You forgot SMG and the soon to be deployed MagSec

So would speed tanking become worth it if scanners produced periodic pings of scanned targets rather than fixed location locks? By that I mean it only refreshes the scanned targets location every 1 second (depending on scanner used and such) so that if you are speed tanked you could still have a decent element of surprise vs scanners?

The gallente scout will be the speed tanker of 1.8, which is kind of sad. They just have to fit and ADV plat, a proto extender, 3 kin cats, and a damage mod, and they are the best suit in the game. They get 4 free low slots, while minmitar only has 2. Fully shield and speed tanked minmitar that can dodge proto scanners is slower and has less HP than a speed tanked gallente than i mentioned above which passively dodges proto scans.

As a min scout who specced into the role for speed tanking, i don't think this is very fair to the minmitar scouts. We get stuck with the lowest base HP, are forced to use an inferior HP source, and have fewer useful slots (lows) than gallente. In addition, gallente get better fittings, so they can fit a cloak on the aforementioned build if they want an shotgun and SMG and stable scanner, however a minmitar scout cannot if they want to run ishnoks and a basic SMG or stable scanner. This is with fitting skills maxed.

The main problem though is the superiority of a dampening bonus compared to a hacking bonus, and the disparity between armor and shields. Click my sig if you wanna know more about what could fix this

Trust me min scouts are gonna be deadly come 1.8, sure the gal has more lows an it's getting another high slot, but say speed tanking it isn't gonna be as viable as you think, the min got a base movement speed increase which leads one to believe our base sprint will be faster.
So say you want 3x kinetics on a gallente, a regulator an 2x comp shields to make up for the armor that's gonna kill CPU an pg to fit 2 weapons an equip just to run aprox 10.73, the min runs 10.38 now without the base stat change, plus cloak has a 25% reduction to profile, so with skills up an a cloak an three kinetics an stacking penalties it's safe to say you could almost run 11.38? Won't know till we see the full stats but lets just say it does, an you can still fit 3x shields an be under 28 your still gonna have 400+ HP an be fast as hell, sure the gall has more lows an better base stats as far as its range, profile an 3 HP goes, but you gotta use the suit according to its bonuses, now that min is the hacker even if you get scanned you gotta just book if scanned but with a 35 base db an pd to 5 an a cloak it shouldn't be to hard hide.

Personally I ll run armor on mine an 2 speed, still run + ten, 343 shields 180 armor with a cloak re knives an a CR
BUT even in the gal I'd rather hide than be fast, it all depends on if you still die once you turned a corner.

You won't be able to fit it with 3x kin cats and 3x shields. not enough pg on minmitar. Go gallente if you want to be able to cloak and sprint fast

and thats the problem. Minmitar need their racial bonus adjusted to a 5% bonus to gimped weaponry as the description

How is the right way to use kin cats ?

You cant run away from people if they are even half decent at shooting.

Any other instance you are already using stealth even though it isnt a module. Many have determined that they already can do that with much more tank and even more firepower. You claiming some knowledge that so many others dont possess is...

Please just tell us so veteran players can agree or shoot it down.

My take is you are just a good FPS player who uses their smarts and gun game to excel. The same thing other good players have done with the scout suit through different methods.

You dont need 3 extenders, you dont need 3 catalysers

2 kin cats and a regulator or a kin cat, a reg and whatever can be a much better setup.

A Scout shouldnt be in head on warfare so drop a shield for a lesser damage mod or energizer and put to use the extra CPU you have over some of the other suits.

Also the Combat Rifle and Flaylock have less requirements by design and the basic SMG is fine at only 15/3 iirc.

You also have the possibility of using PG upgrades now that the minnie pro has 3 lows.

Far from doom and gloom

Do you speed tankers believe that 1.8 might kill speed tanking further? The common saying is "Speed tanking is fun but dead". Currently this is due to issues from back in Chromosome with the Keanu Reeves Scouts and hit detection. However speed is definitely useful, for instance escapes.

But that is currently one of the two best uses for speed tanking: Escaping and getting around. Other than that pretty useless given that Kin Cats only effect sprint. On the other side of things, Stealth and health are both good for escaping and attacking/biting back. Seeing as how vehicles offer the best mode of getting around anyways, Speed has the short end of the stick (strictly infantry)

I don't see many speed tanked suits unless they are completely CQC oriented but even then it's a rarity. Seeing as 1.8 CCP plans to make a big push for more Stealth/EWar, while giving bonuses to suits for health/resistance, is it a fair assessment to say that 1.8 will cut out half of speed tanking?

I can see speed tanking in the sense of Codebreakers still viable but other than that will it last in the game of mighty HP and super sleuths? I haven't seen anyone discuss the outcomes of speed in 1.8 and how it will effect the Bottle Users, while obvious buffs in Stealth and Health are made.

