message from Godin: it makes no sense to speed tank anything other than a light frame, and light frames suck at speed tanking. So no, it's not viable. Also, if you get scanned, no matter how fast you are, you'll be shot. So even for hacking it's pointless. Only reason to use it is to get away.

Do you speed tankers believe that 1.8 might kill speed tanking further? The common saying is "Speed tanking is fun but dead". Currently this is due to issues from back in Chromosome with the Keanu Reeves Scouts and hit detection. However speed is definitely useful, for instance escapes.

But that is currently one of the two best uses for speed tanking: Escaping and getting around. Other than that pretty useless given that Kin Cats only effect sprint. On the other side of things, Stealth and health are both good for escaping and attacking/biting back. Seeing as how vehicles offer the best mode of getting around anyways, Speed has the short end of the stick (strictly infantry)

I don't see many speed tanked suits unless they are completely CQC oriented but even then it's a rarity. Seeing as 1.8 CCP plans to make a big push for more Stealth/EWar, while giving bonuses to suits for health/resistance, is it a fair assessment to say that 1.8 will cut out half of speed tanking?

I can see speed tanking in the sense of Codebreakers still viable but other than that will it last in the game of mighty HP and super sleuths? I haven't seen anyone discuss the outcomes of speed in 1.8 and how it will effect the Bottle Users, while obvious buffs in Stealth and Health are made.

I like this game in it's 3 ring approach, stealth health and biotics. But currently even biotics are dwarfed by the other rings and while they still have a use it's slowly being encroached upon by the Stealth and Health rings. Minmatar Scout may be the last bastion of Speed tanking in 1.8 with it's innate code breakers but after that pfft.

I'd like to see speed mean something more in this game. I think the scout community agrees that Stealth > Speed, but to all others do foresee the 1.8 threat to your speed-tanking way of life?

Most definitely. Aim assist itself is a direct nerf to speed tanking. I say this- Minmitar scout is THE speed tanker, give them a 5% buff to sprint and move speed, and to help all scouts who stack kin cats make a better calculation for strafe speed, and reduce aim assist by about 50%.

proposed equation= sprint speed+movement speed/ constant k (which will be some number in between 2.5 and 3)

Yes but speed tanking should not really be limited to one suit/frame. I mean I've seen some really fast heavies and they are a force not to be reckoned with. Speed tanking a heavy as long as you pack a logi is a pretty solid set up. But not so much viable in other suits where they don't have such high HP to buffer out.

I have used NOTHING BUT SPEED, since Closed Beta. Still efficient and deadly, those who say otherwise are honestly doing it wrong.

The question is do you think that the Minmatar scout losing the profile reduction bonus will be the killer of the minmatar scout speed tanking, and thus Stealth > Speed, except you do gain a low slot in 1.8. But still the fact that you can't speed tank without stealth says something.

Yes but speed tanking should not really be limited to one suit/frame. I mean I've seen some really fast heavies and they are a force not to be reckoned with. Speed tanking a heavy as long as you pack a logi is a pretty solid set up. But not so much viable in other suits where they don't have such high HP to buffer out.

The question is do you think that the Minmatar scout losing the profile reduction bonus will be the killer of the minmatar scout speed tanking, and thus Stealth > Speed, except you do gain a low slot in 1.8. But still the fact that you can't speed tank without stealth says something.

I am aware of this but one thing that the majority of people don't know is; is that there is more then "One-Type" of Stealth. It's Speed Stealth. I have taught only taught a handful of Scouts about it and it is ultimately a very convoluted way of the "Fight or Flight" method that fuses both together.

The gallente scout will be the speed tanker of 1.8, which is kind of sad. They just have to fit and ADV plat, a proto extender, 3 kin cats, and a damage mod, and they are the best suit in the game. They get 4 free low slots, while minmitar only has 2. Fully shield and speed tanked minmitar that can dodge proto scanners is slower and has less HP than a speed tanked gallente than i mentioned above which passively dodges proto scans.

As a min scout who specced into the role for speed tanking, i don't think this is very fair to the minmitar scouts. We get stuck with the lowest base HP, are forced to use an inferior HP source, and have fewer useful slots (lows) than gallente. In addition, gallente get better fittings, so they can fit a cloak on the aforementioned build if they want an shotgun and SMG and stable scanner, however a minmitar scout cannot if they want to run ishnoks and a basic SMG or stable scanner. This is with fitting skills maxed.

