We can get bonus SP on the cap with a booster? So, effectively, we will get a bonus 325k SP?

Boosters will not count against the SP bonus

How would your first scenario be "A" here? A Sniper Rifle isn't a heavy weapon.

A guy joined my squad and was running a heavy suit with a laser rifle all day. I asked why he wasn't just using an HMG for the bonus points with the event, and he said that just wearing heavy suits qualifies for some bonus. I was saying that I am more than certain that it didn't work that way and he stood firm in his statement, so I just came to ask if he knew about something I didn't or something.

For every kill you make with a HMG or Forge Gun, you'll earn extra 500 SP (up to a cap of 750k SP), plus one Prototype AUR version of the weapon you used (either 'Torchflare' Kaalakiota Forge Gun or 'Steelmine' Boundless Heavy Machine Gun, up to a total of 300).

Hey guys

So during testing we found an issue regarding the rewards for killing vehicles, so unfortunately we have had to pull that part of the event. As such, we have decided to roll the extra 250k SP from that portion of the event in to the main SP cap, so now you can earn a total of 750k SP from killing heavies or getting kills with heavy weapons.

I've gone from disliking, to liking, to intensely disliking this event.

At first I thought 'this will be an awful grind'. Then I started using HMG and enjoyed the change of pace. But after a while it became an awful grind after all. I am sick of having to run HMGs every game if I want to taste a reasonable amount of the extra SP. (I don't like tower forging in pubs, and FG is not really going to get you many kills if you're on the ground.)

I know it's bonus SP, in addition to the usual SP payout. But CCP know and every player knows that SP is the main thing, or at least one of the main things, driving the game. People pay actual money for boosters, so of course they're going to go out of their way to get extra SP. The problem is, it is not fun, AT ALL, to run the same weapon (one I wouldn't usually use) every game. And we're only a few days into the event - how bored is everyone who's doing the event going to be in a week and a half?

I play the game most days, but I'm still only getting 500 kills per week, so about 1000 for the duration of the event. That's more than most of the playerbase. But with the 500SP per HMG/FG kill bonus and 750,000SP bonus cap, you need 1,500 kills. So even if I use HMG constantly, I'm not going to hit the cap.

The cap should have been set way lower. I thought 400,000 at first, but even that is too high. I think 200,000 or 300,000 would have been better.

400,000SP is 800 kills, so given I'm getting some kills with grenades, SMGs and OBs even when I carry HMG, even a 400,000SP cap would mean I had to carry HMG every game if I'm going to get all the bonus SP. So that's just as grindy as 750,000SP. But with 200,000 or 300,000, you 'only' need 400 or 600 kills. So a player who plays roughly as much as I do would get a little 'wriggle room', and wouldn't need to run HMG every game.

Please CCP, for future events, set the 'number of kills with specific weapons (HMG/FG in this case) to exhaust bonus SP' much lower. Setting it as high as 750,000, or even 400,000-500,000, just makes the event ubergrindy. At least with the vanilla trebled SP cap you could play how you wanted. I feel like this event turns players off from the game, by forcing them to choose between SP and enjoyment.

Finally, I should say that event stat tracking is also very much needed.

I've gone from disliking, to liking, to intensely disliking this event.

At first I thought 'this will be an awful grind'. Then I started using HMG and enjoyed the change of pace. But after a while it became an awful grind after all. I am sick of having to run HMGs every game if I want to taste a reasonable amount of the extra SP. (I don't like tower forging in pubs, and FG is not really going to get you many kills if you're on the ground.)

I know it's bonus SP, in addition to the usual SP payout. But CCP know and every player knows that SP is the main thing, or at least one of the main things, driving the game. People pay actual money for boosters, so of course they're going to go out of their way to get extra SP. The problem is, it is not fun, AT ALL, to run the same weapon (one I wouldn't usually use) every game. And we're only a few days into the event - how bored is everyone who's doing the event going to be in a week and a half?

