DUST Search - Shouldn't commandos be the only heavies who can use light weapon...

Long Evity wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Long Evity wrote:

Summ Dude wrote:

VALCORE72 wrote:

saber has said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8........ changes are comings for the best . hang in there

Linkz or it didn't happen.

It didn't happen. At best, what Iron meant, would be that CCP looked it over - then realize taking away light weapons from heavies would mean the utter death of the class in anywhere but FW - camping the very few objectives that someone can't just walk up too and keep distance and force you to run around because getting close to him isn't happening when it takes 2 seconds to kill you.

I would pretty much quit this ******* game if they changed it, as heavies would be complete worthless trash 90% of the map, and 75% of the game. I've been running around in Templar assault gear - using the Templar ScR - mowing down poor heavies who think sitting at an objective is smart. Nothing is smart when CCP is designing it - 3 nades?! Who the **** gives 3 nades that all pretty much OHK anything at all levels. Poor fatties, no one realizes how ****** they are vs a smart player. Least a scout can run.

Why woulnt you just cross skill into Commando?

That PoS suit is a joke. I need something that can work in PC versus stiff competition - not a pub stomp suit. I happen to use ScR a lot in PC because of how often everyone jumps to roof first. If CCP takes away my ability to counter range attacks then wtf am I suppose to do? My teams better off with a more versatile soldier - as anyone can camp a point like a heavy with TTK as it is.

"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

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Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2144	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:50:00 - [31] - Quote Long's post summed it up the best... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 167	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:51:00 - [32] - Quote WUT ANG wrote: Commandos should be medium frame.........Assault - Logi - Commando Um, why? Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
Tectonic Fusion 1019	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:06:00 - [33] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: WUT ANG wrote: Commandos should be medium frame.........Assault - Logi - Commando Um, why? Because he's a derp. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 510	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:09:00 - [34] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. My guess is the RR lets them reach out and touch father then when they had to chase you down with just an AR. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Mortedeamor 1326	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:21:00 - [35] - Quote ME +1 +1 for IWS to stay as cpm more-tae-dee-um-more stop asking how to pronounce my name its quite irritating
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 168	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:22:00 - [36] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Summ Dude wrote: WUT ANG wrote: Commandos should be medium frame.........Assault - Logi - Commando Um, why? Because he's a derp. Aww well that's just mean. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10535	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:30:00 - [37] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Heavies with light weapons is such a crutch. Only against bad medium frames who don't know how to strafe, especially considering you can have near comparable HP on a medium frame while maintaining much better mobility plus one or more equipment. You can't give heavies only a CQC weapon (which still makes no sense to me, how a heavy machine gun has terrible range, but...w/e) and expect every heavy to be ok with that. Sometimes you want to shoot back, and since we don't have a full array of options for heavy weapons, the only logical step is to pick up light weapons for the added range and utility. And lastly, if you can pick up 200 lbs, does it not stand to reason that you can pick up 100 lbs? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 26	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:37:00 - [38] - Quote saber has said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8........ changes are comings for the best . hang in there
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 647	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:40:00 - [39] - Quote If light weapons weren't more versatile than a heavy weapon, we wouldn't see heavy-rr being a thing. Why use a Cr when the HMG is better? Is what we should be saying. When a RR has the highest DPC of any other gun, and fits easier than a same tier HMG, why te F wouldn't you fit it? Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 168	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:46:00 - [40] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: saber has said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8........ changes are comings for the best . hang in there Linkz or it didn't happen. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.

Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3891	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:47:00 - [41] - Quote Shouldn't heavy weapons be better than light weapons anyway? I am your scan error.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1315	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:50:00 - [42] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Shouldn't heavy weapons be better than light weapons anyway? I believe so "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Long Evity 1473	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:52:00 - [43] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: saber has said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8........ changes are comings for the best . hang in there Linkz or it didn't happen. It didn't happen. At best, what Iron meant, would be that CCP looked it over - then realize taking away light weapons from heavies would mean the utter death of the class in anywhere but FW - camping the very few objectives that someone can't just walk up too and keep distance and force you to run around because getting close to him isn't happening when it takes 2 seconds to kill you. I would pretty much quit this ***** game if they changed it, as heavies would be complete worthless trash 90% of the map, and 75% of the game. I've been running around in Templar assault gear - using the Templar ScR - mowing down poor heavies who think sitting at an objective is smart. Nothing is smart when CCP is designing it - 3 nades?! Who the gives 3 nades that all pretty much OHK anything at all levels. Poor fatties, no one realizes how **** they are vs a smart player. Least a scout can run. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6493	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:54:00 - [44] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Summ Dude wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: saber has said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8........ changes are comings for the best . hang in there Linkz or it didn't happen. It didn't happen. At best, what Iron meant, would be that CCP looked it over - then realize taking away light weapons from heavies would mean the utter death of the class in anywhere but FW - camping the very few objectives that someone can't just walk up too and keep distance and force you to run around because getting close to him isn't happening when it takes 2 seconds to kill you. I would pretty much quit this ***** game if they changed it, as heavies would be complete worthless trash 90% of the map, and 75% of the game. I've been running around in Templar assault gear - using the Templar ScR - mowing down poor heavies who think sitting at an objective is smart. Nothing is smart when CCP is designing it - 3 nades?! Who the gives 3 nades that all pretty much OHK anything at all levels. Poor fatties, no one realizes how **** they are vs a smart player. Least a scout can run. Why woulnt you just cross skill into Commando? "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 169	Posted - 2014.02.03 01:56:00 - [45] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Shouldn't heavy weapons be better than light weapons anyway? Well, I've always thought of them as more lethal, but not necessarily exactly "better" overall. So they should have more killing potential when in their niche situation, but perhaps less versatility/flexibility than light weapons. So comparing the HMG to an AR: both are designed as close ranged weapons. In the HMG's optimal, the AR will be completely outclassed; it doesn't even come close to the HMG's dps. But the AR also has better range and accuracy, so it can operate at least somewhat successfully outside of it's main niche. I would be worried that if heavy weapons were all around better than light weapons, we'd end up seeing almost all heavies, and like no assaults anymore. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
Long Evity 1474	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:00:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Long Evity wrote: Summ Dude wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: saber has said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8........ changes are comings for the best . hang in there Linkz or it didn't happen. It didn't happen. At best, what Iron meant, would be that CCP looked it over - then realize taking away light weapons from heavies would mean the utter death of the class in anywhere but FW - camping the very few objectives that someone can't just walk up too and keep distance and force you to run around because getting close to him isn't happening when it takes 2 seconds to kill you. I would pretty much quit this ***** game if they changed it, as heavies would be complete worthless trash 90% of the map, and 75% of the game. I've been running around in Templar assault gear - using the Templar ScR - mowing down poor heavies who think sitting at an objective is smart. Nothing is smart when CCP is designing it - 3 nades?! Who the gives 3 nades that all pretty much OHK anything at all levels. Poor fatties, no one realizes how **** they are vs a smart player. Least a scout can run. Why woulnt you just cross skill into Commando? That PoS suit is a joke. I need something that can work in PC versus stiff competition - not a pub stomp suit. I happen to use ScR a lot in PC because of how often everyone jumps to roof first. If CCP takes away my ability to counter range attacks then wtf am I suppose to do? My teams better off with a more versatile soldier - as anyone can camp a point like a heavy with TTK as it is. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6494	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:02:00 - [47] - Quote Long Evity wrote: True Adamance wrote: Long Evity wrote: Summ Dude wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: saber has said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8........ changes are comings for the best . hang in there Linkz or it didn't happen. It didn't happen. At best, what Iron meant, would be that CCP looked it over - then realize taking away light weapons from heavies would mean the utter death of the class in anywhere but FW - camping the very few objectives that someone can't just walk up too and keep distance and force you to run around because getting close to him isn't happening when it takes 2 seconds to kill you. I would pretty much quit this ***** game if they changed it, as heavies would be complete worthless trash 90% of the map, and 75% of the game. I've been running around in Templar assault gear - using the Templar ScR - mowing down poor heavies who think sitting at an objective is smart. Nothing is smart when CCP is designing it - 3 nades?! Who the gives 3 nades that all pretty much OHK anything at all levels. Poor fatties, no one realizes how **** they are vs a smart player. Least a scout can run. Why woulnt you just cross skill into Commando? That PoS suit is a joke. I need something that can work in PC versus stiff competition - not a pub stomp suit. I happen to use ScR a lot in PC because of how often everyone jumps to roof first. If CCP takes away my ability to counter range attacks then wtf am I suppose to do? My teams better off with a more versatile soldier - as anyone can camp a point like a heavy with TTK as it is. Check the 1.8 Stats. They look plenty competitive to me. Well over 1000HP, Two lights, Equipment for spam, Faster Reload, and a total of 10% damage to racial weapon. All you lose are grenades......and please don't tell me all competitive play is just grenade spam... "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Long Evity 1474	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:05:00 - [48] - Quote Tbh - a suit without a nade is a suit without an arm in PC. Especially if your city squad. 1000 HP you say? Did they give it more slots? Because health wasn't the issue - it was lack of slots to do anything worthwhile with the suit to excel at anything. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 524	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:06:00 - [49] - Quote As a scout I prefer heavies with light weapons. Much easier to deal with at my range than a rotating death machine in their hands. Also breech shotgun is nice versus heavies backsides. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 170	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:09:00 - [50] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Tbh - a suit without a nade is a suit without an arm in PC. Especially if your city squad. 1000 HP you say? Did they give it more slots? Because health wasn't the issue - it was lack of slots to do anything worthwhile with the suit to excel at anything. Yea they got more slots, an actual reasonable amount now. And the bonuses are way better. Grenades are certainly nice, but I can understand why Commandos get the equipment slot instead. They're designed with a second-line suppression role in mind, having some piece of supportive equipment just makes more sense than a grenade that probably won't reach most of your targets anyway. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.