The main problem though is the superiority of a dampening bonus compared to a hacking bonus, and the disparity between armor and shields. Click my sig if you wanna know more about what could fix this

3, you get 3 in 1.8

yes, but you need one for a dampener, while gallente doesn't. Thats the problem

let's not try to nerf the galscout now....
and we are back at point A where Stealth > Speed

I never wanted to nerf the gal scout nononono. The problem is, the minmitar is made for hit and run and speed tanking, but doesn't have the fittings to do so, in other words, shields are not good enough, and their minuscule speed bonus over other suits isGǪ wellGǪ.a paltry way to make up for their suits being gimped in every other way. I seriously encourage you to read my sig link btw, its a long read, but if you stick it out, you'll like it

I made this same argument with Gallente Scouts being OVERALL better (speed, stealth and health) and no one cared. Minmatar Scout (IMO) needs speed in every format. (Shield Recharge or Regulators, Speed and Firing) They are meant for speed and power and all we got was a TINY bit of speed boost and 1 extra low slot that can be pretty much be ran on a Gallente better.

Finally someone who sees the light :)

its very true, and also very unfortunate, and i agree 10000% with you on this

I made this same argument with Gallente Scouts being OVERALL better (speed, stealth and health) and no one cared. Minmatar Scout (IMO) needs speed in every format. (Shield Recharge or Regulators, Speed and Firing) They are meant for speed and power and all we got was a TINY bit of speed boost and 1 extra low slot that can be pretty much be ran on a Gallente better.

Dear Sir, this argument was made long ago in a topic and it faded away as with every other idea I insisted on only to be resurrected again through another person. Perhaps I should be a complete *******? Seems thats the only way to get CCP's attention. Haha it worked when I talked about how **** Shotguns were awhile back. Oh yes I remember that topic title...."CCP WTF DID YOU DO TO MY SHOTGUN!?1" :)

While those are forms of speed tanking in a sense, I would call those regenerative tanking because I do it on my Galscout with armor reps. I don't I agree with the Minmatar Speed-Freak being so broad. I currently agree with their 1.8 bonus because having that fast of a hack on a scout would make CRU hacking way more viable, especially since all scouts get 1.1 bonus anyways.

I believe all forms of scouts are about speed sort of. Regenerative Caldari, Gallente, and Amarr doing Shield Regen, Armor Regen, stamina regen respectively. While the Minmatar gets the cherry on top with sublime speed and hacking *******. And yes, currently the Gallente Scout is overall more viable but don't hold that against us or anyone really even if you weren't. With only two current scouts one was bound to outshine the other. Now with a variety mix and completely turned on its head the scouts will have to be reevaluated however speed tanking on a whole looks more and more unappealing to me, a stealth/scan "tanker?" in 1.8 because it looks so biased in my favor, especially if CCP wouldn't be reducing all scout profiles.

Gallente everything will be FoTM come 1.8, i can guarantee it. I just hope for your sake that nyan san doesn't decode to start running gk.0 scouts with 4x adv plates, and 2x damage mods with rail rifles and cloaks. However, this does seem like what will happen

Actually Caldari Scout will be FOTM
4 Shield Extenders, Shield Regulators, <2 seconds shield delay with the highest shield regen on a dropsuit.

and they will be one shotted by a scrambler rifle on an amarr commando. Shields are not good enough to be FoTM

but a cal scout with 1x PD, 1x range, 2x precision, and 2x extenders with a proto cloak will be really good IMO

Actually Caldari Scout will be FOTM
4 Shield Extenders, Shield Regulators, <2 seconds shield delay with the highest shield regen on a dropsuit.

Hell I get charge sniper OHK'd right now anyways and I have run 4 enhanced plates on a scout before and really was nothing very FOTM appealing. Really it goes toe to toe but coming across any CR, HMG, railgun in the open pretty much negates it.

That's a point where speed does come in handy, like previously mentioned, escape. But stealth will do in a snap if you are in the cities.

I'm trying to look out for the sake of speed tanking in 1.8 Lightning and in your honest opinion, simple yes/no, do you think it will be viable in 1.8 without much mixing into HP or Stealth.