Do you speed tankers believe that 1.8 might kill speed tanking further? The common saying is "Speed tanking is fun but dead". Currently this is due to issues from back in Chromosome with the Keanu Reeves Scouts and hit detection. However speed is definitely useful, for instance escapes.

But that is currently one of the two best uses for speed tanking: Escaping and getting around. Other than that pretty useless given that Kin Cats only effect sprint. On the other side of things, Stealth and health are both good for escaping and attacking/biting back. Seeing as how vehicles offer the best mode of getting around anyways, Speed has the short end of the stick (strictly infantry)

I don't see many speed tanked suits unless they are completely CQC oriented but even then it's a rarity. Seeing as 1.8 CCP plans to make a big push for more Stealth/EWar, while giving bonuses to suits for health/resistance, is it a fair assessment to say that 1.8 will cut out half of speed tanking?

I can see speed tanking in the sense of Codebreakers still viable but other than that will it last in the game of mighty HP and super sleuths? I haven't seen anyone discuss the outcomes of speed in 1.8 and how it will effect the Bottle Users, while obvious buffs in Stealth and Health are made.

I like this game in it's 3 ring approach, stealth health and biotics. But currently even biotics are dwarfed by the other rings and while they still have a use it's slowly being encroached upon by the Stealth and Health rings. Minmatar Scout may be the last bastion of Speed tanking in 1.8 with it's innate code breakers but after that pfft.

I'd like to see speed mean something more in this game. I think the scout community agrees that Stealth > Speed, but to all others do foresee the 1.8 threat to your speed-tanking way of life?

Yes but speed tanking should not really be limited to one suit/frame. I mean I've seen some really fast heavies and they are a force not to be reckoned with. Speed tanking a heavy as long as you pack a logi is a pretty solid set up. But not so much viable in other suits where they don't have such high HP to buffer out.

The question is do you think that the Minmatar scout losing the profile reduction bonus will be the killer of the minmatar scout speed tanking, and thus Stealth > Speed, except you do gain a low slot in 1.8. But still the fact that you can't speed tank without stealth says something.

3, you get 3 in 1.8

let's not try to nerf the galscout now....
and we are back at point A where Stealth > Speed

I made this same argument with Gallente Scouts being OVERALL better (speed, stealth and health) and no one cared. Minmatar Scout (IMO) needs speed in every format. (Shield Recharge or Regulators, Speed and Firing) They are meant for speed and power and all we got was a TINY bit of speed boost and 1 extra low slot that can be pretty much be ran on a Gallente better.

Dear Sir, this argument was made long ago in a topic and it faded away as with every other idea I insisted on only to be resurrected again through another person. Perhaps I should be a complete *******? Seems thats the only way to get CCP's attention. Haha it worked when I talked about how **** Shotguns were awhile back. Oh yes I remember that topic title...."CCP WTF DID YOU DO TO MY SHOTGUN!?1" :)

While those are forms of speed tanking in a sense, I would call those regenerative tanking because I do it on my Galscout with armor reps. I don't I agree with the Minmatar Speed-Freak being so broad. I currently agree with their 1.8 bonus because having that fast of a hack on a scout would make CRU hacking way more viable, especially since all scouts get 1.1 bonus anyways.

I believe all forms of scouts are about speed sort of. Regenerative Caldari, Gallente, and Amarr doing Shield Regen, Armor Regen, stamina regen respectively. While the Minmatar gets the cherry on top with sublime speed and hacking *******. And yes, currently the Gallente Scout is overall more viable but don't hold that against us or anyone really even if you weren't. With only two current scouts one was bound to outshine the other. Now with a variety mix and completely turned on its head the scouts will have to be reevaluated however speed tanking on a whole looks more and more unappealing to me, a stealth/scan "tanker?" in 1.8 because it looks so biased in my favor, especially if CCP wouldn't be reducing all scout profiles.

Actually Caldari Scout will be FOTM
4 Shield Extenders, Shield Regulators, <2 seconds shield delay with the highest shield regen on a dropsuit.

Hell I get charge sniper OHK'd right now anyways and I have run 4 enhanced plates on a scout before and really was nothing very FOTM appealing. Really it goes toe to toe but coming across any CR, HMG, railgun in the open pretty much negates it.

That's a point where speed does come in handy, like previously mentioned, escape. But stealth will do in a snap if you are in the cities.

I'm trying to look out for the sake of speed tanking in 1.8 Lightning and in your honest opinion, simple yes/no, do you think it will be viable in 1.8 without much mixing into HP or Stealth.

Well I guess I am the ONLY dedicated Speed Tanking Scout then. And average deaths and kills normally DO NOT exceed over 15+ deaths. (For me) I have killed even numerous enemies IN WIDE OPEN spaces. And have succeeded, is Speed Tanking dead? NO. Is it poorly used? YES. While CCP should buff it with suits and just in general, it takes a different mindset when doing it.

