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Posted - 2014.02.04 02:44:00 -
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I have used NOTHING BUT SPEED, since Closed Beta. Still efficient and deadly, those who say otherwise are honestly doing it wrong. |
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Posted - 2014.02.04 03:02:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:I have used NOTHING BUT SPEED, since Closed Beta. Still efficient and deadly, those who say otherwise are honestly doing it wrong. The question is do you think that the Minmatar scout losing the profile reduction bonus will be the killer of the minmatar scout speed tanking, and thus Stealth > Speed, except you do gain a low slot in 1.8. But still the fact that you can't speed tank without stealth says something.
I am aware of this but one thing that the majority of people don't know is; is that there is more then "One-Type" of Stealth. It's Speed Stealth. I have taught only taught a handful of Scouts about it and it is ultimately a very convoluted way of the "Fight or Flight" method that fuses both together. |
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Posted - 2014.02.04 04:00:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:yes, but you need one for a dampener, while gallente doesn't. Thats the problem let's not try to nerf the galscout now.... and we are back at point A where Stealth > Speed I never wanted to nerf the gal scout nononono. The problem is, the minmitar is made for hit and run and speed tanking, but doesn't have the fittings to do so, in other words, shields are not good enough, and their minuscule speed bonus over other suits isGǪ wellGǪ.a paltry way to make up for their suits being gimped in every other way. I seriously encourage you to read my sig link btw, its a long read, but if you stick it out, you'll like it
I made this same argument with Gallente Scouts being OVERALL better (speed, stealth and health) and no one cared. Minmatar Scout (IMO) needs speed in every format. (Shield Recharge or Regulators, Speed and Firing) They are meant for speed and power and all we got was a TINY bit of speed boost and 1 extra low slot that can be pretty much be ran on a Gallente better. |
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Posted - 2014.02.04 04:07:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:yes, but you need one for a dampener, while gallente doesn't. Thats the problem let's not try to nerf the galscout now.... and we are back at point A where Stealth > Speed I never wanted to nerf the gal scout nononono. The problem is, the minmitar is made for hit and run and speed tanking, but doesn't have the fittings to do so, in other words, shields are not good enough, and their minuscule speed bonus over other suits isGǪ wellGǪ.a paltry way to make up for their suits being gimped in every other way. I seriously encourage you to read my sig link btw, its a long read, but if you stick it out, you'll like it I made this same argument with Gallente Scouts being OVERALL better (speed, stealth and health) and no one cared. Minmatar Scout (IMO) needs speed in every format. (Shield Recharge or Regulators, Speed and Firing) They are meant for speed and power and all we got was a TINY bit of speed boost and 1 extra low slot that can be pretty much be ran on a Gallente better. Finally someone who sees the light :) its very true, and also very unfortunate, and i agree 10000% with you on this
Dear Sir, this argument was made long ago in a topic and it faded away as with every other idea I insisted on only to be resurrected again through another person. Perhaps I should be a complete *******? Seems thats the only way to get CCP's attention. Haha it worked when I talked about how **** Shotguns were awhile back. Oh yes I remember that topic title...."CCP WTF DID YOU DO TO MY SHOTGUN!?1" :) |
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Posted - 2014.02.04 04:51:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Gallente everything will be FoTM come 1.8, i can guarantee it. I just hope for your sake that nyan san doesn't decode to start running gk.0 scouts with 4x adv plates, and 2x damage mods with rail rifles and cloaks. However, this does seem like what will happen
Actually Caldari Scout will be FOTM 4 Shield Extenders, Shield Regulators, <2 seconds shield delay with the highest shield regen on a dropsuit. and they will be one shotted by a scrambler rifle on an amarr commando. Shields are not good enough to be FoTM but a cal scout with 1x PD, 1x range, 2x precision, and 2x extenders with a proto cloak will be really good IMO Hell I get charge sniper OHK'd right now anyways and I have run 4 enhanced plates on a scout before and really was nothing very FOTM appealing. Really it goes toe to toe but coming across any CR, HMG, railgun in the open pretty much negates it. That's a point where speed does come in handy, like previously mentioned, escape. But stealth will do in a snap if you are in the cities. I'm trying to look out for the sake of speed tanking in 1.8 Lightning and in your honest opinion, simple yes/no, do you think it will be viable in 1.8 without much mixing into HP or Stealth.
