsafe to assume that the same tech that is applied to ships is applied to vehicles. As the Capsuleer uses his pod as a medium for interacting with the ship, controlling the actions of the ship with his mind, should a mercenary not be able to use the implants in his brain and dropsuit as a medium for interacting with the vehicle controlling it with his mind thereby minimizing the required crew to operate it?
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Foehammerr
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.26 04:55:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:
Sure.
But a game needs to balanced first, then lore created afterward. Not the other way around.
Ironically enough, there already is lore of some of the events that have taken place early on like the Battle for Caldari Prime and early Planetary Conquest and even the PSN Mercenary Pack
http://dust514.wikia.com/wiki/Category:History_and_Lore
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Foehammerr
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.26 05:11:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Foehammerr wrote:Duran Lex wrote:
Sure.
But a game needs to balanced first, then lore created afterward. Not the other way around.
Ironically enough, there already is lore of some of the events that have taken place early on like the Battle for Caldari Prime and early Planetary Conquest and even the PSN Mercenary Pack http://dust514.wikia.com/wiki/Category:History_and_Lore Unless you are trying to say EVE created that lore before said events happened, I'm not sure how it relates to our discussion. As for the merc pack, i also do not see how that lore has any correlation on balance within the game. Edit - Or were you just randomly mentioning the lore existed? If so the "irony" part threw me off greatly.
It doesnt. I accidentallied a tangent. Back on topic, Rail turrets need a mild-moderate nerf. Its near-impossible to out tank a rail gun.
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