I have 2 speed suits. 2 reds, a green, and a codebreaker or 3 reds and a green. Flux uplinks to go with them. The suit has 1 job, to get to the uncapped points at the start of a skirmish. I'll hack the nearest objective, switch to a speed suit with gauged uplinks, and never use it again.

The first big hit to speed tanking was the change of a 1 second delay to stamina regen from sprinting, the second was aim assist, and now hit-detection is at its most effective ever. 5 rail rifle bullets or 2 bursts from a combat rifle kill my suits, all hit with enhanced accuracy.

The cloak will do well to bring back speed tanking. regardless of "shimmer" it is 30/60/80 seconds of electronic cloak without taking up a low slot for a dampener. Rumors of reduction to weapon damage, if proven true, will give everyone more time find cover if spotted. And fixing the scanners to work as originally intended, having a "snapshot" effect, will reduce the scan spam.

What I think will be a great incentive for me, though, is the return of the 6th slot of proto scouts. I've had the utmost level of hate for the Minmatar Scout since May. It is just such a bad suit. 1.8 makes me take back all my hate because it has become my lovely Scout Vk.0 again.

lol Gal Scout with 2 complex shield extenders will have 232 shields, 162 armor and 4 kincats bring it to 11.11m/s
Min scout with 3 complex shield extenders will have 354 shields and 87 armor, and 3 kincats bring it to 11.11m/s

So max sprint will be the same while the Min scout gets 47 more HP. though change a red for a green and speeds drop to 10.37 and 10.72 respectively. Though unless you're using an Allotek Plasma Cannon and Core Flaylock pistol you won't be able to fit proto weapons or EQ other than a nanohive with an ADV cloak.

As long as Aim Assist exists, speed tanking will always be UP.

I believe that removing AA, allowing Kinetic Catalyzers to affect strafing speed, and increasing TTK will bring speed tanking to a better place.

The point was not that you took a hiatus, but when you took it. I'd like to see how your speed tank fared then. But you're also confusing personal skill with viability. I can regularly get a 3.50+KDR with a plasma cannon and flaylock pistol on a C-1 Assault. Does that make it viable? No, it means that either I am a good play or that the other people are bad players.I'm telling you, 40 cpu and 9 pg is a cheap price to pay for 30 seconds of electronic invisibility to proto scanners. the cloak is going to be a great active dampener.

You forgot SMG and the soon to be deployed MagSec

So would speed tanking become worth it if scanners produced periodic pings of scanned targets rather than fixed location locks? By that I mean it only refreshes the scanned targets location every 1 second (depending on scanner used and such) so that if you are speed tanked you could still have a decent element of surprise vs scanners?

Trust me min scouts are gonna be deadly come 1.8, sure the gal has more lows an it's getting another high slot, but say speed tanking it isn't gonna be as viable as you think, the min got a base movement speed increase which leads one to believe our base sprint will be faster.
So say you want 3x kinetics on a gallente, a regulator an 2x comp shields to make up for the armor that's gonna kill CPU an pg to fit 2 weapons an equip just to run aprox 10.73, the min runs 10.38 now without the base stat change, plus cloak has a 25% reduction to profile, so with skills up an a cloak an three kinetics an stacking penalties it's safe to say you could almost run 11.38? Won't know till we see the full stats but lets just say it does, an you can still fit 3x shields an be under 28 your still gonna have 400+ HP an be fast as hell, sure the gall has more lows an better base stats as far as its range, profile an 3 HP goes, but you gotta use the suit according to its bonuses, now that min is the hacker even if you get scanned you gotta just book if scanned but with a 35 base db an pd to 5 an a cloak it shouldn't be to hard hide.

Personally I ll run armor on mine an 2 speed, still run + ten, 343 shields 180 armor with a cloak re knives an a CR
BUT even in the gal I'd rather hide than be fast, it all depends on if you still die once you turned a corner.

You dont need 3 extenders, you dont need 3 catalysers

2 kin cats and a regulator or a kin cat, a reg and whatever can be a much better setup.

A Scout shouldnt be in head on warfare so drop a shield for a lesser damage mod or energizer and put to use the extra CPU you have over some of the other suits.

Also the Combat Rifle and Flaylock have less requirements by design and the basic SMG is fine at only 15/3 iirc.

You also have the possibility of using PG upgrades now that the minnie pro has 3 lows.

Far from doom and gloom

I don't care about your hypothetical scenario, we are talking about what CCP posted not what you want no offense.

So you don't believe the speed tanking is viable alone, although it is one of the hardest modules to sink into? You believe that multiple regenerative modules should have to be applied as well to make up it's wake which would although add to the SP makes sense, though not to those who choose the path of speed tanking themselves perhaps.

I really don't think it's aim assist now. They have toned it down a lot from where they initially had it. I think the real issue is the damage output and low TTK. Fix that and I think you'll find the whole game experience much improved.

The idea of speed tanking as infantry is a joke.

Same here.

Once AA was turned on.. harshly... I tried some other setups.. But still made it back to speed tanking as the most effective way to play as a Min Scout.