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stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1072	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:18:00 - [1] - Quote Am I the only one who thinks this? STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1963	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:18:00 - [2] - Quote Heavies with light weapons is such a crutch. Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3866	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:21:00 - [3] - Quote No, no they should not. It has been possible since always. What is wrong now? My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1369	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:21:00 - [4] - Quote no, you're not. it's too often that you see MLT heavy frames with proto rifles. but there is only 1 anti infantry heavy weapon, and using 1 weapon would get old for anyone. i won't lie though. it's much easier to knife or shotgun a heavy with a rifle than one with a HMG. Anime > EVERYTHING
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6480	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:22:00 - [5] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Heavies with light weapons is such a crutch. calling the 2nd most UP suit a crutch......yup.... "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1309	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:23:00 - [6] - Quote If there was a variety of heavy weapons this wouldn't be a problem. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1072	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:25:00 - [7] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No, no they should not. It has been possible since always. What is wrong now? I can't put a damage mod in a low slot so why a light weapon in the heavy slot? Why not make it a "W" slot since any weapon can fit into it, not to mention it would make the commando more appealing. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6325	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:26:00 - [8] - Quote Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1072	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:27:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Heavies with light weapons is such a crutch. calling the 2nd most UP suit a crutch......yup.... Lets a couple of plates and core HP skills, 1500 EHP with a weapon doing 600 DPS at over 80m yeah that UP STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 643	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:29:00 - [10] - Quote A heavy suit is the only frame capable of wielding a Heavy weapon due to power constraints. That's like saying a Ford F-150 can carry a log, but not a stuffed animal or a dog house. Go play X where you can't fit bullet weapons on turret slots. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 8857	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:31:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Heavies with light weapons is such a crutch. calling the 2nd most UP suit a crutch......yup.... Commandos are fine. What he is referring to is the practice of using a sentinel/basic frame for a load of cheap HP and then using weapons such as the RR. It's vastly more effective than using a medium frame for bad players because they have such a massive pool of HP to fall back on. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1790	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:33:00 - [12] - Quote Heavies can have whatever weapon they feel like. The heavy gains this perk in return for his equipment slot. He then sacrifices his slots and manoeuvrability for his high EHP. If your only concern is that people are bricktanking heavies for a little extra EHP then I suggest you need to work on your aim whilst moving. Because heavies are terrible shots. Besides its no different to a BrickTanked proto v Mlt Frontline, yet that is considered fair. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1072	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:35:00 - [13] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Heavies can have whatever weapon they feel like. The heavy gains this perk in return for his equipment slot. He then sacrifices his slots and manoeuvrability for his high EHP. If your only concern is that people are bricktanking heavies for a little extra EHP then I suggest you need to work on your aim whilst moving. Because heavies are terrible shots. Besides its no different to a BrickTanked proto v Mlt Frontline, yet that is considered fair. The problem isn't CQC RR heavies, its facing 1500HP at 80+m doing 600DPS STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Jake Bloodworth Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 366	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:38:00 - [14] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. As a true heavy, I'm not a fan of the current RR heavy craze. That being said, people are QQing for the same reason they always QQ. A non assault/logistic suit is killing them.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1072	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:42:00 - [15] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. As a true heavy, I'm not a fan of the current RR heavy craze. That being said, people are QQing for the same reason they always QQ. A non assault/logistic suit is killing them. Not QQing I just think that the commando should be the heavy frame that uses light weapons, it would lead to more commando on the field. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
echo47 Minmatar Republic 188	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:46:00 - [16] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. Because of heavy with proto rail, and there is nothing wrong with it. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1790	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:47:00 - [17] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Heavies can have whatever weapon they feel like. The heavy gains this perk in return for his equipment slot. He then sacrifices his slots and manoeuvrability for his high EHP. If your only concern is that people are bricktanking heavies for a little extra EHP then I suggest you need to work on your aim whilst moving. Because heavies are terrible shots. Besides its no different to a BrickTanked proto v Mlt Frontline, yet that is considered fair. The problem isn't CQC RR heavies, its facing 1500HP at 80+m doing 600DPS I never mentioned CQC, if you are complaing because your getting outranged by an Amarr Suit with a Caldari Weapon (built for range) then man are you gonna whine when the caldari heavy AI weapon is released. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6481	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:52:00 - [18] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Jake Bloodworth wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. As a true heavy, I'm not a fan of the current RR heavy craze. That being said, people are QQing for the same reason they always QQ. A non assault/logistic suit is killing them. Not QQing I just think that the commando should be the heavy frame that uses light weapons, it would lead to more commando on the field. Dude check 1.8 Commando stats. You will be seeing more of their kind on the map anyway. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Jenova Rhapsodos Fatal Absolution 173	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:53:00 - [19] - Quote I don't like heavies with light weapons but I don't think they need to be removed. They're really just for players that need the extra HP to fall back on. It's a newb friendly combination really . My only problem is running into a Proto RR Heavy with my ScR out. Always a challenging kill.
Oswald Rehnquist 1204	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:03:00 - [20] - Quote The front line rifles are over powered compared to the vast majority of the weapons (whether by design it should or shouldn't be), nerf them and you won't find heavies running them anymore, the fact they are chosen over other weapon is entirely based on the fact that they are powerful, also their one infantry weapon is a sup up smg with limited range, thus they are easily defeated by map design. I hate when heavies do it, because its hard to counter (so I moan and whine in game), but on the other hand as I stated earlier, the hmg is limited by map design, and they don't have equipment slots to spam wps with, so its understandable, especially when the favoritism has traditionally been directed towards medium frames with all their content out first. Below 28 dB

Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 268	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:18:00 - [21] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? I USED to think this. Till i saw a squad of STB which you were in,using FOTM RR and CR. I was hiding fearing death,and lo and behold a sentinel with a RR came around a corner behind meee and swatted you all down. Twas' glorious! Then 2 more heavies came and we had a durable wall of heavy death and destruction. I support heavies with light weapons. (literately) Sexy jutsu Time to jaaam!
