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Zekain K
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:22:00 -
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I'm not talking about skill, But the play style of an armor tanker in general. People say that they are overpowered because of how everyone occasionally runs into one, or a group of armor tankers that are actually trying to do the one thing we can do naturally. Heal.
If they did not have the healing equipment, they would be easy pickings. Its self evident by how rare it is to actually see an armor tanker sit on a rep hive, or have a logi backing them. theres also a safety factor. Shield tankers can gocamywhere they want, and will never have to worry about their shield recharge failing them. Whereas an armor tanker is screwed out in the open. He would have to leave healing hotspots around to stay alive. We don't have to do that.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:26:00 -
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Finally someone who understands.
Healing equipment is unreliable, you just DON'T stack plates on armor suits, you're just crying to lose your suit.
Half of the slots are usually dedicated to armor repairers.
Would also like to note that shield recharge is getting a massive buff in 1.8 on shield suits.
Caldari heavy: 30hp/s
Caldari assault: 40hp/s
Caldari scout: 50hp/s
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:28:00 -
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I think that the perception of the armour/shield balance is heavily skewed by the current logistics that we have.
Consider the Gallente logistics. 800 armour, triage hives, reps, scanners, inherent regen, the works. That's OP.
Then consider the Gallente assault. Less armour (ranging from 500-600, generally) , no inherent regen, one EQ and therefore unable to use the armour support tools, etc.
I think you have the right of it, though. At brawling, armour does well. At kiting, shield is superior. That's how it should be, hm?
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:29:00 -
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In all honesty, the only reason I don't shield tank is because of my lack of sp to support it because of how necessary complex extenders are.
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Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:30:00 -
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message from Godin: bu but I can stealth tank better than any Caldari or Winmatar suit can, and I'm faster than the Caldari HAV's...... |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1297
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:30:00 -
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Double post
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:36:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:In all honesty, the only reason I don't shield tank is because of my lack of sp to support it because of how necessary complex extenders are.
This is another point, actually.
The scaling on shield extenders is horrendous, and the lower tier ones really should have a bit more health.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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6152
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:37:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:message from Godin: bu but I can stealth tank better than any Caldari or Winmatar suit can, and I'm faster than the Caldari HAV's......
Uhh... wat
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1297
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:38:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:message from Godin: bu but I can stealth tank better than any Caldari or Winmatar suit can, and I'm faster than the Caldari HAV's...... Uhh... wat
Someone spiked the quafe.
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
1559
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:43:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:I'm not talking about skill, But the play style of an armor tanker in general. People say that they are overpowered because of how everyone occasionally runs into one, or a group of armor tankers that are actually trying to do the one thing we can do naturally. Heal.
If they did not have the healing equipment, they would be easy pickings. Its self evident by how rare it is to actually see an armor tanker sit on a rep hive, or have a logi backing them. theres also a safety factor. Shield tankers can gocamywhere they want, and will never have to worry about their shield recharge failing them. Whereas an armor tanker is screwed out in the open. He would have to leave healing hotspots around to stay alive. We don't have to do that.
I like my armor tanked suit as i prefer to brawl it out instead of trying to make a run for it and armor allows me to do that, though in extended firefights vs multiple opponents my suit gets worn down and i need a hive to get repped back up.
Both work pretty well.
Shield tries to wear down an Armor tank by popping in and out of combat.
Armor tries to kill Shield before it tries to retreat into cover.
Shield, if my protection layer is gone, retreat fight another day...
Armor, if my protection layer is gone, ill be dead, so lemme kill you before that happens... :)
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:46:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Zekain K wrote:I'm not talking about skill, But the play style of an armor tanker in general. People say that they are overpowered because of how everyone occasionally runs into one, or a group of armor tankers that are actually trying to do the one thing we can do naturally. Heal.
