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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:02:00 -
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hgghyujh wrote:because most of you aren't while still managing to be annoying. I can count all the matches that a sniper help the win on one hand. their are too many matches to count that I've seen lost by snipers.
Actually, you might not be able to count all the matches snipers have been usefull to the win. Do you know how many times a sniper shot hasn't killed a redberry but has caused them to divert and go a different way which has led them into the guns of other team members instead of right up behind them? How about how many times members of the other team have been busy hunting snipers rather than concentrating on the objectives changing a close loss to a close win for you? Do you know how many times a sniper, again, not killing due to having to take bodyshots, has kept reds back from the objectives as they dodge the incoming shots meaning that your team takes the objective rather than losing clones?
No, you don't. Those sorts of things aren't noticed or recorded.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:07:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Teilka Darkmist wrote:hgghyujh wrote:because most of you aren't while still managing to be annoying. I can count all the matches that a sniper help the win on one hand. their are too many matches to count that I've seen lost by snipers. Actually, you might not be able to count all the matches snipers have been usefull to the win. Do you know how many times a sniper shot hasn't killed a redberry but has caused them to divert and go a different way which has led them into the guns of other team members instead of right up behind them? How about how many times members of the other team have been busy hunting snipers rather than concentrating on the objectives changing a close loss to a close win for you? Do you know how many times a sniper, again, not killing due to having to take bodyshots, has kept reds back from the objectives as they dodge the incoming shots meaning that your team takes the objective rather than losing clones? No, you don't. Those sorts of things aren't noticed or recorded. Or statistically significant, I'd wager.
You'd probably be surprised. These sorts of things add up pretty quickly.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:10:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Snipers generally do well like when most are doing well, IE the team has locked down the objective and are just stomping the enemy. The snipers I have seen leave the red line get killed if they are actually helpful as I know if no one else will I will hunt them down.
That said, I have seen plenty of Thales or charged snipers, but never have I seen one leave the red line. On top of that, I've never seen a Thales sniper that wasn't head glitching either which I always point out and I always see ignored in every sniper thread. People QQ about "Pro" snipers, because the most damaging ones sit in red lines on maps where they can and thales snipe while exploting POV bugs since the camera will stick out above a red line hill while your head model doesn't. Even if you approach them from the side they will wear a 1000 ehp suit so that if you head shot them once from the side they will sprint down the crest of the hill and hide until they have full hp then readjust to POV bug towards where you hit them from.
Most maps place the red line cliffs above nearby cliffs that will actually render making counter sniping all the more of a nightmare.
Sniping is broken right now for everyone else, that's why so much hate is thrown at snipers. That's why people call orbitals on redline snipers. Because, the red line + head glitching removes all plausible counters beyond an orbital that the rest of us who are trying to actually play the game and not be an exploitative jerk would rather deal with.
You pro snipers that leave the red line no one is complaining about you. They are complaining about over saturation of snipers on a team or the redline glitchers.
I always leave the redline and have never used a Thales. My main sniping fit has a Charge but I've mostly been using Militia fits recently to bolster my wallet a little. I've also been trying to improve my closer in game, which is working a bit. When I'm not on a team getting stomped anyway.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:40:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:You guys are just getting caught in the crossfire rage because it is infuriating to have no option to deal with another player short of trying to suicide drop ship into them/waste an orbital. If a sniper can kill you, you can kill them. Doesn't matter where on the map they are. Redline tanks: Much harder to kill. TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:You guys that actually move about should be just as pissed off at these guys as the rest of us as they make you look bad. Why would I be ticked off at easy targets? I love redline snipers. :) Vid of you sniping an armor tanked head glitcher from a lower elevation or it didn't happen, otherwise you are just another thales redline head glitcher trolling the forum in hopes that CCP continues to ignore the glitch. At least those Rail tanks I can chase off the cliff from a lower elevation with my forge gun. You can't do that with a head glitcher as the body isn't visible unless you are above them which is impossible if they use the right cliff in their redline (Which the primary abusers do).
Most redline snipers are very easy targets. They seem to like to sit right on the crest of hills, silhouetting themselves against the sky. As to the head glitching ones. You're not going to be able to shoot anyone from a lower elevation when they're headglitching, regardless of what weapon they're using. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Headglitchers usually aren't at the highest possible elevation though, so it takes a little time and effort, but you can usually get to a position where you have a shot.
And bad snipers don't make good snipers look bad, they make themselves look bad and good ones look amazing in comparison. I class myself more towards average than good or bad when I'm sniping. Right now I'm running mostly assault and only really switching when I see there's a sniper redberry on the field. When that happens I usually decide to take up the hunt for them.
Woman.
Sniper, but from near the opponent's redline more often than not.
Not a KDR Worshipper.
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:49:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Teilka Darkmist wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:
Vid of you sniping an armor tanked head glitcher from a lower elevation or it didn't happen, otherwise you are just another thales redline head glitcher trolling the forum in hopes that CCP continues to ignore the glitch.