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 165	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:23:00 - [22] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No, no they should not. It has been possible since always. What is wrong now? I can't put a damage mod in a low slot so why a light weapon in the heavy slot? Why not make it a "W" slot since any weapon can fit into it, not to mention it would make the commando more appealing. Um, really? You realize you can also fit a sidearm into a light weapon slot, right? And this has always been the case? So for what you're suggesting, you'd also have to take that ability away on medium and light suits. For some reason the creators of these threads always seem to ignore that fact. Go figure. Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Snail Stifle. Look, as has been said so many times by so many people now, if Sentinels are choosing to run with light weapons instead of heavy weapons, then there's something wrong with the weapon balance. I'd pretty much always rather have my HMG than any assault rifle, this thing wrecks people in it's optimal. And in case it wasn't obvious, heavy weapons are supposed to be more lethal than light weapons (if also at least more niche), just like light weapons are more lethal than sidearms. So don't complain about the suits, complain about the unbalanced weapons. Perhaps specifically that the assault rifles still seem to outperform most everything else in most situations. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3033	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:57:00 - [23] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? Give heavies a full array of weapons and I'll consider politely saying "no". Until then: GTFO No.
Mad Greasemonkey NervousMoment. 8	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:09:00 - [24] - Quote The problem is not the pssibility to fit a RR but the fact that a HMG is still underpowered at range. The HMG still needs more oompf at range.
Long Evity 1468	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:14:00 - [25] - Quote lemme get this straight: It's cool that I can hulk around a giant gun that can't hit past 40m - but it's completely wrong for me to use... a smaller weapon with range. What? The best excuse someone came up with was, "Heavies have fat fingers, how they pull the trigger?" And even that is redundant. Fact is - HMG has the highest DPS output right now - if a heavy is using a light weapon it's because he's A) In ambush B) Not in city squad, so is most likely out in open C) Is in a game where everyone is on a roof Because, let's face it - HMG is not a weapon to exceed in variety of encounters. So unless you can give us a heavy weapon that CAN - please continue to feed us your tears about light weapons. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Magewarlord Contract Hunters 38	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:21:00 - [26] - Quote As a dedicated heavy myself, I'd say sure whatever. But realistically they should be able to carry whatever.
WUT ANG D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 78	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:40:00 - [27] - Quote Commandos should be medium frame.........Assault - Logi - Commando Swarm SP Refund Please!!!!!!! "LONG LIVE DARK LEGION"
Tectonic Fusion 1018	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:44:00 - [28] - Quote Jenova Rhapsodos wrote: I don't like heavies with light weapons but I don't think they need to be removed. They're really just for players that need the extra HP to fall back on. It's a newb friendly combination really . My only problem is running into a Proto RR Heavy with my ScR out. Always a challenging kill. Guerrilla tactics are your friend. And don't be afraid to use that SMG if they ever get pissed about you popping in and out of cover. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4326	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:46:00 - [29] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? Yes. AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG \| YOU EITHER LOVE BACON OR YOU ARE WRONG
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3024	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:49:00 - [30] - Quote I don't care because if I can kill you before you kill me, then that makes it all the better. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2144	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:50:00 - [31] - Quote Long's post summed it up the best... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 167	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:51:00 - [32] - Quote WUT ANG wrote: Commandos should be medium frame.........Assault - Logi - Commando Um, why? Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
Tectonic Fusion 1019	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:06:00 - [33] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: WUT ANG wrote: Commandos should be medium frame.........Assault - Logi - Commando Um, why? Because he's a derp. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 510	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:09:00 - [34] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. My guess is the RR lets them reach out and touch father then when they had to chase you down with just an AR. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Mortedeamor 1326	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:21:00 - [35] - Quote ME +1 +1 for IWS to stay as cpm more-tae-dee-um-more stop asking how to pronounce my name its quite irritating
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 168	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:22:00 - [36] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Summ Dude wrote: WUT ANG wrote: Commandos should be medium frame.........Assault - Logi - Commando Um, why? Because he's a derp. Aww well that's just mean. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10535	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:30:00 - [37] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Heavies with light weapons is such a crutch. Only against bad medium frames who don't know how to strafe, especially considering you can have near comparable HP on a medium frame while maintaining much better mobility plus one or more equipment. You can't give heavies only a CQC weapon (which still makes no sense to me, how a heavy machine gun has terrible range, but...w/e) and expect every heavy to be ok with that. Sometimes you want to shoot back, and since we don't have a full array of options for heavy weapons, the only logical step is to pick up light weapons for the added range and utility. And lastly, if you can pick up 200 lbs, does it not stand to reason that you can pick up 100 lbs? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 26	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:37:00 - [38] - Quote saber has said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8........ changes are comings for the best . hang in there
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 647	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:40:00 - [39] - Quote If light weapons weren't more versatile than a heavy weapon, we wouldn't see heavy-rr being a thing. Why use a Cr when the HMG is better? Is what we should be saying. When a RR has the highest DPC of any other gun, and fits easier than a same tier HMG, why te F wouldn't you fit it? Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 168	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:46:00 - [40] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: saber has said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8........ changes are comings for the best . hang in there Linkz or it didn't happen. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.

Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3891	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:47:00 - [41] - Quote Shouldn't heavy weapons be better than light weapons anyway? I am your scan error.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1315	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:50:00 - [42] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Shouldn't heavy weapons be better than light weapons anyway? I believe so "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Long Evity 1473	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:52:00 - [43] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: saber has said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8........ changes are comings for the best . hang in there Linkz or it didn't happen. It didn't happen. At best, what Iron meant, would be that CCP looked it over - then realize taking away light weapons from heavies would mean the utter death of the class in anywhere but FW - camping the very few objectives that someone can't just walk up too and keep distance and force you to run around because getting close to him isn't happening when it takes 2 seconds to kill you. I would pretty much quit this ***** game if they changed it, as heavies would be complete worthless trash 90% of the map, and 75% of the game. I've been running around in Templar assault gear - using the Templar ScR - mowing down poor heavies who think sitting at an objective is smart. Nothing is smart when CCP is designing it - 3 nades?! Who the gives 3 nades that all pretty much OHK anything at all levels. Poor fatties, no one realizes how **** they are vs a smart player. Least a scout can run. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6493	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:54:00 - [44] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Summ Dude wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: saber has said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8........ changes are comings for the best . hang in there Linkz or it didn't happen. It didn't happen. At best, what Iron meant, would be that CCP looked it over - then realize taking away light weapons from heavies would mean the utter death of the class in anywhere but FW - camping the very few objectives that someone can't just walk up too and keep distance and force you to run around because getting close to him isn't happening when it takes 2 seconds to kill you. I would pretty much quit this ***** game if they changed it, as heavies would be complete worthless trash 90% of the map, and 75% of the game. I've been running around in Templar assault gear - using the Templar ScR - mowing down poor heavies who think sitting at an objective is smart. Nothing is smart when CCP is designing it - 3 nades?! Who the gives 3 nades that all pretty much OHK anything at all levels. Poor fatties, no one realizes how **** they are vs a smart player. Least a scout can run. Why woulnt you just cross skill into Commando? "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 169	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:56:00 - [45] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Shouldn't heavy weapons be better than light weapons anyway? Well, I've always thought of them as more lethal, but not necessarily exactly "better" overall. So they should have more killing potential when in their niche situation, but perhaps less versatility/flexibility than light weapons. So comparing the HMG to an AR: both are designed as close ranged weapons. In the HMG's optimal, the AR will be completely outclassed; it doesn't even come close to the HMG's dps. But the AR also has better range and accuracy, so it can operate at least somewhat successfully outside of it's main niche. I would be worried that if heavy weapons were all around better than light weapons, we'd end up seeing almost all heavies, and like no assaults anymore. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
Long Evity 1474	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:00:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Long Evity wrote: Summ Dude wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: saber has said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8........ changes are comings for the best . hang in there Linkz or it didn't happen. It didn't happen. At best, what Iron meant, would be that CCP looked it over - then realize taking away light weapons from heavies would mean the utter death of the class in anywhere but FW - camping the very few objectives that someone can't just walk up too and keep distance and force you to run around because getting close to him isn't happening when it takes 2 seconds to kill you. I would pretty much quit this ***** game if they changed it, as heavies would be complete worthless trash 90% of the map, and 75% of the game. I've been running around in Templar assault gear - using the Templar ScR - mowing down poor heavies who think sitting at an objective is smart. Nothing is smart when CCP is designing it - 3 nades?! Who the gives 3 nades that all pretty much OHK anything at all levels. Poor fatties, no one realizes how **** they are vs a smart player. Least a scout can run. Why woulnt you just cross skill into Commando? That PoS suit is a joke. I need something that can work in PC versus stiff competition - not a pub stomp suit. I happen to use ScR a lot in PC because of how often everyone jumps to roof first. If CCP takes away my ability to counter range attacks then wtf am I suppose to do? My teams better off with a more versatile soldier - as anyone can camp a point like a heavy with TTK as it is. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6494	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:02:00 - [47] - Quote Long Evity wrote: True Adamance wrote: Long Evity wrote: Summ Dude wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: saber has said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8........ changes are comings for the best . hang in there Linkz or it didn't happen. It didn't happen. At best, what Iron meant, would be that CCP looked it over - then realize taking away light weapons from heavies would mean the utter death of the class in anywhere but FW - camping the very few objectives that someone can't just walk up too and keep distance and force you to run around because getting close to him isn't happening when it takes 2 seconds to kill you. I would pretty much quit this ***** game if they changed it, as heavies would be complete worthless trash 90% of the map, and 75% of the game. I've been running around in Templar assault gear - using the Templar ScR - mowing down poor heavies who think sitting at an objective is smart. Nothing is smart when CCP is designing it - 3 nades?! Who the gives 3 nades that all pretty much OHK anything at all levels. Poor fatties, no one realizes how **** they are vs a smart player. Least a scout can run. Why woulnt you just cross skill into Commando? That PoS suit is a joke. I need something that can work in PC versus stiff competition - not a pub stomp suit. I happen to use ScR a lot in PC because of how often everyone jumps to roof first. If CCP takes away my ability to counter range attacks then wtf am I suppose to do? My teams better off with a more versatile soldier - as anyone can camp a point like a heavy with TTK as it is. Check the 1.8 Stats. They look plenty competitive to me. Well over 1000HP, Two lights, Equipment for spam, Faster Reload, and a total of 10% damage to racial weapon. All you lose are grenades......and please don't tell me all competitive play is just grenade spam... "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Long Evity 1474	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:05:00 - [48] - Quote Tbh - a suit without a nade is a suit without an arm in PC. Especially if your city squad. 1000 HP you say? Did they give it more slots? Because health wasn't the issue - it was lack of slots to do anything worthwhile with the suit to excel at anything. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 524	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:06:00 - [49] - Quote As a scout I prefer heavies with light weapons. Much easier to deal with at my range than a rotating death machine in their hands. Also breech shotgun is nice versus heavies backsides. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 170	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:09:00 - [50] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Tbh - a suit without a nade is a suit without an arm in PC. Especially if your city squad. 1000 HP you say? Did they give it more slots? Because health wasn't the issue - it was lack of slots to do anything worthwhile with the suit to excel at anything. Yea they got more slots, an actual reasonable amount now. And the bonuses are way better. Grenades are certainly nice, but I can understand why Commandos get the equipment slot instead. They're designed with a second-line suppression role in mind, having some piece of supportive equipment just makes more sense than a grenade that probably won't reach most of your targets anyway. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.