I play the game most days, but I'm still only getting 500 kills per week, so about 1000 for the duration of the event. That's more than most of the playerbase. But with the 500SP per HMG/FG kill bonus and 750,000SP bonus cap, you need 1,500 kills. So even if I use HMG constantly, I'm not going to hit the cap.

The cap should have been set way lower. I thought 400,000 at first, but even that is too high. I think 200,000 or 300,000 would have been better.

400,000SP is 800 kills, so given I'm getting some kills with grenades, SMGs and OBs even when I carry HMG, even a 400,000SP cap would mean I had to carry HMG every game if I'm going to get all the bonus SP. So that's just as grindy as 750,000SP. But with 200,000 or 300,000, you 'only' need 400 or 600 kills. So a player who plays roughly as much as I do would get a little 'wriggle room', and wouldn't need to run HMG every game.

Please CCP, for future events, set the 'number of kills with specific weapons (HMG/FG in this case) to exhaust bonus SP' much lower. Setting it as high as 750,000, or even 400,000-500,000, just makes the event ubergrindy. At least with the vanilla trebled SP cap you could play how you wanted. I feel like this event turns players off from the game, by forcing them to choose between SP and enjoyment.

Finally, I should say that event stat tracking is also very much needed.

When will the bonus SP be rewarded?

Thanks for the feedback. The grind element is there for this event partly to encourage players to play more. However, I also understand where you're coming from, to some, this could seem to be excessive. The idea is to give players a big SP bonus, so we set it to 750K. The feeling of it being a grind is in the SP per kill amount.

If we set the SP reward to say, 1000 SP per kill for the next event, that would effectively cut down the kills required to reach the cap by half. So, instead of having to make between 1000 to 1500 kills, it would be around 500 to 750 kills. I am open to discussion on this, so let me know your thoughts.

We also agree that progression tracking is sorely needed and are negotiating with the development team to up the priority to make this feature.

Thanks for the feedback. The grind element is there for this event partly to encourage players to play more. However, I also understand where you're coming from, to some, this could seem to be excessive. The idea is to give players a big SP bonus, so we set it to 750K. The feeling of it being a grind is in the SP per kill amount.

If we set the SP reward to say, 1000 SP per kill for the next event, that would effectively cut down the kills required to reach the cap by half. So, instead of having to make between 1000 to 1500 kills, it would be around 500 to 750 kills. I am open to discussion on this, so let me know your thoughts.

We also agree that progression tracking is sorely needed and are negotiating with the development team to up the priority to make this feature.

Thanks for the feedback. The grind element is there for this event partly to encourage players to play more. However, I also understand where you're coming from, to some, this could seem to be excessive. The idea is to give players a big SP bonus, so we set it to 750K. The feeling of it being a grind is in the SP per kill amount.

If we set the SP reward to say, 1000 SP per kill for the next event, that would effectively cut down the kills required to reach the cap by half. So, instead of having to make between 1000 to 1500 kills, it would be around 500 to 750 kills. I am open to discussion on this, so let me know your thoughts.

We also agree that progression tracking is sorely needed and are negotiating with the development team to up the priority to make this feature.

Are you suggesting cutting the kills needed mid event? First you found a bug you missed after the event started, makign the vehicle kill portion no longer needed, now, unless I'm reading this wrong, you're suggesting you might cut the kills needed in half?

I doubt you have efficient stat tracking to track everyone's current kill count and I highly doubt you can just lower the kill count and actually compensate for those that have gone over the new kill count or are still under it. That is, unless I read it wrong.


By the way, a dev/GM has yet to answer my question about how you guys are actually able to tell if someone is boosting or not. Have you guys looked at the leader boards lately? I'm pretty sure a lot of those folks are boosting. If you aren't constantly watching the top players, then you people are hypocrites that deserve to have your game fail. Just saying.

