DUST Search - Shouldn't commandos be the only heavies who can use light weapon...

True Adamance wrote:

Logi Bro wrote:

Summ Dude wrote:

Logi Bro wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force?

It's fine.

People have been murdering each other in real life since the beginning of time, why are people still making laws to outlaw murder in modern day governments?

#murderisfine #logic

Um, no, you actually missed the point. The point was that people are just now starting to complain about this, even though it's been around forever. People have been complaining about murder and writing laws against it since there have been civilizations. So your argument is (actually) invalid.

#nicetry #illogic

My post was sarcastic, but glad to see you took it so seriously. How about we look at some REAL logic?

Heavy suits were combat inefficient prior to the buff they got in 1.6. Want to know when the first of these heavy+light weapon complaint threads started? Just a little bit after 1.6. They have gotten worse since the release of even more rifles in 1.7. Heavies with light weapons are nothing new, sure. But GOOD heavies plus light weapons is new.

So to answer the question that Aero asked: "why are the QQers only just now coming out in force," it is because of a subsequent buff to heavy suits and introduction of new, ridiculously powerful rifles. THAT is why this is a problem.

Is that really an issue with the heavy suit then?

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True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6500	Posted - 2014.02.03 02:55:00 - [61] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. People have been murdering each other in real life since the beginning of time, why are people still making laws to outlaw murder in modern day governments? #murderisfine #logic Cause we can. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 172	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:00:00 - [62] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. People have been murdering each other in real life since the beginning of time, why are people still making laws to outlaw murder in modern day governments? #murderisfine #logic Um, no, you actually missed the point. The point was that people are just now starting to complain about this, even though it's been around forever. People have been complaining about murder and writing laws against it since there have been civilizations. So your argument is (actually) invalid. #nicetry #illogic Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 526	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:04:00 - [63] - Quote Murder before scones and tea anyone? \o/ I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 172	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:07:00 - [64] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Murder before scones and tea anyone? \o/ I actually prefer muffins.... Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6500	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:11:00 - [65] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: noob cavman wrote: Murder before scones and tea anyone? \o/ I actually prefer muffins.... I take mine no sugar, but would love some marmalade for my accompanying scones (pronounced properly, not in the American fashion) "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
I HateMyFace Algintal Core Gallente Federation 70	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:13:00 - [66] - Quote Eh as a commando.....I win so **** u
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6500	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:17:00 - [67] - Quote I HateMyFace wrote: Eh as a commando.....I win so **** u Still a filthy Gallentean Commando is no commando at all "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2796	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:20:00 - [68] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. People have been murdering each other in real life since the beginning of time, why are people still making laws to outlaw murder in modern day governments? #murderisfine #logic Um, no, you actually missed the point. The point was that people are just now starting to complain about this, even though it's been around forever. People have been complaining about murder and writing laws against it since there have been civilizations. So your argument is (actually) invalid. #nicetry #illogic My post was sarcastic, but glad to see you took it so seriously. How about we look at some REAL logic? Heavy suits were combat inefficient prior to the buff they got in 1.6. Want to know when the first of these heavy+light weapon complaint threads started? Just a little bit after 1.6. They have gotten worse since the release of even more rifles in 1.7. Heavies with light weapons are nothing new, sure. But GOOD heavies plus light weapons is new. So to answer the question that Aero asked: "why are the QQers only just now coming out in force," it is because of a subsequent buff to heavy suits and introduction of new, ridiculously powerful rifles. THAT is why this is a problem. Shield Recommendations
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6502	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:21:00 - [69] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Summ Dude wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. People have been murdering each other in real life since the beginning of time, why are people still making laws to outlaw murder in modern day governments? #murderisfine #logic Um, no, you actually missed the point. The point was that people are just now starting to complain about this, even though it's been around forever. People have been complaining about murder and writing laws against it since there have been civilizations. So your argument is (actually) invalid. #nicetry #illogic My post was sarcastic, but glad to see you took it so seriously. How about we look at some REAL logic? Heavy suits were combat inefficient prior to the buff they got in 1.6. Want to know when the first of these heavy+light weapon complaint threads started? Just a little bit after 1.6. They have gotten worse since the release of even more rifles in 1.7. Heavies with light weapons are nothing new, sure. But GOOD heavies plus light weapons is new. So to answer the question that Aero asked: "why are the QQers only just now coming out in force," it is because of a subsequent buff to heavy suits and introduction of new, ridiculously powerful rifles. THAT is why this is a problem. Is that really an issue with the heavy suit then? "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 528	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:22:00 - [70] - Quote On a serious note a scout with one of these new toys is a scarier thing. Least heavies cant strafe too well I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy

noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 528	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:24:00 - [71] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Summ Dude wrote: noob cavman wrote: Murder before scones and tea anyone? \o/ I actually prefer muffins.... I take mine no sugar, but would love some marmalade for my accompanying scones (pronounced properly, not in the American fashion) You magnificent amarrian bastard a million likes for you and a slave that enjoys a good whipping I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1317	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:26:00 - [72] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I HateMyFace wrote: Eh as a commando.....I win so **** u Still a filthy Gallentean Commando is no commando at all Hey! "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6502	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:27:00 - [73] - Quote noob cavman wrote: True Adamance wrote: Summ Dude wrote: noob cavman wrote: Murder before scones and tea anyone? \o/ I actually prefer muffins.... I take mine no sugar, but would love some marmalade for my accompanying scones (pronounced properly, not in the American fashion) You magnificent amarrian bastard a million likes for you and a slave that enjoys a good whipping Don't whip your slaves before me. My duty is to protect the citizens of the Empire, and preserve the laws of the Empire. Mistreatment of slaves is a severe breach of Imperial law. But thank you. I do love marmalade on my scones...... if anything needs whipping its the cream I'm gonna put on that beautiful crispy, fluffy, golden surface. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6502	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:28:00 - [74] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: True Adamance wrote: I HateMyFace wrote: Eh as a commando.....I win so **** u Still a filthy Gallentean Commando is no commando at all Hey! I only speak the Word of the Faith. The word is truth. @#Gallentesuckdick @#Gallentetankssuckdick @#Amarrswag "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 172	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:31:00 - [75] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Summ Dude wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavies have been able to use light weapons since the beginning of Dust 514, why are the QQers only just now coming out in force? It's fine. People have been murdering each other in real life since the beginning of time, why are people still making laws to outlaw murder in modern day governments? #murderisfine #logic Um, no, you actually missed the point. The point was that people are just now starting to complain about this, even though it's been around forever. People have been complaining about murder and writing laws against it since there have been civilizations. So your argument is (actually) invalid. #nicetry #illogic My post was sarcastic, but glad to see you took it so seriously. How about we look at some REAL logic? Heavy suits were combat inefficient prior to the buff they got in 1.6. Want to know when the first of these heavy+light weapon complaint threads started? Just a little bit after 1.6. They have gotten worse since the release of even more rifles in 1.7. Heavies with light weapons are nothing new, sure. But GOOD heavies plus light weapons is new. So to answer the question that Aero asked: "why are the QQers only just now coming out in force," it is because of a subsequent buff to heavy suits and introduction of new, ridiculously powerful rifles. THAT is why this is a problem. Is that really an issue with the heavy suit then? Yea you've kinda lost me as well Logi Bro. I recall these threads becoming popular a little bit after the introduction of the RR. And from my experience, that vast majority of them cite this specific fitting as their main annoyance. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 529	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:31:00 - [76] - Quote I said a slave that enjoys a whipping not a slave to whip. best scones are made with milk on the very edge of turning bad. People say you can use lemon juice on fresh milk for the same effect ( said people are all in a large unmarked grave missing faces) they are so easy to make, if you can make a Victoria sponge you can make a decent scone. Edited slightly I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 9	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:33:00 - [77] - Quote It's fair that heavies can wear light weapons. They've got one hmg and one forge. Can be discussed after ccp will give them more heavy weapons. For now leave it as it is :)
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 213	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:36:00 - [78] - Quote Heavies using light weapons is a symptom, not a sickness. The sickness is the fact that there are only two heavy weapons in the game. The fact that people whine about this as if it's some kind of problem in and of itself shows that they have no idea what the hell is going on. The actual problem is that CCP hasn't gotten us racial heavy weaponry. With the pending release of racial Heavy suits in 1.8, the priority in 1.9 should be heavy weapons. You will see the symptom of heavies/sentinels using light weapons intensify as more heavy suit options are added to the game while the amount of heavy weapons remains at two. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2796	Posted - 2014.02.03 04:01:00 - [79] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Yea you've kinda lost me as well Logi Bro. I recall these threads becoming popular a little bit after the introduction of the RR. And from my experience, that vast majority of them cite this specific fitting as their main annoyance. What "specific fitting," are you referring to? RR+Sentinel? Because every QQ I've ever heard is just any variant of a rifle+heavy. And let me make it clear that when I say heavy, I meant sentinel, just because I'm too lazy to spell out sentinel every time. I have been seeing these threads since 1.6, it was just with Scramblers and Duvolles rather than RRs and CRs. Shield Recommendations
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3319	Posted - 2014.02.03 04:06:00 - [80] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Summ Dude wrote: Yea you've kinda lost me as well Logi Bro. I recall these threads becoming popular a little bit after the introduction of the RR. And from my experience, that vast majority of them cite this specific fitting as their main annoyance. What "specific fitting," are you referring to? RR+Sentinel? Because every QQ I've ever heard is just any variant of a rifle+heavy. And let me make it clear that when I say heavy, I meant sentinel, just because I'm too lazy to spell out sentinel every time. I have been seeing these threads since 1.6, it was just with Scramblers and Duvolles rather than RRs and CRs. Still more of a suit factor I think. Time-to-Kill gets really really short (AA, etc.), people will glom onto the suit which gives them that extra second or two. At any rate, weapon damage is being adjusted in 1.8, damage mods are being adjusted too, and even "possibly" proficiency damage bonuses. So, the heavy wields "what" question is pretty much DoA anyway. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.

Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1319	Posted - 2014.02.03 04:12:00 - [81] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: True Adamance wrote: I HateMyFace wrote: Eh as a commando.....I win so **** u Still a filthy Gallentean Commando is no commando at all Hey! I only speak the Word of the Faith. The word is truth. @#Gallentesuckdick @#Gallentetankssuckdick @#Amarrswag I thought we were friends man, brothers in tank, a bond stronger than our backgrounds. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4552	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:00:00 - [82] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? Can someone actually explain how this is a problem? Does anyone in any of these threads have a legitimate reason why a Heavy suit should magically be incapable of using a Light weapon? I suppose we shouldn't allow Sidearms to be put in Light slots either to stop all those stupidly OP double-SMG fits. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Long Evity 1493	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:04:00 - [83] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? Can someone actually explain how this is a problem? Does anyone in any of these threads have a legitimate reason why a Heavy suit should magically be incapable of using a Light weapon? I suppose we shouldn't allow Sidearms to be put in Light slots either to stop all those stupidly OP double-SMG fits. Because heavies fingers are fat!!!!! I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 94	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:08:00 - [84] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No, no they should not. It has been possible since always. What is wrong now? I can't put a damage mod in a low slot so why a light weapon in the heavy slot? Why not make it a "W" slot since any weapon can fit into it, not to mention it would make the commando more appealing. You can fit a sidearm in a light slot. You cannot carry something that's too heavy for you but you can carry something lighter than the heaviest thing you can lift.
fawkuima juggalo Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 905	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:30:00 - [85] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? yes, as that make absolutly NO SENSE whatsoever..... "i am strong enough to carry big gun but i am too dumb to carry small one......" i see where you are coming from, but just because something is hard DOES NOT make it OP. - LOGI REGISTRY, *LIBRARY, AND H.O.F. -
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1081	Posted - 2014.02.03 12:34:00 - [86] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks this? Can someone actually explain how this is a problem? Does anyone in any of these threads have a legitimate reason why a Heavy suit should magically be incapable of using a Light weapon? I suppose we shouldn't allow Sidearms to be put in Light slots either to stop all those stupidly OP double-SMG fits. Its not about logic its about balance. If you bring logic into video games then nothing is balanced. Why can't I throw my 3 grenades at once? why can't I duct tape a nanohive to my back for permanent triage and permanent ammo resupply? Why can't I pick up my nano hive after I've finished resupplying? Why don't nanohive resupply other nanohives? Why are heavies incapable of using equipment. Because balance is more important in video games then logic. If you want to use a heavy suit and a light weapon skill into the commandos, next build they are gonna be beasts. I agree with you about sidearms as well. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 95	Posted - 2014.02.03 14:14:00 - [87] - Quote It says on the website heavies can't use equipment because all the would be space is used for layers of defense. Not to mention heavies with light weapons are easy to kill, in cqc HMG wins easily or if your a medium suit strafe, something heavies do poorly. In long range engagements they can't quickly heal themselves through shield regen or use nanohives for armor regen. Not to mention they easily get stuck on terrain and are easy to scan allowing for easy flanking. With TTK of a combat rifle you can drop a pro heavy in 2 sec flat with std level gun. Not to mention if it truly was better you'd see everyone running heavy suits with light weapons in PC, which is a rarity.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 532	Posted - 2014.02.03 14:19:00 - [88] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: It says on the website heavies can't use equipment because all the would be space is used for layers of defense. Not to mention heavies with light weapons are easy to kill, in cqc HMG wins easily or if your a medium suit strafe, something heavies do poorly. In long range engagements they can't quickly heal themselves through shield regen or use nanohives for armor regen. Not to mention they easily get stuck on terrain and are easy to scan allowing for easy flanking. With TTK of a combat rifle you can drop a pro heavy in 2 sec flat with std level gun. Not to mention if it truly was better you'd see everyone running heavy suits with light weapons in PC, which is a rarity. The only time a heavy grabs a light in pc is to pick people off roofs or open terrain usually I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1572	Posted - 2014.02.03 14:24:00 - [89] - Quote Any suit should be able to use any module it has a slot for and any weapon that will fit into the weapon slot. There is nothing wrong with a heavy using a light weapon. I ran with a guy for a while who only used a scrambler pistol on his heavy suit. Variety is the spice of life and we should be telling others how to fit their suit or play the game. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1041	Posted - 2014.02.03 14:27:00 - [90] - Quote I highly dislike them...It's cheap and when you do that to them, due to their eHP surviving your punishment, you feel like you've been cheated. But it makes sense logistically...They're slow AF, can't stack damage mods, and can't strafe well. When you see the majority of a team using this tactic to win the battle, you could understand why it gets super frustrating. This is where Mass Drivers would be effective for counter-balance but lol they're not even worth it right now. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus



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