True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6494	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:10:00 - [51] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Tbh - a suit without a nade is a suit without an arm in PC. Especially if your city squad. 1000 HP you say? Did they give it more slots? Because health wasn't the issue - it was lack of slots to do anything worthwhile with the suit to excel at anything. Yup Aero projects a suit with 711 Armour on his Amarr + Shields which were 300ish last U checked, and could fit some ridiculous weaponry combinations. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
noobsniper the 2nd POISION ROSES 130	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:10:00 - [52] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Heavies can have whatever weapon they feel like. The heavy gains this perk in return for his equipment slot. He then sacrifices his slots and manoeuvrability for his high EHP. If your only concern is that people are bricktanking heavies for a little extra EHP then I suggest you need to work on your aim whilst moving. Because heavies are terrible shots. Besides its no different to a BrickTanked proto v Mlt Frontline, yet that is considered fair. Yeah terrible shots heh.. Sounds like u haven't run into me yet I will devour you >:) just call me scumbag noob MAG vet raven ftw
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 171	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:22:00 - [53] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Long Evity wrote: Tbh - a suit without a nade is a suit without an arm in PC. Especially if your city squad. 1000 HP you say? Did they give it more slots? Because health wasn't the issue - it was lack of slots to do anything worthwhile with the suit to excel at anything. Yup Aero projects a suit with 711 Armour on his Amarr + Shields which were 300ish last U checked, and could fit some ridiculous weaponry combinations. Oh yea, they got a CPU/PG buff too didn't they? And for some weird reason right now the Amarr Commando actually has the same HP as the Gallente and Caldari, which is a problem that needs to be corrected. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6495	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:29:00 - [54] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: True Adamance wrote: Long Evity wrote: Tbh - a suit without a nade is a suit without an arm in PC. Especially if your city squad. 1000 HP you say? Did they give it more slots? Because health wasn't the issue - it was lack of slots to do anything worthwhile with the suit to excel at anything. Yup Aero projects a suit with 711 Armour on his Amarr + Shields which were 300ish last U checked, and could fit some ridiculous weaponry combinations. Oh yea, they got a CPU/PG buff too didn't they? And for some weird reason right now the Amarr Commando actually has the same HP as the Gallente and Caldari, which is a problem that needs to be corrected. We do indeed need slightly more to counteract our lesser speeds.... but right now I think Aero is just happy the Amarr commando is becoming competitive. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2793	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:30:00 - [55] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. People have been murdering each other in real life since the beginning of time, why are people still making laws to outlaw murder in modern day governments? #murderisfine #logic Shield Recommendations
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 191	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:34:00 - [56] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? No. If they can have light weapins, I want hmg on my scout GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Long Evity 1476	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:46:00 - [57] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? No. If they can have light weapins, I want hmg on my scout good luck carrying it + all the ammo? I wouldn't mind letting you guys have an HMG - just give 50% reduced movement speed. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1316	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:52:00 - [58] - Quote noob cavman wrote: As a scout I prefer heavies with light weapons. Much easier to deal with at my range than a rotating death machine in their hands. Also breech shotgun is nice versus heavies backsides. I believe that you should get to know my CQC heavy fit, my shotty vs yours. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1316	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:53:00 - [59] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? No. If they can have light weapins, I want hmg on my scout I want to jump over waist high ledges, tough luck. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 526	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:54:00 - [60] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: noob cavman wrote: As a scout I prefer heavies with light weapons. Much easier to deal with at my range than a rotating death machine in their hands. Also breech shotgun is nice versus heavies backsides. I believe that you should get to know my CQC heavy fit, my shotty vs yours. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy

True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6500	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:55:00 - [61] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. People have been murdering each other in real life since the beginning of time, why are people still making laws to outlaw murder in modern day governments? #murderisfine #logic Cause we can. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 172	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:00:00 - [62] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. People have been murdering each other in real life since the beginning of time, why are people still making laws to outlaw murder in modern day governments? #murderisfine #logic Um, no, you actually missed the point. The point was that people are just now starting to complain about this, even though it's been around forever. People have been complaining about murder and writing laws against it since there have been civilizations. So your argument is (actually) invalid. #nicetry #illogic Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 526	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:04:00 - [63] - Quote Murder before scones and tea anyone? \o/ I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 172	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:07:00 - [64] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Murder before scones and tea anyone? \o/ I actually prefer muffins.... Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6500	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:11:00 - [65] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: noob cavman wrote: Murder before scones and tea anyone? \o/ I actually prefer muffins.... I take mine no sugar, but would love some marmalade for my accompanying scones (pronounced properly, not in the American fashion) "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
I HateMyFace Algintal Core Gallente Federation 70	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:13:00 - [66] - Quote Eh as a commando.....I win so **** u
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6500	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:17:00 - [67] - Quote I HateMyFace wrote: Eh as a commando.....I win so **** u Still a filthy Gallentean Commando is no commando at all "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2796	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:20:00 - [68] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. People have been murdering each other in real life since the beginning of time, why are people still making laws to outlaw murder in modern day governments? #murderisfine #logic Um, no, you actually missed the point. The point was that people are just now starting to complain about this, even though it's been around forever. People have been complaining about murder and writing laws against it since there have been civilizations. So your argument is (actually) invalid. #nicetry #illogic My post was sarcastic, but glad to see you took it so seriously. How about we look at some REAL logic? Heavy suits were combat inefficient prior to the buff they got in 1.6. Want to know when the first of these heavy+light weapon complaint threads started? Just a little bit after 1.6. They have gotten worse since the release of even more rifles in 1.7. Heavies with light weapons are nothing new, sure. But GOOD heavies plus light weapons is new. So to answer the question that Aero asked: "why are the QQers only just now coming out in force," it is because of a subsequent buff to heavy suits and introduction of new, ridiculously powerful rifles. THAT is why this is a problem. Shield Recommendations
