Do you speed tankers believe that 1.8 might kill speed tanking further? The common saying is "Speed tanking is fun but dead". Currently this is due to issues from back in Chromosome with the Keanu Reeves Scouts and hit detection. However speed is definitely useful, for instance escapes.

But that is currently one of the two best uses for speed tanking: Escaping and getting around. Other than that pretty useless given that Kin Cats only effect sprint. On the other side of things, Stealth and health are both good for escaping and attacking/biting back. Seeing as how vehicles offer the best mode of getting around anyways, Speed has the short end of the stick (strictly infantry)

I don't see many speed tanked suits unless they are completely CQC oriented but even then it's a rarity. Seeing as 1.8 CCP plans to make a big push for more Stealth/EWar, while giving bonuses to suits for health/resistance, is it a fair assessment to say that 1.8 will cut out half of speed tanking?

I can see speed tanking in the sense of Codebreakers still viable but other than that will it last in the game of mighty HP and super sleuths? I haven't seen anyone discuss the outcomes of speed in 1.8 and how it will effect the Bottle Users, while obvious buffs in Stealth and Health are made.

I like this game in it's 3 ring approach, stealth health and biotics. But currently even biotics are dwarfed by the other rings and while they still have a use it's slowly being encroached upon by the Stealth and Health rings. Minmatar Scout may be the last bastion of Speed tanking in 1.8 with it's innate code breakers but after that pfft.

I'd like to see speed mean something more in this game. I think the scout community agrees that Stealth > Speed, but to all others do foresee the 1.8 threat to your speed-tanking way of life?

BTW I don't speed tank I'm stealth / passive scanning

Hell I get charge sniper OHK'd right now anyways and I have run 4 enhanced plates on a scout before and really was nothing very FOTM appealing. Really it goes toe to toe but coming across any CR, HMG, railgun in the open pretty much negates it.

That's a point where speed does come in handy, like previously mentioned, escape. But stealth will do in a snap if you are in the cities.

I'm trying to look out for the sake of speed tanking in 1.8 Lightning and in your honest opinion, simple yes/no, do you think it will be viable in 1.8 without much mixing into HP or Stealth.

I have used NOTHING BUT SPEED, since Closed Beta. Still efficient and deadly, those who say otherwise are honestly doing it wrong.

Well I guess I am the ONLY dedicated Speed Tanking Scout then. And average deaths and kills normally DO NOT exceed over 15+ deaths. (For me) I have killed even numerous enemies IN WIDE OPEN spaces. And have succeeded, is Speed Tanking dead? NO. Is it poorly used? YES. While CCP should buff it with suits and just in general, it takes a different mindset when doing it.

I have 2 speed suits. 2 reds, a green, and a codebreaker or 3 reds and a green. Flux uplinks to go with them. The suit has 1 job, to get to the uncapped points at the start of a skirmish. I'll hack the nearest objective, switch to a speed suit with gauged uplinks, and never use it again.

The first big hit to speed tanking was the change of a 1 second delay to stamina regen from sprinting, the second was aim assist, and now hit-detection is at its most effective ever. 5 rail rifle bullets or 2 bursts from a combat rifle kill my suits, all hit with enhanced accuracy.

The cloak will do well to bring back speed tanking. regardless of "shimmer" it is 30/60/80 seconds of electronic cloak without taking up a low slot for a dampener. Rumors of reduction to weapon damage, if proven true, will give everyone more time find cover if spotted. And fixing the scanners to work as originally intended, having a "snapshot" effect, will reduce the scan spam.

What I think will be a great incentive for me, though, is the return of the 6th slot of proto scouts. I've had the utmost level of hate for the Minmatar Scout since May. It is just such a bad suit. 1.8 makes me take back all my hate because it has become my lovely Scout Vk.0 again.

lol Gal Scout with 2 complex shield extenders will have 232 shields, 162 armor and 4 kincats bring it to 11.11m/s
Min scout with 3 complex shield extenders will have 354 shields and 87 armor, and 3 kincats bring it to 11.11m/s

So max sprint will be the same while the Min scout gets 47 more HP. though change a red for a green and speeds drop to 10.37 and 10.72 respectively. Though unless you're using an Allotek Plasma Cannon and Core Flaylock pistol you won't be able to fit proto weapons or EQ other than a nanohive with an ADV cloak.

Do you speed tankers believe that 1.8 might kill speed tanking further? The common saying is "Speed tanking is fun but dead". Currently this is due to issues from back in Chromosome with the Keanu Reeves Scouts and hit detection. However speed is definitely useful, for instance escapes.

