people head glitch with AR's its just how that game works, you wanna shoot a head glitcher in the redline your just gonna have to fine a higher spot than he and hit him from there I know Ive done it alot, but alas i dont make vids so "it didnt happen" :D

Snipers generally do well like when most are doing well, IE the team has locked down the objective and are just stomping the enemy. The snipers I have seen leave the red line get killed if they are actually helpful as I know if no one else will I will hunt them down.

That said, I have seen plenty of Thales or charged snipers, but never have I seen one leave the red line. On top of that, I've never seen a Thales sniper that wasn't head glitching either which I always point out and I always see ignored in every sniper thread. People QQ about "Pro" snipers, because the most damaging ones sit in red lines on maps where they can and thales snipe while exploting POV bugs since the camera will stick out above a red line hill while your head model doesn't. Even if you approach them from the side they will wear a 1000 ehp suit so that if you head shot them once from the side they will sprint down the crest of the hill and hide until they have full hp then readjust to POV bug towards where you hit them from.

Most maps place the red line cliffs above nearby cliffs that will actually render making counter sniping all the more of a nightmare.

Sniping is broken right now for everyone else, that's why so much hate is thrown at snipers. That's why people call orbitals on redline snipers. Because, the red line + head glitching removes all plausible counters beyond an orbital that the rest of us who are trying to actually play the game and not be an exploitative jerk would rather deal with like an orbital on the main enemy counter attacks.

You pro snipers that leave the red line no one is complaining about you. They are complaining about over saturation of snipers on a team or the redline glitchers.

On occassions I run a thales, but I have no problem moving around the map with it. I'm not scared to lose it. I also dont sit in the redline with it. I do use elevated positions that require a DS to reach.

Vid of you sniping an armor tanked head glitcher from a lower elevation or it didn't happen, otherwise you are just another thales redline head glitcher trolling the forum in hopes that CCP continues to ignore the glitch.

At least those Rail tanks I can chase off the cliff from a lower elevation with my forge gun. You can't do that with a head glitcher as the body isn't visible unless you are above them which is impossible if they use the right cliff in their redline (Which the primary abusers do).

If you read my above posts, you'd know that when I snipe, it's not for KDR. I snipe on maps where I can help with objectives from a sniper perch. (Manus Peaks, usually.) Actually the most leaderboard-stacky I get is when I logi. I love me some war points. Find a heavy, park on it with a repper. 3k warpoints easy. Just saying. You make a lot of generalizations without knowing what you're talking about.

Most redline snipers are very easy targets. They seem to like to sit right on the crest of hills, silhouetting themselves against the sky. As to the head glitching ones. You're not going to be able to shoot anyone from a lower elevation when they're headglitching, regardless of what weapon they're using. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Headglitchers usually aren't at the highest possible elevation though, so it takes a little time and effort, but you can usually get to a position where you have a shot.

And bad snipers don't make good snipers look bad, they make themselves look bad and good ones look amazing in comparison. I class myself more towards average than good or bad when I'm sniping. Right now I'm running mostly assault and only really switching when I see there's a sniper redberry on the field. When that happens I usually decide to take up the hunt for them.

By look bad I mean that this thread is started about how snipers are useful! Which is a reaction to the negative attitude the community has towards them, which is in reaction to the bull tactics that you guys claim not to use and like I've said no one is complaining about the snipers that don't employ said tactics.

And again, you admit that it does happen "Headglitchers USUALLY aren't at the highest possible elevation", the community is pissed off at the "NOT USUALLY" ones.

And like I said to the other guy, the community ISN'T raging about you. They rage at the 10 blueberry snipers that won't push on the objective and the red liners.

ok vid of redline sniper making a difference in the battle ?

They kill players which cost them their suits/kdr and cannot be encroached upon when red line head glitching from a higher elevation.

You want me to prove that snipers are useful? You do realize that I don't even think snipers are necessary. Just another form of play like vehicles. I am simply trying to explain one half of the reason why players get pissy with snipers. The other half would be like the 10 snipers on one side issue, they aren't necessary.

So no I'm not going to post a vid of a sniper making a difference, because I'm not even arguing that you are useful mister strawman.

I don't hate snipers. Snipers are useful.

Those with a sniper rifle in the redline where no one can get them? I hate them.

Kill these people, and I shall defend your role as a sniper til biomass do we part.

There is nothing wrong with a Sniper, they are usefful for the reasons you specifed and more besides it.
The problem is with the Redline Sniper at the edge of the map terrain glitching in a heavy suit, that's the problem.

The problem is none of the above: It's map design. But snipers and redlines are the "most visible symptom", and few are willing to think it through.

Without symptoms, there is no disease.

Actually, no.

I do agree that map design isn't the problem though.

It's rather hilarious.

Everyone calls the sniper useless, but I've yet to see somebody actually disprove the OP with more than a childish "NO!" statement.

I guess that means snipers are useful and 90% of the DUST community are a bunch of elitist pricks.

or you could keep the damage mods and just like double ohko me.