If they did not have the healing equipment, they would be easy pickings. Its self evident by how rare it is to actually see an armor tanker sit on a rep hive, or have a logi backing them. theres also a safety factor. Shield tankers can gocamywhere they want, and will never have to worry about their shield recharge failing them. Whereas an armor tanker is screwed out in the open. He would have to leave healing hotspots around to stay alive. We don't have to do that. I like my armor tanked suit as i prefer to brawl it out instead of trying to make a run for it and armor allows me to do that, though in extended firefights vs multiple opponents my suit gets worn down and i need a hive to get repped back up. Both work pretty well. Shield tries to wear down an Armor tank by popping in and out of combat. Armor tries to kill Shield before it tries to retreat into cover. Shield, if my protection layer is gone, retreat fight another day... Armor, if my protection layer is gone, ill be dead, so lemme kill you before that happens... :)
Which fits perfectly with my hyper aggressive play style.
You will NOT run away from me to regenerate, I will take you down.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:52:00 -
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The only thing OP about armor are logi suits.
The not Logic Bomb!
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
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Posted - 2014.02.01 20:53:00 -
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The problem with armor is they have tank and gank. Shields are supposed to be the DPs dealers. Get in, deal damage, get out. Armor is about staying power. They can make up for damage mods it with EWAR.
Move damage mods to the lows, and move everything save fitting mods, regulators, and damage mods to the highs. Shields can shore up their weaknesses with regulators. Armor should be able to shire up their weaknesses (slow) with kincats, plus have codebreakers and all that to get the advantage over shields. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:09:00 -
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The only justification for damage mods going to lows seems to be lore and Eve, saying Shields are meant to dish out more damage (which in most cases compared to the racial equivalent, they do less dps). An actual shield fix needs to happen or the problem just switches hands. Part of the problem comes from damafe mods themselves, they more than triple in affect from basic to complex.
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:28:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:I'm not talking about skill, But the play style of an armor tanker in general. People say that they are overpowered because of how everyone occasionally runs into one, or a group of armor tankers that are actually trying to do the one thing we can do naturally. Heal.
If they did not have the healing equipment, they would be easy pickings. Its self evident by how rare it is to actually see an armor tanker sit on a rep hive, or have a logi backing them. theres also a safety factor. Shield tankers can gocamywhere they want, and will never have to worry about their shield recharge failing them. Whereas an armor tanker is screwed out in the open. He would have to leave healing hotspots around to stay alive. We don't have to do that.
OMG you are probably the only shield tanker/Caldari who not only appreciates his natural repair but also understands how difficult it is to armor tank. +1
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:36:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with armor is they have tank and gank. Shields are supposed to be the DPs dealers. Get in, deal damage, get out. Armor is about staying power. They can make up for damage mods it with EWAR.
Move damage mods to the lows, and move everything save fitting mods, regulators, and damage mods to the highs. Shields can shore up their weaknesses with regulators. Armor should be able to shire up their weaknesses (slow) with kincats, plus have codebreakers and all that to get the advantage over shields.
Actually in DUST, armor is supposed to be the DPS dealer in close range...
Unless of course you will agree to have plate HP to increase so that the HP difference actually matters. (The average proto Gallente assault has 500-600 HP max)
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
210
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:37:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Zekain K wrote:I'm not talking about skill, But the play style of an armor tanker in general. People say that they are overpowered because of how everyone occasionally runs into one, or a group of armor tankers that are actually trying to do the one thing we can do naturally. Heal.
If they did not have the healing equipment, they would be easy pickings. Its self evident by how rare it is to actually see an armor tanker sit on a rep hive, or have a logi backing them. theres also a safety factor. Shield tankers can gocamywhere they want, and will never have to worry about their shield recharge failing them. Whereas an armor tanker is screwed out in the open. He would have to leave healing hotspots around to stay alive. We don't have to do that. OMG you are probably the only shield tanker/Caldari who not only appreciates his natural repair but also understands how difficult it is to armor tank. +1
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Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:39:00 -
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SE's could still give a little more health to make up for the increased recharge delay.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:45:00 -
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Yup, we can use 2 plates and 2 reps.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:54:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Finally someone who understands.
