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Kane Fyea
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Posted - 2014.01.30 01:08:00 -
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I think all the rifles are OP (By rifles I mean the Rail, Combat, Scrambler, and Plasma rifles). They're clearly better then most other weapons in this game. So it's only logical to nerf them instead of buffing most other weapons. Also nerfing them would increase TTK a bit.
But to balance them to each other the Rail Rifle simply needs to be less effective in CQC. |
Kane Fyea
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Posted - 2014.01.30 01:29:00 -
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Happy Jack SD wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Stop.
TTK is bad enough, and you propose to buff ALL other weapons instead of nerfing ONE?
Just don't. ... Except the RR's dps is equal to or less than the other rifles. Clearly it is not the one reponsible for low TTK, as TTK was an issue befor 1.7.
Yea it was the AR causing the low TTK (Now of course they're other factors but this one is a big factor) which the new weapons were balanced around the AR so yea it is all of the rifles not just the Rail Rifle. |
Kane Fyea
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:07:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Kane Fyea:''I think all the rifles are OP (By rifles I mean the Rail, Combat, Scrambler, and Plasma rifles). They're clearly better then most other weapons in this game''
GÖª Nope. Incorrect. More like the rest of the weapons are Underpowered. Weapons like the shotgun and the LR need to be buffed to overpower Rifles in their niche, say Shotgun being overall OP at close range 1 HKO all light suits ,1 HKO med frames and 2 HKO Heavies and Tanked med frames.
Yep most other weapons are UP COMPARED to the rifles. Buffing most other weapons would simply waste developer time and decrease TTK. (Which is already low) So yes by that definition the rifles are OP since they are clearly better then most other weapons in this game and only a dumbass would buff pretty much EVERY OTHER WEAPON IN THE GAME instead of nerfing 4 especially considering the low TTK. (This game is supposed to be a high health tracking shooter not a low health twitch shooter like CoD) I know you like your OP weapon and want to keep it for as long as possible but that does not justify making everyone else suffer while CCP slowly buff the other weapons in the game.
Really it is simply common sense to nerf the four rifles instead of buffing most of the other weapons. If you can't see that then you obviously have no interest in balance. |
Kane Fyea
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:12:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:in CQ , i will shoot 1 or 2 CR bursts before a RR user can even start firing, applying a minimum of 172 damage, considering the CR as a STD weapon and the Shield penalty of -10%....
Yea the CR is supposed to be really good in CQC. That's why it's range is limited to short-medium range. (Although the Plasma Rifle is supposed to be superior to the CR in CQC) |
Kane Fyea
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:15:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:Not OP? This is the silliest weapon I-¦ve seen since early Beta. Please.. Stop talking nonsense.
No that would go to the chromosome laser rifle IMO. The RR isn't really OP (Its a little too effective in CQC) against the other 3 rifles. (But when compared to most other weapons yes it's OP but so is all of the rifles) |
Kane Fyea
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:22:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Kane Fyea:''I think all the rifles are OP (By rifles I mean the Rail, Combat, Scrambler, and Plasma rifles). They're clearly better then most other weapons in this game''
GÖª Nope. Incorrect. More like the rest of the weapons are Underpowered. Weapons like the shotgun and the LR need to be buffed to overpower Rifles in their niche, say Shotgun being overall OP at close range 1 HKO all light suits ,1 HKO med frames and 2 HKO Heavies and Tanked med frames. Yep most other weapons are UP COMPARED to the rifles. Buffing most other weapons would simply waste developer time and decrease TTK. (Which is already low) So yes by that definition the rifles are OP since they are clearly better then most other weapons in this game and only a dumba ss would buff pretty much EVERY OTHER WEAPON IN THE GAME instead of nerfing 4 especially considering the low TTK. (This game is supposed to be a high health tracking shooter not a low health twitch shooter like CoD) I know you like your OP weapon and want to keep it for as long as possible but that does not justify making everyone else suffer while CCP slowly buff the other weapons in the game. Really it is simply common sense to nerf the four rifles instead of buffing most of the other weapons. If you can't see that then you obviously have no interest in balance or you are pretty stupid. If you nerf the RR, then it would be a little more on par with the AR.
But it would NEVER defeat a SCR or a CR.
Period.Plus, a RR nerf wont help weapons like the SG,LR,MD,etc...AT ALL, so you are still not fixing the problem.
I'm not just saying nerf the RR I'm saying nerf the Scrambler, Plasma, Combat, and Rail rifles Also ScRs are supposed to be best in 1 vs 1 fights. It's disadvantage is not being able to take out multiple targets efficiently unlike the other 3 rifles (ScR = High alpha low DPS). Also the the CR is a bit too powerful.