At least those Rail tanks I can chase off the cliff from a lower elevation with my forge gun. You can't do that with a head glitcher as the body isn't visible unless you are above them which is impossible if they use the right cliff in their redline (Which the primary abusers do).
Most redline snipers are very easy targets. They seem to like to sit right on the crest of hills, silhouetting themselves against the sky. As to the head glitching ones. You're not going to be able to shoot anyone from a lower elevation when they're headglitching, regardless of what weapon they're using. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Headglitchers usually aren't at the highest possible elevation though, so it takes a little time and effort, but you can usually get to a position where you have a shot. And bad snipers don't make good snipers look bad, they make themselves look bad and good ones look amazing in comparison. I class myself more towards average than good or bad when I'm sniping. Right now I'm running mostly assault and only really switching when I see there's a sniper redberry on the field. When that happens I usually decide to take up the hunt for them. By look bad I mean that this thread is started about how snipers are useful! Which is a reaction to the negative attitude the community has towards them, which is in reaction to the bull tactics that you guys claim not to use and like I've said no one is complaining about the snipers that don't employ said tactics. And again, you admit that it does happen "Headglitchers USUALLY aren't at the highest possible elevation", the community is pissed off at the "NOT USUALLY" ones.
I say usually because I can't say for certain that it never happens. I can't remember every having seen someone headglitching from the highest possible elevation and in the redline, but that's not the same as saying it never happens.
Woman.
Sniper, but from near the opponent's redline more often than not.
Not a KDR Worshipper.
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:31:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Tyjus Vacca wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:iTbagyou wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Snipers generally do well like when most are doing well, IE the team has locked down the objective and are just stomping the enemy. The snipers I have seen leave the red line get killed if they are actually helpful as I know if no one else will I will hunt them down.
That said, I have seen plenty of Thales or charged snipers, but never have I seen one leave the red line. On top of that, I've never seen a Thales sniper that wasn't head glitching either which I always point out and I always see ignored in every sniper thread. People QQ about "Pro" snipers, because the most damaging ones sit in red lines on maps where they can and thales snipe while exploting POV bugs since the camera will stick out above a red line hill while your head model doesn't. Even if you approach them from the side they will wear a 1000 ehp suit so that if you head shot them once from the side they will sprint down the crest of the hill and hide until they have full hp then readjust to POV bug towards where you hit them from.
Most maps place the red line cliffs above nearby cliffs that will actually render making counter sniping all the more of a nightmare.
Sniping is broken right now for everyone else, that's why so much hate is thrown at snipers. That's why people call orbitals on redline snipers. Because, the red line + head glitching removes all plausible counters beyond an orbital that the rest of us who are trying to actually play the game and not be an exploitative jerk would rather deal with like an orbital on the main enemy counter attacks.
You pro snipers that leave the red line no one is complaining about you. They are complaining about over saturation of snipers on a team or the redline glitchers. On occassions I run a thales, but I have no problem moving around the map with it. I'm not scared to lose it. I also dont sit in the redline with it. I do use elevated positions that require a DS to reach. And like I said to the other guy, the community ISN'T raging about you. They rage at the 10 blueberry snipers that won't push on the objective and the red liners. ok vid of redline sniper making a difference in the battle ? They kill players which cost them their suits/kdr and cannot be encroached upon when red line head glitching from a higher elevation. You want me to prove that snipers are useful? You do realize that I don't even think snipers are necessary. Just another form of play like vehicles. I am simply trying to explain one half of the reason why players get pissy with snipers. The other half would be like the 10 snipers on one side issue, they aren't necessary. So no I'm not going to post a vid of a sniper making a difference, because I'm not even arguing that you are useful mister strawman.
KDR is entirely unimportant in a battle, I know I for one wouldn't mourn if it were removed entirely. Loss of individual suits are often unimportant in a battle either. It's rare I play a match where the win or loss is by clone reserves depleted. Admittedly in ambush it is an important factor, but otherwise it's usually, in my experience, when the MMC is destroyed that the battle is over.
So essentially, redline snipers not making a significant contribution to the game is a non-issue. I personally haven't ever come across a sniper that couldn't be counter sniped as far as I can recall, which is not to say it doesn't happen, just that I haven't seen it (and I'm a player who will often go out hunting redliners)
Yes, 10 snipers on one team can be an issue, but how many of the times when that happens are the team with 10 snipers a team of randoms against a team of at least 2 or 3 squads which is pretty much a guaranteed stomp? Switching to a sniper fit is one of the few ways of countering this sort of thing, which often is laying down covering fire for the other 6 to get past the organised teams and drop some uplinks or hack some objectives so that the rest of the team can get out.
The reason most of the players who get pissy at snipers do so, is because they don't see those of us who do the job properly as part of our job is to not been seen doing it. So they think most or all snipers are the redline types and they see we don't get huge KDR or WP scores and assume that means we haven't done much in the match.
Woman.
Sniper, but from near the opponent's redline more often than not.
Not a KDR Worshipper.
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