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6502	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:21:00 - [69] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Summ Dude wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. People have been murdering each other in real life since the beginning of time, why are people still making laws to outlaw murder in modern day governments? #murderisfine #logic Um, no, you actually missed the point. The point was that people are just now starting to complain about this, even though it's been around forever. People have been complaining about murder and writing laws against it since there have been civilizations. So your argument is (actually) invalid. #nicetry #illogic My post was sarcastic, but glad to see you took it so seriously. How about we look at some REAL logic? Heavy suits were combat inefficient prior to the buff they got in 1.6. Want to know when the first of these heavy+light weapon complaint threads started? Just a little bit after 1.6. They have gotten worse since the release of even more rifles in 1.7. Heavies with light weapons are nothing new, sure. But GOOD heavies plus light weapons is new. So to answer the question that Aero asked: "why are the QQers only just now coming out in force," it is because of a subsequent buff to heavy suits and introduction of new, ridiculously powerful rifles. THAT is why this is a problem. Is that really an issue with the heavy suit then? "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 528	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:22:00 - [70] - Quote On a serious note a scout with one of these new toys is a scarier thing. Least heavies cant strafe too well I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy

noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 528	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:24:00 - [71] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Summ Dude wrote: noob cavman wrote: Murder before scones and tea anyone? \o/ I actually prefer muffins.... I take mine no sugar, but would love some marmalade for my accompanying scones (pronounced properly, not in the American fashion) You magnificent amarrian bastard a million likes for you and a slave that enjoys a good whipping I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1317	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:26:00 - [72] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I HateMyFace wrote: Eh as a commando.....I win so **** u Still a filthy Gallentean Commando is no commando at all Hey! "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6502	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:27:00 - [73] - Quote noob cavman wrote: True Adamance wrote: Summ Dude wrote: noob cavman wrote: Murder before scones and tea anyone? \o/ I actually prefer muffins.... I take mine no sugar, but would love some marmalade for my accompanying scones (pronounced properly, not in the American fashion) You magnificent amarrian bastard a million likes for you and a slave that enjoys a good whipping Don't whip your slaves before me. My duty is to protect the citizens of the Empire, and preserve the laws of the Empire. Mistreatment of slaves is a severe breach of Imperial law. But thank you. I do love marmalade on my scones...... if anything needs whipping its the cream I'm gonna put on that beautiful crispy, fluffy, golden surface. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6502	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:28:00 - [74] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: True Adamance wrote: I HateMyFace wrote: Eh as a commando.....I win so **** u Still a filthy Gallentean Commando is no commando at all Hey! I only speak the Word of the Faith. The word is truth. @#Gallentesuckdick @#Gallentetankssuckdick @#Amarrswag "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 172	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:31:00 - [75] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Summ Dude wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. People have been murdering each other in real life since the beginning of time, why are people still making laws to outlaw murder in modern day governments? #murderisfine #logic Um, no, you actually missed the point. The point was that people are just now starting to complain about this, even though it's been around forever. People have been complaining about murder and writing laws against it since there have been civilizations. So your argument is (actually) invalid. #nicetry #illogic My post was sarcastic, but glad to see you took it so seriously. How about we look at some REAL logic? Heavy suits were combat inefficient prior to the buff they got in 1.6. Want to know when the first of these heavy+light weapon complaint threads started? Just a little bit after 1.6. They have gotten worse since the release of even more rifles in 1.7. Heavies with light weapons are nothing new, sure. But GOOD heavies plus light weapons is new. So to answer the question that Aero asked: "why are the QQers only just now coming out in force," it is because of a subsequent buff to heavy suits and introduction of new, ridiculously powerful rifles. THAT is why this is a problem. Is that really an issue with the heavy suit then? Yea you've kinda lost me as well Logi Bro. I recall these threads becoming popular a little bit after the introduction of the RR. And from my experience, that vast majority of them cite this specific fitting as their main annoyance. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 529	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:31:00 - [76] - Quote I said a slave that enjoys a whipping not a slave to whip. best scones are made with milk on the very edge of turning bad. People say you can use lemon juice on fresh milk for the same effect ( said people are all in a large unmarked grave missing faces) they are so easy to make, if you can make a Victoria sponge you can make a decent scone. Edited slightly I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 9	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:33:00 - [77] - Quote It's fair that heavies can wear light weapons. They've got one hmg and one forge. Can be discussed after ccp will give them more heavy weapons. For now leave it as it is :)
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 213	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:36:00 - [78] - Quote Heavies using light weapons is a symptom, not a sickness. The sickness is the fact that there are only two heavy weapons in the game. The fact that people whine about this as if it's some kind of problem in and of itself shows that they have no idea what the hell is going on. The actual problem is that CCP hasn't gotten us racial heavy weaponry. With the pending release of racial Heavy suits in 1.8, the priority in 1.9 should be heavy weapons. You will see the symptom of heavies/sentinels using light weapons intensify as more heavy suit options are added to the game while the amount of heavy weapons remains at two. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2796	Posted - 2014.02.03 04:01:00 - [79] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Yea you've kinda lost me as well Logi Bro. I recall these threads becoming popular a little bit after the introduction of the RR. And from my experience, that vast majority of them cite this specific fitting as their main annoyance. What "specific fitting," are you referring to? RR+Sentinel? Because every QQ I've ever heard is just any variant of a rifle+heavy. And let me make it clear that when I say heavy, I meant sentinel, just because I'm too lazy to spell out sentinel every time. I have been seeing these threads since 1.6, it was just with Scramblers and Duvolles rather than RRs and CRs. Shield Recommendations
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3319	Posted - 2014.02.03 04:06:00 - [80] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Summ Dude wrote: Yea you've kinda lost me as well Logi Bro. I recall these threads becoming popular a little bit after the introduction of the RR. And from my experience, that vast majority of them cite this specific fitting as their main annoyance. What "specific fitting," are you referring to? RR+Sentinel? Because every QQ I've ever heard is just any variant of a rifle+heavy. And let me make it clear that when I say heavy, I meant sentinel, just because I'm too lazy to spell out sentinel every time. I have been seeing these threads since 1.6, it was just with Scramblers and Duvolles rather than RRs and CRs. Still more of a suit factor I think. Time-to-Kill gets really really short (AA, etc.), people will glom onto the suit which gives them that extra second or two. At any rate, weapon damage is being adjusted in 1.8, damage mods are being adjusted too, and even "possibly" proficiency damage bonuses. So, the heavy wields "what" question is pretty much DoA anyway. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.

Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1319	Posted - 2014.02.03 04:12:00 - [81] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: True Adamance wrote: I HateMyFace wrote: Eh as a commando.....I win so **** u Still a filthy Gallentean Commando is no commando at all Hey! I only speak the Word of the Faith. The word is truth. @#Gallentesuckdick @#Gallentetankssuckdick @#Amarrswag I thought we were friends man, brothers in tank, a bond stronger than our backgrounds. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4552	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:00:00 - [82] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? Can someone actually explain how this is a problem? Does anyone in any of these threads have a legitimate reason why a Heavy suit should magically be incapable of using a Light weapon? I suppose we shouldn't allow Sidearms to be put in Light slots either to stop all those stupidly OP double-SMG fits. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Long Evity 1493	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:04:00 - [83] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? Can someone actually explain how this is a problem? Does anyone in any of these threads have a legitimate reason why a Heavy suit should magically be incapable of using a Light weapon? I suppose we shouldn't allow Sidearms to be put in Light slots either to stop all those stupidly OP double-SMG fits. Because heavies fingers are fat!!!!! I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 94	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:08:00 - [84] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No, no they should not. It has been possible since always. What is wrong now? I can't put a damage mod in a low slot so why a light weapon in the heavy slot? Why not make it a "W" slot since any weapon can fit into it, not to mention it would make the commando more appealing. You can fit a sidearm in a light slot. You cannot carry something that's too heavy for you but you can carry something lighter than the heaviest thing you can lift.
fawkuima juggalo Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 905	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:30:00 - [85] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? yes, as that make absolutly NO SENSE whatsoever..... "i am strong enough to carry big gun but i am too dumb to carry small one......" i see where you are coming from, but just because something is hard DOES NOT make it OP. - LOGI REGISTRY, *LIBRARY, AND H.O.F. -
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1081	Posted - 2014.02.03 12:34:00 - [86] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? Can someone actually explain how this is a problem? Does anyone in any of these threads have a legitimate reason why a Heavy suit should magically be incapable of using a Light weapon? I suppose we shouldn't allow Sidearms to be put in Light slots either to stop all those stupidly OP double-SMG fits. Its not about logic its about balance. If you bring logic into video games then nothing is balanced. Why can't I throw my 3 grenades at once? why can't I duct tape a nanohive to my back for permanent triage and permanent ammo resupply? Why can't I pick up my nano hive after I've finished resupplying? Why don't nanohive resupply other nanohives? Why are heavies incapable of using equipment. Because balance is more important in video games then logic. If you want to use a heavy suit and a light weapon skill into the commandos, next build they are gonna be beasts. I agree with you about sidearms as well. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 95	Posted - 2014.02.03 14:14:00 - [87] - Quote It says on the website heavies can't use equipment because all the would be space is used for layers of defense. Not to mention heavies with light weapons are easy to kill, in cqc HMG wins easily or if your a medium suit strafe, something heavies do poorly. In long range engagements they can't quickly heal themselves through shield regen or use nanohives for armor regen. Not to mention they easily get stuck on terrain and are easy to scan allowing for easy flanking. With TTK of a combat rifle you can drop a pro heavy in 2 sec flat with std level gun. Not to mention if it truly was better you'd see everyone running heavy suits with light weapons in PC, which is a rarity.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 532	Posted - 2014.02.03 14:19:00 - [88] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: It says on the website heavies can't use equipment because all the would be space is used for layers of defense. Not to mention heavies with light weapons are easy to kill, in cqc HMG wins easily or if your a medium suit strafe, something heavies do poorly. In long range engagements they can't quickly heal themselves through shield regen or use nanohives for armor regen. Not to mention they easily get stuck on terrain and are easy to scan allowing for easy flanking. With TTK of a combat rifle you can drop a pro heavy in 2 sec flat with std level gun. Not to mention if it truly was better you'd see everyone running heavy suits with light weapons in PC, which is a rarity. The only time a heavy grabs a light in pc is to pick people off roofs or open terrain usually I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1572	Posted - 2014.02.03 14:24:00 - [89] - Quote Any suit should be able to use any module it has a slot for and any weapon that will fit into the weapon slot. There is nothing wrong with a heavy using a light weapon. I ran with a guy for a while who only used a scrambler pistol on his heavy suit. Variety is the spice of life and we should be telling others how to fit their suit or play the game. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1041	Posted - 2014.02.03 14:27:00 - [90] - Quote I highly dislike them...It's cheap and when you do that to them, due to their eHP surviving your punishment, you feel like you've been cheated. But it makes sense logistically...They're slow AF, can't stack damage mods, and can't strafe well. When you see the majority of a team using this tactic to win the battle, you could understand why it gets super frustrating. This is where Mass Drivers would be effective for counter-balance but lol they're not even worth it right now. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1710	Posted - 2014.02.03 14:29:00 - [91] - Quote True Adamance wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Heavies with light weapons is such a crutch. calling the 2nd most UP suit a crutch......yup.... heavies aren't really UP anymore. heavies on their own would be bad enough but the logi chain has become quite popular as well. as it stands in pubs most winning teams have upwards of 8+ heavies now. I won't go into pc's because let's face it pc is dead nobody plays it anymore, since the "PC PLAYERS" lock all their districts. what's frightening is that heavies are getting a massive buff in 1.8, so what's turning out to quickly be the most used class is getting a buff while the strong light weapons can expect a nerf and tanks to get toned down, you can expect 1.8 to be heavy 514
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 637	Posted - 2014.02.03 14:50:00 - [92] - Quote Limiting what can be fit is a horrible idea. The only limits should be PG and CPU. Saying heavies weapon slot should not be able to fit a light weapon is like saying a slight weapon slot should not be able to fit a sidearm. I hope CCP never caters to ideas like this.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1081	Posted - 2014.02.03 14:51:00 - [93] - Quote calisk galern wrote: True Adamance wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Heavies with light weapons is such a crutch. calling the 2nd most UP suit a crutch......yup.... heavies aren't really UP anymore. heavies on their own would be bad enough but the logi chain has become quite popular as well. as it stands in pubs most winning teams have upwards of 8+ heavies now. I won't go into pc's because let's face it pc is dead nobody plays it anymore, since the "PC PLAYERS" lock all their districts. what's frightening is that heavies are getting a massive buff in 1.8, so what's turning out to quickly be the most used class is getting a buff while the strong light weapons can expect a nerf and tanks to get toned down, you can expect 1.8 to be heavy 514 Heavy with 1500+ EHP with 25% resistance to blast damage, passive shield and armor resistances wielding a proto RR doing 600 DPS at 80+m, and their gonna say I'm a heavy it should take 3 people coordinating to take me down. At least if they were required to use heavy weapons they would be would be inferior at range, not to mention that the FG still a great weapon, AV and in the hands of a good player it can be used effectively vs infantry. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 307	Posted - 2014.02.03 15:09:00 - [94] - Quote ITT: Tears because newbros have found a way to level the playing field with brick tanked proto logis with RR's and armor repping hives. Oh the huge manatee.