True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6494	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:10:00 - [51] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Tbh - a suit without a nade is a suit without an arm in PC. Especially if your city squad. 1000 HP you say? Did they give it more slots? Because health wasn't the issue - it was lack of slots to do anything worthwhile with the suit to excel at anything. Yup Aero projects a suit with 711 Armour on his Amarr + Shields which were 300ish last U checked, and could fit some ridiculous weaponry combinations. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
noobsniper the 2nd POISION ROSES 130	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:10:00 - [52] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Heavies can have whatever weapon they feel like. The heavy gains this perk in return for his equipment slot. He then sacrifices his slots and manoeuvrability for his high EHP. If your only concern is that people are bricktanking heavies for a little extra EHP then I suggest you need to work on your aim whilst moving. Because heavies are terrible shots. Besides its no different to a BrickTanked proto v Mlt Frontline, yet that is considered fair. Yeah terrible shots heh.. Sounds like u haven't run into me yet I will devour you >:) just call me scumbag noob MAG vet raven ftw
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 171	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:22:00 - [53] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Long Evity wrote: Tbh - a suit without a nade is a suit without an arm in PC. Especially if your city squad. 1000 HP you say? Did they give it more slots? Because health wasn't the issue - it was lack of slots to do anything worthwhile with the suit to excel at anything. Yup Aero projects a suit with 711 Armour on his Amarr + Shields which were 300ish last U checked, and could fit some ridiculous weaponry combinations. Oh yea, they got a CPU/PG buff too didn't they? And for some weird reason right now the Amarr Commando actually has the same HP as the Gallente and Caldari, which is a problem that needs to be corrected. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6495	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:29:00 - [54] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: True Adamance wrote: Long Evity wrote: Tbh - a suit without a nade is a suit without an arm in PC. Especially if your city squad. 1000 HP you say? Did they give it more slots? Because health wasn't the issue - it was lack of slots to do anything worthwhile with the suit to excel at anything. Yup Aero projects a suit with 711 Armour on his Amarr + Shields which were 300ish last U checked, and could fit some ridiculous weaponry combinations. Oh yea, they got a CPU/PG buff too didn't they? And for some weird reason right now the Amarr Commando actually has the same HP as the Gallente and Caldari, which is a problem that needs to be corrected. We do indeed need slightly more to counteract our lesser speeds.... but right now I think Aero is just happy the Amarr commando is becoming competitive. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2793	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:30:00 - [55] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. People have been murdering each other in real life since the beginning of time, why are people still making laws to outlaw murder in modern day governments? #murderisfine #logic Shield Recommendations
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 191	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:34:00 - [56] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? No. If they can have light weapins, I want hmg on my scout GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Long Evity 1476	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:46:00 - [57] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? No. If they can have light weapins, I want hmg on my scout good luck carrying it + all the ammo? I wouldn't mind letting you guys have an HMG - just give 50% reduced movement speed. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1316	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:52:00 - [58] - Quote noob cavman wrote: As a scout I prefer heavies with light weapons. Much easier to deal with at my range than a rotating death machine in their hands. Also breech shotgun is nice versus heavies backsides. I believe that you should get to know my CQC heavy fit, my shotty vs yours. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1316	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:53:00 - [59] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? No. If they can have light weapins, I want hmg on my scout I want to jump over waist high ledges, tough luck. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 526	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:54:00 - [60] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: noob cavman wrote: As a scout I prefer heavies with light weapons. Much easier to deal with at my range than a rotating death machine in their hands. Also breech shotgun is nice versus heavies backsides. I believe that you should get to know my CQC heavy fit, my shotty vs yours. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy



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