Healing equipment is unreliable, you just DON'T stack plates on armor suits, you're just crying to lose your suit.
Half of the slots are usually dedicated to armor repairers.
Would also like to note that shield recharge is getting a massive buff in 1.8 on shield suits.
Caldari heavy: 30hp/s
Caldari assault: 40hp/s
Caldari scout: 50hp/s
what about minmitar? or are they getting ****** over again...
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:01:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:In all honesty, the only reason I don't shield tank is because of my lack of sp to support it because of how necessary complex extenders are. This is another point, actually. The scaling on shield extenders is horrendous, and the lower tier ones really should have a bit more health.
they also need lower pg requirements so that the people who use them can fit biotics in the lows. For armor tankers, you only need adv plates which have very low costs, a low penalty, and a lower sp requirement. For shields to be effective you need complex extenders, which have a huge cpu and pg cost. For armor tankers, stacking adv plates allows for the use of cpu intensive damage mods, but for shield tankers, the high pg cost doesn't allow for the use of biotics in the lows. That is the real imbalance in my opinion. If the costs were reduced and the shield tankers (caldari and minmitar) receive better incentives to stack shields, i.e. more recharge and better recharge delay, the disparity between shields and armor will be fixed.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:02:00 -
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i made a thread about getting up some number to fix shields and armor disparity, which includes a unique set of ideas for buffs and nerds, ill put it in here.
MODULES
The main modules that need their effectiveness reduced in comparison to other modules are MLT, STD, and ADV armor plates (non-variant), and damage mods. CCP plans on nerfing damage mods, so i will not comment on that
these are some possible buffs to reduce armor and shield disparity-
STD: (75 armor, 3 PG, 10 CPU) vs (33 shields, 2 PG, 15 CPU)
ADV: (100 armor, 6 PG, 20 CPU) vs (55 shields, 4 PG, 36 CPU)
PRO: (135 armor, 12 PG, 30 CPU) vs (70 shields, 8 PG, 54 CPU)
if anything, the ludicrous costs of shield extenders need to be lowered especially in the pg departments for 3 reasons-
1. At proto level, (their only useful level), they only cost 1 pg less than proto plates, but 24 more cpu
2. Shield tankers (minmitar/caldari) have very low pg, but high cpu
3. Biotic modules which are supposed to be coupled with shields to create a hit and run style of suit cost the most pg of any module in the game, making them unfittable if the user also wants to stack shields
In addition, Caldari and minmitar suits need an innate buff to shield recharge delay (not depleted) and recharge rate of about 15-25%
ARMOR ALSO NEEDS A BUFF
The penalties for movement speed for all plates are backwards in my opinion, and is part of the reason no one uses anything past ADV plates. A solution for this would be to make the penalty constant across all tiers, possibly a 3-4% penalty depending on common opinion. Also, ferroscales and reactive plates are a joke, and i dont even use armor. I think that ferroscales need a slight buff hp wise (5% ish), but should also have very low fitting costs. Reactive plates should have a lower penalty than other plates (1-2%), and have 1/2/3 hp/s respectively for each tier. Also, they are in need of a lower fitting cost by a lot like ferroscales. Also, armor repairers should be moved to high slots. I currently think it is unfair to armor tankers that shield tankers are able to use both high and low slots to tank their suit, while armor tankers must only use low slots.
-proposed buff for armor repairers- move to a high slot, or instead just add a high module that bonuses armor regen
-Armor repair, however, should not work while taking fire, in other words, add a 1 sec delay after taking fire to armor repair
-OTHER MODULES- kincats should affect strafing speed, codebreakers need a lower cpu/pg cost
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Izlare Lenix
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:06:00 -
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Having to pick between tank and gank makes sense in eve. You pick a high dps glass canon shield tank or a low dps high ehp armor tank. You either kill fast our survive longer.
Yet in Dust you can pick high dps and high ehp armor suits. Shields are out performed in evey way by armor in dust. Armor gets superior dps, superior ehp, armorhives, armor reps, armor repair with a needle stick. Armor tankers can also camp while standing in a triage hive getting immediate repairs.