But that is currently one of the two best uses for speed tanking: Escaping and getting around. Other than that pretty useless given that Kin Cats only effect sprint. On the other side of things, Stealth and health are both good for escaping and attacking/biting back. Seeing as how vehicles offer the best mode of getting around anyways, Speed has the short end of the stick (strictly infantry)

I don't see many speed tanked suits unless they are completely CQC oriented but even then it's a rarity. Seeing as 1.8 CCP plans to make a big push for more Stealth/EWar, while giving bonuses to suits for health/resistance, is it a fair assessment to say that 1.8 will cut out half of speed tanking?

I can see speed tanking in the sense of Codebreakers still viable but other than that will it last in the game of mighty HP and super sleuths? I haven't seen anyone discuss the outcomes of speed in 1.8 and how it will effect the Bottle Users, while obvious buffs in Stealth and Health are made.

I like this game in it's 3 ring approach, stealth health and biotics. But currently even biotics are dwarfed by the other rings and while they still have a use it's slowly being encroached upon by the Stealth and Health rings. Minmatar Scout may be the last bastion of Speed tanking in 1.8 with it's innate code breakers but after that pfft.

I'd like to see speed mean something more in this game. I think the scout community agrees that Stealth > Speed, but to all others do foresee the 1.8 threat to your speed-tanking way of life?

BTW I don't speed tank I'm stealth / passive scanning

Says the guy that quit the game when Aim Assist was at its strongest

Im not saying its useless, i regularly go 15-3, 15-5, 25-4, etc with my basic minmitar scout suit speed tanking, however, its not as effective as it should be. By dead, i mean that no one will use it because of how much skill and practice it takes

Speed tanking is indeed dead. If they make it any worse, it will still be dead. Time to kill is too low for it to be effective and scanners have made it so that sneaking around is virtually impossible unless you load up on damps.... which you cant do if you are loaded up on Kin Cats and Cardiac Regulators. And then you have to try to fit a decent shield tank on top of that (Which will undoubtedly only amount to two complex shield extenders) And then fit a weapon...

Oh and the reason why you speed tank is to act as a forward scout, to destroy uplinks and place your own... Only real choice is to have a scanner or uplinks as equipment -- preferably both.

Speed tanking was VERY good at counter-uplink play. Now it is good at dying 15+ times a match.
Edit: My experience is with a minmitar Logi. Which was the best scout suit because of versatility. It preformed the scout role better than scouts. Now it is great at getting gibbed.

Your, absolutely right in regards to no one even remotely using it past the first objective. It doesn't make sense to me as to why people skill up into Kin Cats and then not even use it anymore. Scouts lately have become too dependent on E-war/Armor and not anymore on their natural instincts and Speed. Will 1.8 possibly have an influx on Scouts? Probably. But when it does I will be there in the same speed set up I am in now.

I quit, because I was fed up with CCP's direction. Especially after talking with Jenza when she randomly joined a squad I was in. I asked her a few questions and her response to Scouts was unsatisfying. And Aim Assist is still a problem but I still almost always come first in every game.

With the 3rd low slot on my Min scout, I will definitely be speed tanking in 1.8. But whether it will be more viable than stealth, only time will tell. Though I doubt it personally.

The point was not that you took a hiatus, but when you took it. I'd like to see how your speed tank fared then. But you're also confusing personal skill with viability. I can regularly get a 3.50+KDR with a plasma cannon and flaylock pistol on a C-1 Assault. Does that make it viable? No, it means that either I am a good play or that the other people are bad players.I'm telling you, 40 cpu and 9 pg is a cheap price to pay for 30 seconds of electronic invisibility to proto scanners. the cloak is going to be a great active dampener.

As long as Aim Assist exists, speed tanking will always be UP.

I believe that removing AA, allowing Kinetic Catalyzers to affect strafing speed, and increasing TTK will bring speed tanking to a better place.

The point was not that you took a hiatus, but when you took it. I'd like to see how your speed tank fared then. But you're also confusing personal skill with viability. I can regularly get a 3.50+KDR with a plasma cannon and flaylock pistol on a C-1 Assault. Does that make it viable? No, it means that either I am a good play or that the other people are bad players.I'm telling you, 40 cpu and 9 pg is a cheap price to pay for 30 seconds of electronic invisibility to proto scanners. the cloak is going to be a great active dampener.

Best fix would be to lower HMG and AR/CR/SCR/RR damage. Would bring them more into line with other weapons AND help bring back previously viable play styles.