These are my numbers as of today and I am lucky that the College load is little and the wife doesn't mind. I am not the best player and of course I've had 20+ kills at some points before I started writing them down but 20+ kills with an HMG is not a regular thing unless you are using proto all the time and/or are extremely good. I am neither extremely good, nor am I using proto.



All in all the numbers I will show are that of the regular Merc who is neither in a squad with 5 other protostompers, neither a prodigy with an HMG or using proto all the time. This is the average Joe who plays for fun and is sometimes with a buddy or two, other times alone and just trying to grind through this event to get his SP. Papa needs some level 5's. I am using advanced gear with 2 complex damage mod for the added damage to my advanced Burst HMG. I have profi 5 but as I said I am not the best of players.

Key:
M= Match
T = Total
D = Daily total

HERE IS MY CHART


I also Have to say that I have had a lot of time to play; not many people do. Also, this is my second chart on my third day of the event, although the event has had 4 days to it If I am not mistaken.

Yeah this is the problem with HMG, you can put up big numbers if the fighting is really intense and close quarters, but that doesn't happen often. This week I had one 39 kill game (with logi support), a couple of other 30-odd kill games, but the majority are below 15.

The first game I played with RR+medium for a change I got 41 kills, and it was 20+ every game after that. This is with advanced suit, proto weapon with high proficiency, and M1 grenades - same combination I use with HMG.

Basically the HMG is a difficult weapon to run all game, every game because it is so situational. That makes the grind worse than it would be with many weapons.

If we set the SP reward to say, 1000 SP per kill for the next event, that would effectively cut down the kills required to reach the cap by half. So, instead of having to make between 1000 to 1500 kills, it would be around 500 to 750 kills. I am open to discussion on this, so let me know your thoughts.

We also agree that progression tracking is sorely needed and are negotiating with the development team to up the priority to make this feature.

We also agree that progression tracking is sorely needed and are negotiating with the development team to up the priority to make this feature.

Thanks for the feedback. The grind element is there for this event partly to encourage players to play more. However, I also understand where you're coming from, to some, this could seem to be excessive. The idea is to give players a big SP bonus, so we set it to 750K. The feeling of it being a grind is in the SP per kill amount.

If we set the SP reward to say, 1000 SP per kill for the next event, that would effectively cut down the kills required to reach the cap by half. So, instead of having to make between 1000 to 1500 kills, it would be around 500 to 750 kills. I am open to discussion on this, so let me know your thoughts.

We also agree that progression tracking is sorely needed and are negotiating with the development team to up the priority to make this feature.

I'm with everyone else on this subject about having a way to track event stats I get about 70 kills a day if I don't play my alts which most days I do which brings me down to about 30 but I see you are working on getting an event status tracker so ty when I see it that is.......

Pish noone wants to be a heavy cubs...playing a heavy as a form of self harm does not count)


Wuv u really cubs :-P:-P

But for real these Sp events are not fun stop doing them bring back the stuff you did in closed beta like heth losing his **** and stuff everybody loved that

im not arguing the fact that 'grinding' causes burnout and people to finally move on to other games.. seen it for well over a year.

im only pointing out the fact that we have an event, that caters to the obese community, which is an even smaller subset of an ever-shrinking player base.

we finally have a moment in the sun, and all these people wanna take a dump on that too...


all Im sayin.

We have provided so much input over time on how to address the 'grind' of SP and how to better close the gap.

literally 15m SP and anyone can have a stout toon that can compete with nolifers like me.

new toon.. no SP cap up to a certain point so that gap disappears.

once u hit 20mil or so you are just working on another role, no advantage over anyone else just providing yourself variety.

but events like this do at LEAST provide the opportunity for those 12-15 players that started way late and are committed for 1 reason or another, to reach that 15m SP milestone, since they are still stuck at the same cap as us with much, much more, with no possibility of closing the gap and will likely hit burnout level before ever getting that SP level to make a strong toon.