So the answer is to lose the match and hide.

Cool so another bullshit answer

Where are all the lists of people who call in 4 or 5 tanks and ruin matches?

There hasn't been a time I've played in two or three weeks when I didn't just end up turning Dust off because of tanks. It really bothers me because there are more factors than just the tanks here.

1) I may not be fortunate enough to have tanks on my side
2) I may not have any FGers on my side

When the tanks get called in and one side dominates the field with vehicles the blueberries on their side get this boost of confidence and the are running around cleaning up the few people trying to layout mines (which seems to be the best light infantry tactic) or land swarm volleys.

The last few weeks is the lowest my KDR has been in over a year. I'm not that worried about that, but it means it's gotten expensive.

I just don't see why these win buttons are allowed in pub matches. They are ruining them. They are 1000x worse than the Calogi, the TAC rifle, the laser rifle of Chrome, all combined.

The ONLY reason I don't back out of matches when tanks are called in is because I don't want to leave my corp mates hanging.

Totally agree with all that, the way it is now is not cool.

Maps designed for tanks and no man's land for infantry (have to use a vehicle to get from point A to point B) would be cool, but we don't have that.

In the meantime, AV needs to kill tanks.

How about 4?

Still think a tank should require more than one operator.

16 infantry v 16 infantry = 16 v 16

A Madrugar has 8 times the armor of a proto heavy and a proto blaster deals 47 times the damage of a proto HMG.

You're turning one bad player into the equivalent of 4 or more proto heavies. for this thread i'll say at least two.

if you equate how many people it would take to counter 6 tanks at once with infantry AV. For this post i will say two; a proto forge gun and AV grenades (swarms are a joke). now you have

12av + 4 infantry v 6 tanks(6 infantry) + 10 infantry = 16 v 22 (without av and tanks 4 v 10)

We all know that at best get one squad worth of AV and 90% of the time its disorganized and does not time attacks properly to catch the tank when its not in god mode (hardened). So our numbers still look bleak for the team without tanks.

Think of a tank as one dropsuit, one infantry man, that is all that is required to operate it. So it is no more than a dropsuit with tracks and a cannon. Doesn't seem to fair in that perspective, but, it is a tank, it should be strong and deadly, hell thats why they were invented in the first place.... in real life... in this game a items purpose in real life doesn't always matter (see sniper rifle). Requiring more than one operator makes a tank take from the infantry exactly what it is getting in return through vehicle support.

If a Tank required at a minimum two operators the balance would be in the numbers

6AV + 10 Infantry v 6 tanks(12 infantry) + 4 infantry + 16 v 16

the downside to spamming tanks is that you infantry support diminishes offering AV a chance to be effective. This forces a team to find balance between tanks and infantry. Similar to a team with 6 or more snipers, it becomes ineffective after too many people do it.

Responses i've gotten to this suggestion
"i'm not letting some blueberry drive my tank around"
"OK, Let some blueberry operate you dropsuit while you fire the gun"

My response before you post them are
1. It should take teamwork to kill your tank... it should take teamwork to operate it
2. when my dropsuit has 4000 armor and 1200 shield and my proto gun deals around 58000 DPS.... sure!!

Why cant LAV drivers fire their turrets? Assault LAV's!!!!

Tankers are really hurting their credibility, especially the veteran ones who can't acknowledge how OP tanks are in pub match setting.

They are not OP in a PC match where you can control the variables of your own team. But in a pub match the odds are against you that you'll be able to control the infantry and deal with the tanks.

It's really one or the other and sometimes neither depending on the quality of your blueberries. Call me crazy but I don't think two or three tanks in a pub match of an FPS should be able to completely dictate a battle.

I've seen ONE dude able to maul infantry in a PC match. There are probably many more, but the one that stood out to me is Legend. Everyone else it doing tank on tank and tank vs dropship warfare.

Tankers are really hurting their credibility, especially the veteran ones who can't acknowledge how OP tanks are in pub match setting.

They are not OP in a PC match where you can control the variables of your own team. But in a pub match the odds are against you that you'll be able to control the infantry and deal with the tanks.

It's really one or the other and sometimes neither depending on the quality of your blueberries. Call me crazy but I don't think two or three tanks in a pub match of an FPS should be able to completely dictate a battle.

I've seen ONE dude able to maul infantry in a PC match. There are probably many more, but the one that stood out to me is Legend. Everyone else it doing tank on tank and tank vs dropship warfare.

That's what sucks about this. In PC it's just right.

But these fools breaking out there win button in pubs with a majority of people unable and/or unwilling (because of cost) to deal with it WILL lead to tanks getting nerfed.

AND because the vast majority of people don't participate in PC, they don't care.

get the high ground with uplinks and laugh as the tanks cant hurt you....

your bad and you should feel bad. my infantry KD/R has gone UP since tank spam begun

I find a forge to be much more effective at controlling an area than a MLT rail tank.

The Forge is only out of action for as long as it takes to reload, whereas the MLT rail tank has to leave or get popped. A heavy suit, up high with rep hives or a logi is not going any where and is capable of dealing out damage as long as the reps and hives hold out. Countered only by multiple snipers, or a redline rail, or potentially a DS rush while occupied, it is able to create a beaten area around its position that any tank entering will be force to activate modules, thus triggering its countdown to departure.

I would even argue that a FG up high makes cheap MLT tanks vastly more powerful, by being able to add enough DPS to make up for the higher quality equipment the enemy could possibly field.

Finally, consider the recon abilities of the vertical heavy. Not only can they keep effective watch, they can also quarter back the HAV operations, forming a vital link in the Infantry Armor co-ordination.

I agree with you, and I feel sorry for CCP for having to find a way to make vehicles work in pubs and in PC.

But what we have right now is killing pubs. At least it's killing lots of pub matches, to me in a worse way than a squad rolling through protostomping.

Tanker?

I'm actually appalled that there is now some weird racism against tankers, AV, and infantry.