Honestly, I run shields and speed; that's all about what I have on me. Do I think Speed will be viable in 1.8? Speculation for ME (IMO) yes. Because that is what I know, have done and always WILL DO in DUST 514. (or anything for that matter it's my nature) as for others.....I can't say. |
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Posted - 2014.02.04 05:28:00 -
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Well I guess I am the ONLY dedicated Speed Tanking Scout then. |
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Posted - 2014.02.04 14:57:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:I have used NOTHING BUT SPEED, since Closed Beta. Still efficient and deadly, those who say otherwise are honestly doing it wrong. Says the guy that quit the game when Aim Assist was at its strongest
I quit, because I was fed up with CCP's direction. Especially after talking with Jenza when she randomly joined a squad I was in. I asked her a few questions and her response to Scouts was unsatisfying. And Aim Assist is still a problem but I still almost always come first in every game. |
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Posted - 2014.02.04 15:07:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:Well I guess I am the ONLY dedicated Speed Tanking Scout then. And average deaths and kills normally DO NOT exceed over 15+ deaths. (For me) I have killed even numerous enemies IN WIDE OPEN spaces. And have succeeded, is Speed Tanking dead? NO. Is it poorly used? YES. While CCP should buff it with suits and just in general, it takes a different mindset when doing it. Im not saying its useless, i regularly go 15-3, 15-5, 25-4, etc with my basic minmitar scout suit speed tanking, however, its not as effective as it should be. By dead, i mean that no one will use it because of how much skill and practice it takes
Your, absolutely right in regards to no one even remotely using it past the first objective. It doesn't make sense to me as to why people skill up into Kin Cats and then not even use it anymore. Scouts lately have become too dependent on E-war/Armor and not anymore on their natural instincts and Speed. Will 1.8 possibly have an influx on Scouts? Probably. But when it does I will be there in the same speed set up I am in now. |
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:02:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:I have used NOTHING BUT SPEED, since Closed Beta. Still efficient and deadly, those who say otherwise are honestly doing it wrong. Says the guy that quit the game when Aim Assist was at its strongest I quit, because I was fed up with CCP's direction. Especially after talking with Jenza when she randomly joined a squad I was in. I asked her a few questions and her response to Scouts was unsatisfying. And Aim Assist is still a problem but I still almost always come first in every game. The point was not that you took a hiatus, but when you took it. I'd like to see how your speed tank fared then. But you're also confusing personal skill with viability. I can regularly get a 3.50+KDR with a plasma cannon and flaylock pistol on a C-1 Assault. Does that make it viable? No, it means that either I am a good play or that the other people are bad players. DTOracle wrote:With the 3rd low slot on my Min scout, I will definitely be speed tanking in 1.8. But whether it will be more viable than stealth, only time will tell. Though I doubt it personally. I'm telling you, 40 cpu and 9 pg is a cheap price to pay for 30 seconds of electronic invisibility to proto scanners. the cloak is going to be a great active dampener.
My speed tanking had gone just the same as every other game when I returned, nothing had really changed. But a lot was going on during the time before I had left but as I stated that final conversation with Jenza was ultimately the main reason. It felt like I was investing my time into a game/developer that only catered to the Mass. (Assault Vehicles/ Logi/ Heavy) And the Kin Cats (stated again IMO) are viable it's just that the mass amount of people do not know how to properly use it. (Which could be good or bad) Could it be improved? YES absolutely, but remember it still takes a different kind of mindset/player to use it. And what fears me about "New" Stealth (i.e. Cloak/Dampners) is that Scout will be SPAMMING it and it will get out of hand with: CAMPING. |
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:59:00 -
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Master Smurf wrote:How is the right way to use kin cats ?
You cant run away from people if they are even half decent at shooting.
Any other instance you are already using stealth even though it isnt a module. Many have determined that they already can do that with much more tank and even more firepower. You claiming some knowledge that so many others dont possess is...
Please just tell us so veteran players can agree or shoot it down.
My take is you are just a good FPS player who uses their smarts and gun game to excel. The same thing other good players have done with the scout suit through different methods.
It's not so much knowledge but the fact that I have been running this type a suit for a long time and I have learned its strengths and weakness. A big thing about Speed that was discussed with Jenza, is the fact that the game CAN'T keep up with a suit running that fast. So sometimes you will get the infamous. "Hit-Scan". And a lot of what I taught at RONIN was certain animal patterns that can sometimes bypass some shots because the frames at the second and the speed implemented within the suit. |
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