Where are all the lists of people who call in 4 or 5 tanks and ruin matches?

There hasn't been a time I've played in two or three weeks when I didn't just end up turning Dust off because of tanks. It really bothers me because there are more factors than just the tanks here.

1) I may not be fortunate enough to have tanks on my side
2) I may not have any FGers on my side

When the tanks get called in and one side dominates the field with vehicles the blueberries on their side get this boost of confidence and the are running around cleaning up the few people trying to layout mines (which seems to be the best light infantry tactic) or land swarm volleys.

The last few weeks is the lowest my KDR has been in over a year. I'm not that worried about that, but it means it's gotten expensive.

I just don't see why these win buttons are allowed in pub matches. They are ruining them. They are 1000x worse than the Calogi, the TAC rifle, the laser rifle of Chrome, all combined.

The ONLY reason I don't back out of matches when tanks are called in is because I don't want to leave my corp mates hanging.

You aren't seeing the bigger picture. Everything you said is true, but consider this.

My AV suit costs around 250K. If I decide to deal with tanks I will lose at least two of them. In other words there is ZERO incentive to do so. And not to mention that my AV suit is ineffective versus tanks anyway.

So very few people do because there is no incentive to do so.

And to be honest I do not want to play a game where you have to get to high ground and camp with AV weapons. I don't think many people are interested in that.

Although I should. It's much cheaper and I could boost my KDR. Thanks, I'm going to skill into FGs on my main and camp from towers.

That's what sucks about this. In PC it's just right.

But these fools breaking out there win button in pubs with a majority of people unable and/or unwilling (because of cost) to deal with it WILL lead to tanks getting nerfed.

AND because the vast majority of people don't participate in PC, they don't care.

I understand that for blues, there might be little or no incentive. But those people are not the people you are playing with. Do you mean to tell me that you don't have people skilled into forges in ML? Are there no people who like to blow up vehicles in your corp? I find that very hard to believe.

Are there no logis who want the ridiculous WP farm that is the rep hives left for a heavy on a rooftop? Or even the triage points if he wants to run Amarr logi and Snipe from up there as well.

Where are the squad leaders who want silly commission points from a tandem pair of a heavy and a Sniper logi working together?

I'll admit to playing an ISK negative playstyle on my heavy, because tower camping is boring, even though it gets the job done.

I like getting right in a tanks face, and giving him the business while he either tries to run or dares to stand and face me. Prof 5 FG and proto nades allow you those luxuries. My Av suit costs me over 250k but it is VERY effective. I just wish the FG charge time was back to 1.6 levels, because it really needs it.

WP for vehicle damage will help though. Hopefully that gets in before too long.

I am amazed that at least half of the playerbase has not specced proto forges by now, given how much people complain about tanks.

But its backwards thinking

PC and pubs will always be seperate but you cant nerf things that are working well in 1 mode because of another

But you cant stop players using what they are skilled into in pubs, you can limit it to an extent but you would have to limit everything

Acedemy needs to be extended to like 100k WP or something to protect new players and even have a basic lobby where only basic items can be used

get the high ground with uplinks and laugh as the tanks cant hurt you....

your bad and you should feel bad. my infantry KD/R has gone UP since tank spam begun

What are you talking about? good tactic but blasters shoot 200 metres and railguns... are superior...

I have proficiency 5 forges. I rarely use them as they are far less effective than a militia rail tank.

I find a forge to be much more effective at controlling an area than a MLT rail tank.

The Forge is only out of action for as long as it takes to reload, whereas the MLT rail tank has to leave or get popped. A heavy suit, up high with rep hives or a logi is not going any where and is capable of dealing out damage as long as the reps and hives hold out. Countered only by multiple snipers, or a redline rail, or potentially a DS rush while occupied, it is able to create a beaten area around its position that any tank entering will be force to activate modules, thus triggering its countdown to departure.

I would even argue that a FG up high makes cheap MLT tanks vastly more powerful, by being able to add enough DPS to make up for the higher quality equipment the enemy could possibly field.

Finally, consider the recon abilities of the vertical heavy. Not only can they keep effective watch, they can also quarter back the HAV operations, forming a vital link in the Infantry Armor co-ordination.

Yeah, tower forging is also OP. CCP should put fences up there.

But should AV really have to revert to the scrubbiest of tactics to have a chance versus tanks? Shouldn't feet on the ground have a chance too?

PS - This is a pleasant change from replying to SPKR. You are the respectable face of tanking

Just do what I do

Barely play



Lots of good games on the market right now and for the foreseeable future. It sucks, but it is what it is.

I agree with you, and I feel sorry for CCP for having to find a way to make vehicles work in pubs and in PC.

But what we have right now is killing pubs. At least it's killing lots of pub matches, to me in a worse way than a squad rolling through protostomping.

Yeah, tower forging is also OP. CCP should put fences up there.

But should AV really have to revert to the scrubbiest of tactics to have a chance versus tanks? Shouldn't feet on the ground have a chance too?

PS - This is a pleasant change from replying to SPKR. You are the respectable face of tanking

While I understand that you can't totally ignore PC, the fact that PC is both broken and highly inaccessible to the vast majority of the player base makes it rather inconsequential in the balancing debate. Most of the overall playtime is in pubs, and unless the goal is to whittle the entire player population down to those who are active in PC then something has got to give.

I honestly don't care how balanced tanks are in the few PC matches that actually take place when almost every ambush (and the other game modes a significant amount of the time) I load into is full of tanks that my proto Swarm Launcher won't even scare off, much less actually kill them.

I agree with you, and I feel sorry for CCP for having to find a way to make vehicles work in pubs and in PC.

But what we have right now is killing pubs. At least it's killing lots of pub matches, to me in a worse way than a squad rolling through protostomping.

And what about stomping through "Proto-Tank Spamming"?

Proto tank doesnt exist

They are afraid of giving us adv/proto hulls with more CPU/PG and slot layout

if CCP could just implement a system that doesnt allow tanks/vehicles and just allow only infantry, that would be great

Yah and a game mode where we shoot rays of sunshine and rainbows at each other.

Some people think this is a different game... lool

Tanker?

i kill anything that moves with any weapon, im a duster

i kill anything that moves with any weapon, im a duster

you really think you are something. You only have the things CCP gave you. You are good because of someone elses mistake. Yet you brag, every chance you get. Pathetic

Tanks should be removed from ambush. The maps are too small and there is no counter when the enemy team has like 3+ tanks on the field. The only vehicle allowed in ambush should be a LAV and thats it.