I like this game in it's 3 ring approach, stealth health and biotics. But currently even biotics are dwarfed by the other rings and while they still have a use it's slowly being encroached upon by the Stealth and Health rings. Minmatar Scout may be the last bastion of Speed tanking in 1.8 with it's innate code breakers but after that pfft.

I'd like to see speed mean something more in this game. I think the scout community agrees that Stealth > Speed, but to all others do foresee the 1.8 threat to your speed-tanking way of life?

BTW I don't speed tank I'm stealth / passive scanning

Results:
Gallente: Has greatest ability to damp itself, unless you are a Caldari scout you will never see it coming.
Caldari: Can choose to either achieve either excellent passive scan range for skirmishing with long range weapons or have the best passive scan dB to deal with super damped Gallente scouts.
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Two things:
A) Caldari Scout < Gallente Scout. Even with all five comp precision enhancers a caldari scout will never passively scan a gallente scout with two complex profile dampeners...I think there may be even a little wiggle room for a down graded one. Especially since base profile will = 35 and base precision will = 45 so...

Secondly, please relate on how those stealth stats relate against/for speed tanking in 1.8. There can be no derails.

Profile dampening will not be as essential after 1.8 except maybe vs gal logis with dual scanners. Try scanning without the 360 spin and then also factor in the cool down changes. No gal scout will have more then one profile dampener MAX. The cal scout will have a great slot layout for some play styles.

Two things:
A) Caldari Scout < Gallente Scout. Even with all five comp precision enhancers a caldari scout will never passively scan a gallente scout with two complex profile dampeners...I think there may be even a little wiggle room for a down graded one. Especially since base profile will = 35 and base precision will = 45 so...

Secondly, please relate on how those stealth stats relate against/for speed tanking in 1.8. There can be no derails.

And this effects speed tanking by _________.....
Stay on track now, you have half a relative argument, just throw on the part about speed tanking......

Do you speed tankers believe that 1.8 might kill speed tanking further? The common saying is "Speed tanking is fun but dead". Currently this is due to issues from back in Chromosome with the Keanu Reeves Scouts and hit detection. However speed is definitely useful, for instance escapes.

But that is currently one of the two best uses for speed tanking: Escaping and getting around. Other than that pretty useless given that Kin Cats only effect sprint. On the other side of things, Stealth and health are both good for escaping and attacking/biting back. Seeing as how vehicles offer the best mode of getting around anyways, Speed has the short end of the stick (strictly infantry)

I don't see many speed tanked suits unless they are completely CQC oriented but even then it's a rarity. Seeing as 1.8 CCP plans to make a big push for more Stealth/EWar, while giving bonuses to suits for health/resistance, is it a fair assessment to say that 1.8 will cut out half of speed tanking?

I can see speed tanking in the sense of Codebreakers still viable but other than that will it last in the game of mighty HP and super sleuths? I haven't seen anyone discuss the outcomes of speed in 1.8 and how it will effect the Bottle Users, while obvious buffs in Stealth and Health are made.

I like this game in it's 3 ring approach, stealth health and biotics. But currently even biotics are dwarfed by the other rings and while they still have a use it's slowly being encroached upon by the Stealth and Health rings. Minmatar Scout may be the last bastion of Speed tanking in 1.8 with it's innate code breakers but after that pfft.

I'd like to see speed mean something more in this game. I think the scout community agrees that Stealth > Speed, but to all others do foresee the 1.8 threat to your speed-tanking way of life?

BTW I don't speed tank I'm stealth / passive scanning

Did you even read my post? I suggested making base precision 35 and having profile damps and precision mods scale evenly. Your point is moot. Read please.

I also think shield modules should get their PG reduced and the HP increased at STD and ADV levels to aid shield tankers. I also suggested that speed on minmatar scout suits should go up slight which, with trading shield regen stats with the Caldari, with be able to do lightning quick hits on your opponents then regen quickly.
Personally I don't see speed tanking as a primary form of defense because if you achieve it you become pretty much untouchable. The minmatar focus on skimish warfare, speed is to get them in, rain down a hail of bullets to kill, and regen shield tanking allows them to quickly recover when they leave. Those aspects combined make up the minmatar combat ideology, not speed tanking alone.

I don't care about your hypothetical scenario, we are talking about what CCP posted not what you want no offense.

So you don't believe the speed tanking is viable alone, although it is one of the hardest modules to sink into? You believe that multiple regenerative modules should have to be applied as well to make up it's wake which would although add to the SP makes sense, though not to those who choose the path of speed tanking themselves perhaps.

aim assist needs to be turned down by like 50% too. It really really messes with rifles and similar weapons against speed tankers