Also nerfing the rifles would help level the playing field a lot quicker then buffing all of the other weapons would and gives a lot less of a chance for them to be made OP. |
Kane Fyea
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:24:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:in CQ , i will shoot 1 or 2 CR bursts before a RR user can even start firing, applying a minimum of 172 damage, considering the CR as a STD weapon and the Shield penalty of -10%.... Yea the CR is supposed to be really good in CQC. That's why it's range is limited to short-medium range. (Although the Plasma Rifle is supposed to be superior to the CR in CQC) WELL its surprisingly good all the way up to its Optimal range, so much that unless a SCR/RR user out-ranges it, the CR can win with relative ease...(vs the RR due to its RoF and the SCR because of a better sight, making it easier to score hits).
The CR is a bit too powerful. The ScR needs a better sight and a reduction to the RoF so you can't spam shots like crazy. |
Kane Fyea
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:43:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:
I'm not just saying nerf the RR I'm saying nerf the Scrambler, Plasma, Combat, and Rail rifles Also ScRs are supposed to be best in 1 vs 1 fights. It's disadvantage is not being able to take out multiple targets efficiently unlike the other 3 rifles (ScR = High alpha low DPS). Also the the CR is a bit too powerful.
Let me explain what happens if you INCREASE TTK (by nerfing Rifles):GÖªScout gets behind enemy / Sneak attack / Cant kill enemy on time / Turns around / enemy wins GÖªHeavies with LW would own the day GÖªa Single Logi repairing a Heavy will be unstoppable unless 4 or more enemies attack at the SAME time the heavy or the logi. With the LOW player count we have in dust, (in a infantry vs infantry scenario) 8 heavies and 8 logis would be unstoppable. Literally. What people dont consider is that in this game we have DIFFERENT weights in suits.
Most people requesting higher TTK are MED frames, since scouts know this wont help them survive more than .5 seconds and instead will make hunting enemies down harder and Heavies wont have a problem with the new Resistances incoming....So no.
Leave Rifles as they are, but make the MD a more powerful area denial weapon, the LR have more range and damage, The shotgun the Ultimate CQ shooting weapon, the PC have less reload and a lot more Splash damage, etc.......
Yea that's what happens when you increase TTK too much. As the TTK is now diverse fittings don't matter simply because doing anything but adding damage or tank to your fitting isn't practical no longer. I love this game because of the skill and fitting systems but as it is now we might as well have no fitting system since the only fits that are practical to use are ones with either stacked damage mods, stacked armor and shields, or both. Also I'm someone who has used every weapon, suit, and vehicle this game has to offer so don't pull that medium frame are biased shit. (If a respec comes around I'll be speccing fully into scout with a shotgun since that's what I love) Also you seem to not think about how scouts are right now. They're killed INSTANTLY by any of the racial rifles. So increasing TTK would actually help scouts survive longer then .5 seconds.
But seriously I think you're looking for Call of Duty which is that way >>>>>> |
Kane Fyea
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Posted - 2014.01.30 03:08:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:
Yea that's what happens when you increase TTK too much. As the TTK is now diverse fittings don't matter simply because doing anything but adding damage or tank to your fitting isn't practical no longer. I love this game because of the skill and fitting systems but as it is now we might as well have no fitting system since the only fits that are practical to use are ones with either stacked damage mods, stacked armor and shields, or both. Also I'm someone who has used every weapon, suit, and vehicle this game has to offer so don't pull that I'm biased because I'm a medium frame shit. (If a respec comes around I'll be speccing fully into scout with a shotgun since that's what I love) Also you seem to not think about how scouts are right now. They're killed INSTANTLY by any of the racial rifles. So increasing TTK would actually help scouts survive longer then .5 seconds.
But seriously I think you're looking for Call of Duty since you obviously want a twitch shooter which this game is not supposed to be.
1-st - if a scout is seen ,hes doing it wrong.I run an Amarr assault with 400HP and a scout with 204HP , until yesterday, played solo most of the time (at least 95%), most of the time for amarr FW and i dont have less than 3K-D ratio....So...
2-nd-I havnt played a single CoD in my life.TTk in Dust is high enough, then again, this is not directly the issue at hand.
Maybe you should play CoD then seeing that you obviously like a lower TTK. That'd be better then trying to change one of the only FPS with a higher TTK (Which currently is at CoDs level when it used to be higher before 1.5. 1.5 was when they made good improvements to the hit detection and also released a working aim assist) |
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