Shields get crap ehp, lackluster dps, and a bs shield regen that takes 5 seconds of hiding to even activate. With TTK the way it is having high armor ehp and more dps is much better than having less shield ehp that regens faster on its own.
Anyone that thinks armor is not better than shields on dropsuits is a liar or an idiot.
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:15:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Having to pick between tank and gank makes sense in eve. You pick a high dps glass canon shield tank or a low dps high ehp armor tank. You either kill fast or survive longer.
Yet in Dust you can pick high dps and high ehp armor suits. Shields are out performed in evey way by armor in dust. Armor gets superior dps, superior ehp, armorhives, armor reps, armor repair with a needle stick. Armor tankers can also camp while standing in a triage hive getting immediate repairs.
Shields get crap ehp, lackluster dps, and a bs shield regen that takes 5 seconds of hiding to even activate. With TTK the way it is having high armor ehp and more dps is much better than having less shield ehp that regens faster on its own.
Anyone that thinks armor is not better than shields on dropsuits is a liar or an idiot.
i currently like how it works, shields get huge mobility and e-war, armor gets huge EHP and damage. However, currently, shields are underperforming even in their current niche, which is a problem
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:19:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with armor is they have tank and gank. Shields are supposed to be the DPs dealers. Get in, deal damage, get out. Armor is about staying power. They can make up for damage mods it with EWAR.
Move damage mods to the lows, and move everything save fitting mods, regulators, and damage mods to the highs. Shields can shore up their weaknesses with regulators. Armor should be able to shire up their weaknesses (slow) with kincats, plus have codebreakers and all that to get the advantage over shields. Actually in DUST, armor is supposed to be the DPS dealer in close range... Unless of course you will agree to have plate HP to increase so that the HP difference actually matters. (The average proto Gallente assault has 500-600 HP max)
Plates do have double the hp of extenders. That is significant, but armor tankers have to add reppers and shields tankers do not. Perhaps moving reppers could help, though I'm not sure it would be worth giving up damage mods. But getting other mods like codebreakers and kin cats would make it easier to swallow.
Definitely would like to see development of other mods rather than just moving mods but it would be a start.
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:29:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with armor is they have tank and gank. Shields are supposed to be the DPs dealers. Get in, deal damage, get out. Armor is about staying power. They can make up for damage mods it with EWAR.
Move damage mods to the lows, and move everything save fitting mods, regulators, and damage mods to the highs. Shields can shore up their weaknesses with regulators. Armor should be able to shire up their weaknesses (slow) with kincats, plus have codebreakers and all that to get the advantage over shields.
No, we have a Buffer that allows a short window to gank, but if we tank we arent gonna be back into the fight in 20 seconds unless we carry proto hives and that only works 3 times.
If you move Damage mods to the Lows, all you have just done is give every shield suit MAX EHP, while they GANK with full damage, pop around a corner and recover 25 EHP a second while having superior Mobility over an Armor suit.
That leaves an Armor suit with what exactly, speed in their high slots, while stacking armor plates? yes that makes sense.....
Basically we will be left with Shield Suits, capable of moving fast, recovering fast and dealing damage really fast vs Fast armor suits that still don't recover their armor any faster then they do now, they don't deal damage but regardless of their armor plates, they can sprint really well, yeah lemme spec into your OP as F*ck Fixed Shield suit next...
Theres so much wrong, ill just stop here...
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:30:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with armor is they have tank and gank. Shields are supposed to be the DPs dealers. Get in, deal damage, get out. Armor is about staying power. They can make up for damage mods it with EWAR.