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 96	Posted - 2014.02.03 15:10:00 - [95] - Quote Lol 3 people I do it with a scout shotgunner all the time solo, not to mention in long range 1vs 1 is ok for a heavy but its really no different than a pro medium suit 1150hp and triple damage mods (1.8 assualt gallenete) if your a decent strafer you shouldnt have to much problem at range. the only time a heavy will take 3 enemies of the same level that rush him is if they are bad players or he has a logi even then it only mitigates 175 HP a sec where guns like the combat and scrambler do around and above 1000dps respectively. Heavies are slow, predictable and are easy to manipulate i honestly prefer facing heavies with light weapons way easier to kill and if at range really susceptible to sniper fire.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 438	Posted - 2014.02.03 15:21:00 - [96] - Quote I admit it is a little cheap and an auto win 1v1 straight up. But heavies will always be scanned can't scan back, are super easy to shoot, can't run dodge or flank or retreat, thier delay for regen is huge and they are super easy to nade. Carry flux and suddenly it's a even hp fight. Honestly the qq is from RR with no skill aside from decent aim annoyed they can't just stand there and mow anyone down who gets in 100m of their 900 ehp suit. Play scout for a day to learn how to fight using the entire game and not just dps/ehp and you will realize its not unbalanced. Yes they wil beat you if you both stand 80m away and fire at each other. Good thing things have advanced past civil war tactics.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1082	Posted - 2014.02.03 15:21:00 - [97] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Lol 3 people I do it with a scout shotgunner all the time solo, not to mention in long range 1vs 1 is ok for a heavy but its really no different than a pro medium suit 1150hp and triple damage mods (1.8 assualt gallenete) if your a decent strafer you shouldnt have to much problem at range. the only time a heavy will take 3 enemies of the same level that rush him is if they are bad players or he has a logi even then it only mitigates 175 HP a sec where guns like the combat and scrambler do around and above 1000dps respectively. Heavies are slow, predictable and are easy to manipulate i honestly prefer facing heavies with light weapons way easier to kill and if at range really susceptible to sniper fire. You're talking about heavies now, I'm talking about 1.8 heavies also I'm not talking about heavies in CQC i'm talking about heavy suits that will likely be over 2000EHP with their resistances capable of doing 600+ DPS at over 80 m. I laugh at heavies this build, I'm looking at next build and next build logis will be be scarce because all the people who skilled into logi slayers will be going back to scouts and assaults STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 192	Posted - 2014.02.03 15:24:00 - [98] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Takron Nistrom wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? No. If they can have light weapins, I want hmg on my scout good luck carrying it + all the ammo? I wouldn't mind letting you guys have an HMG - just give 50% reduced movement speed. Thats fine by me. Cloak works best on scout but all can use. Hmg and forge works best on heavy but all can use. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1082	Posted - 2014.02.03 15:25:00 - [99] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: I admit it is a little cheap and an auto win 1v1 straight up. But heavies will always be scanned can't scan back, are super easy to shoot, can't run dodge or flank or retreat, thier delay for regen is huge and they are super easy to nade. Carry flux and suddenly it's a even hp fight. Honestly the qq is from RR with no skill aside from decent aim annoyed they can't just stand there and mow anyone down who gets in 100m of their 900 ehp suit. Play scout for a day to learn how to fight using the entire game and not just dps/ehp and you will realize its not unbalanced. Yes they wil beat you if you both stand 80m away and fire at each other. Good thing things have advanced past civil war tactics. I play solo skirms and run my dragonfly scout and put up 20+ kills a match. You guys are using what you know of heavies now which is a joke, one flux and my Boundless CR and wrecks full proto HMG heavies in QCQ in PC. Look at the stats for 1.8 heavies thats what I'm concerned about. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 97	Posted - 2014.02.03 16:24:00 - [100] - Quote Lol actually main is heavy 20 million sp most of it into heavy role.

Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1042	Posted - 2014.02.03 18:19:00 - [101] - Quote ._. We need Mass Drivers back. It's fricking ridiculous when a squad of heavies use rifles as if they're assaults and outgun game us through sheer eHP. It takes a whole clip just to kill one of them who can shoot you accurately from a distance, now imagine two of them on your ass like butter on toast. We need mass drivers, Laser Rifles, and other suppression based weapons to make a comeback. Mass Drivers suck, and as an armor tanker, I don't even flinch at the sound anymore. Laser RIfles are used for nothing else than light shows...and that's a boring ass light show with one color. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2014.02.03 18:32:00 - [102] - Quote Anyone who thinks that heavies with light weapons are an issue is brain damaged. The only issue is heavies abusing the lack of exist animation on LAVs. Other than that, a heavy is a strongly gimped suit in regards to mobility and scan profile and thus easily flanked even by sole players. Everyone can see heavies through walls.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5619	Posted - 2014.02.03 18:38:00 - [103] - Quote I fit my Maller with small lasers. Problem? Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
Jack Boost Zarena Family 307	Posted - 2014.02.03 19:24:00 - [104] - Quote So... nice vission - Scouts - only sidearms (no! shotguns - too powerfull with cloak and dampening) - Medsuits - only light weapon. Logi without any weapon - only support. - Heavy - only heavy weapon with no eq and standing still. You know.. you still will die. (probably not much less ;) This is creative game, in full complex EVE universe. Go and find you way here. Scrub Jack Boost (3 place in close beta ranking) -> heavy + light weapon from beginning. P.S.Man I want heavy with knife .. but CCP dont give me WP from this.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 665	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:41:00 - [105] - Quote True Adamance wrote: noob cavman wrote: True Adamance wrote: Summ Dude wrote: noob cavman wrote: Murder before scones and tea anyone? \o/ I actually prefer muffins.... I take mine no sugar, but would love some marmalade for my accompanying scones (pronounced properly, not in the American fashion) You magnificent amarrian bastard a million likes for you and a slave that enjoys a good whipping Don't whip your slaves before me. My duty is to protect the citizens of the Empire, and preserve the laws of the Empire. Mistreatment of slaves is a severe breach of Imperial law. But thank you. I do love marmalade on my scones...... if anything needs whipping its the cream I'm gonna put on that beautiful crispy, fluffy, golden surface. Whipped cream is only good if the cow the cream comes from is whipped with whips. We all should know that. I'll sell you a masochistic cow for 10 million Isk, whaddya say? Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1042	Posted - 2014.02.04 03:00:00 - [106] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Anyone who thinks that heavies with light weapons are an issue is brain damaged. The only issue is heavies abusing the lack of exist animation on LAVs. Other than that, a heavy is a strongly gimped suit in regards to mobility and scan profile and thus easily flanked even by sole players. Everyone can see heavies through walls. ._. Having 2-6 heavies running in a formation with this tactic can't be easily subdued by just scanning and flanking. They have the endurance to last long enough for their allies, who are too slow to be too far away from them, to turn around and give them supporting fire. Don't try to downsize the bs going down here. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6570	Posted - 2014.02.04 03:14:00 - [107] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Sole Fenychs wrote: Anyone who thinks that heavies with light weapons are an issue is brain damaged. The only issue is heavies abusing the lack of exist animation on LAVs. Other than that, a heavy is a strongly gimped suit in regards to mobility and scan profile and thus easily flanked even by sole players. Everyone can see heavies through walls. ._. Having 2-6 heavies running in a formation with this tactic can't be easily subdued by just scanning and flanking. They have the endurance to last long enough for their allies, who are too slow to be too far away from them, to turn around and give them supporting fire. Don't try to downsize the bs going down here. Not against Commando's though, we scan back..... "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 10	Posted - 2014.02.04 06:19:00 - [108] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. As a true heavy, I'm not a fan of the current RR heavy craze. That being said, people are QQing for the same reason they always QQ. A non assault/logistic suit is killing them. To be completely honest, I probably QQ about every death. Only when I get killed by things I know are difficult to use do I not QQ, instead I congratulate them. People running laser rifles, for instance, or plasma cannons... Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 429	Posted - 2014.02.04 08:33:00 - [109] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. Amarr militia frames with Kalakiotas going 17/2 in matches, that's why "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 602	Posted - 2014.02.04 09:00:00 - [110] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: ._. We need Mass Drivers back. It's fricking ridiculous when a squad of heavies use rifles as if they're assaults and outgun game us through sheer eHP. It takes a whole clip just to kill one of them who can shoot you accurately from a distance, now imagine two of them on your ass like butter on toast. We need mass drivers, Laser Rifles, and other suppression based weapons to make a comeback. Mass Drivers suck, and as an armor tanker, I don't even flinch at the sound anymore. Laser RIfles are used for nothing else than light shows...and that's a boring ass light show with one color. ^ What he said. I want to see a higher direct damage buff and the flinching when hit needs to come back. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole

Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2014.02.04 09:43:00 - [111] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Sole Fenychs wrote: Anyone who thinks that heavies with light weapons are an issue is brain damaged. The only issue is heavies abusing the lack of exist animation on LAVs. Other than that, a heavy is a strongly gimped suit in regards to mobility and scan profile and thus easily flanked even by sole players. Everyone can see heavies through walls. ._. Having 2-6 heavies running in a formation with this tactic can't be easily subdued by just scanning and flanking. They have the endurance to last long enough for their allies, who are too slow to be too far away from them, to turn around and give them supporting fire. Don't try to downsize the bs going down here. If I saw six heavies running in formation, I'd get myself REs or maybe attempt to use my PLC. Those guys are sitting ducks. They move like turtles. And they will be incapable of scanning even a medium suit, because they only have passive scan. If they are in open terrain, you can just roadkill them. If they are in a closed environment, you can easily throw an RE from above or something. Even a kamikaze attack is worth it at that point. And if there's six heavies with a bunch of allies nearby, I wonder why you aren't just taking all the other objectives or cloning all their lone wolf mates.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 4693	Posted - 2014.02.04 10:25:00 - [112] - Quote Moved to Feedback/Requests CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics

Mad Syringe Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 66	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:10:00 - [113] - Quote It's not the heavies using light weapons, it's the OP'nes of the light weapons compared to the HMG at range. The HMG needs a buff to range. It shouldn't be as devestating as in cqc at range, but it needs more than this ticling that's happening now... Make those rounds spread, but not loose their impact. Ergo it hits at range so that it at least makes people move when they get hit by it.
Dandeth Adloth ReDust Inc. 15	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:26:00 - [114] - Quote +1 The HMG needs an area denial at range buff. Devestating at close range, and area denial at medium to long range... This would make the HMG more versatile and reduce the incentive to go light weapon. BTW, the RR needs a serious damage nerf. I have it skilled to prof 2 and it's devastating. If all other rifles need a 10% nerf, the RR needs a 15% nerf! This would make the MD and lazor viable again too.
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 702	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:47:00 - [115] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? Your not the only one that thinks this but then again the heavy weapon count is so low that sentinels don't really have many options. Considering the number of pages I suspect this was already said at some point. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!


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