Move damage mods to the lows, and move everything save fitting mods, regulators, and damage mods to the highs. Shields can shore up their weaknesses with regulators. Armor should be able to shire up their weaknesses (slow) with kincats, plus have codebreakers and all that to get the advantage over shields. Actually in DUST, armor is supposed to be the DPS dealer in close range... Unless of course you will agree to have plate HP to increase so that the HP difference actually matters. (The average proto Gallente assault has 500-600 HP max) Plates do have double the hp of extenders. That is significant, but armor tankers have to add reppers and shields tankers do not. Perhaps moving reppers could help, though I'm not sure it would be worth giving up damage mods. But getting other mods like codebreakers and kin cats would make it easier to swallow. Definitely would like to see development of other mods rather than just moving mods but it would be a start.
With the current meta, armor tanked dont don't HAVE to fit reppers. The amount of logi support repping and dropping triage hives makes up for not having your own rep. And most logi slayers stack plates, use suit natural heal rate and drop their own compact hive when they need reps. When running with a squad with logi support or using a logi suit, stacked plates are better than your own repper. This adds more ehp to armor suits, widening the gap further between armor supremacy and shield shittyness.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:55:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Galvan Nized wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:The problem with armor is they have tank and gank. Shields are supposed to be the DPs dealers. Get in, deal damage, get out. Armor is about staying power. They can make up for damage mods it with EWAR.
Move damage mods to the lows, and move everything save fitting mods, regulators, and damage mods to the highs. Shields can shore up their weaknesses with regulators. Armor should be able to shire up their weaknesses (slow) with kincats, plus have codebreakers and all that to get the advantage over shields. Actually in DUST, armor is supposed to be the DPS dealer in close range... Unless of course you will agree to have plate HP to increase so that the HP difference actually matters. (The average proto Gallente assault has 500-600 HP max) Plates do have double the hp of extenders. That is significant, but armor tankers have to add reppers and shields tankers do not. Perhaps moving reppers could help, though I'm not sure it would be worth giving up damage mods. But getting other mods like codebreakers and kin cats would make it easier to swallow. Definitely would like to see development of other mods rather than just moving mods but it would be a start. With the current meta, armor tanked dont don't HAVE to fit reppers. The amount of logi support repping and dropping triage hives makes up for not having your own rep. And most logi slayers stack plates, use suit natural heal rate and drop their own compact hive when they need reps. When running with a squad with logi support or using a logi suit, stacked plates are better than your own repper. This adds more ehp to armor suits, widening the gap further between armor supremacy and shield shittyness.
So would you agree that the problem is linked more to the logistics than anything else?
Or do you think that even without logistics, armour is the de facto better choice for everything?
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Posted - 2014.02.01 23:03:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:I'm not talking about skill, But the play style of an armor tanker in general. People say that they are overpowered because of how everyone occasionally runs into one, or a group of armor tankers that are actually trying to do the one thing we can do naturally. Heal.
If they did not have the healing equipment, they would be easy pickings. Its self evident by how rare it is to actually see an armor tanker sit on a rep hive, or have a logi backing them. theres also a safety factor. Shield tankers can gocamywhere they want, and will never have to worry about their shield recharge failing them. Whereas an armor tanker is screwed out in the open. He would have to leave healing hotspots around to stay alive. We don't have to do that.
GAL ASSAULT Gk.0 (example)
1 Cx armor rep
3 ENH Armor plates
See?
Sacrificing HP repair (instead of a 20 shield recharge rate per second, 6.25 armor rep per second)
For a big HP advantage (619 armor in 1.7 and 715 as per 1.8)
And you are forgetting armor tankers Have a chance to get to FULL HP back (shield natural rep + armor rep),while a shield tanker would have to waste a slot on a Armor rep or Reactive plate to do this.
So yeah , Armor tankers sacrifice (minimal) speed and rep capacity, to gain bigger numbers in HP values.
They dont suck, they are jsut a different type of soldier.
Armor tankers are not necessarily OP, its armor plates that are broken in comparison to Shield extenders.
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Posted - 2014.02.01 23:33:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Part of the problem comes from damafe mods themselves, they more than triple in affect from basic to complex.
You're right. Make it 5-7-10. Because let's be honest...basic and advanced damage mods really suck, but so do advanced and basic shields, and shield rechargers. I'm starting to see a trend.
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