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BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 302	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:19:00 - [1] - Quote Ya know CCP, I've been telling you this since the beta, but you just don't ******* get it do you? If you let 6 proto gods, two of whom are in tanks, join into a pub room with nothing but soloing randoms on the other side it's going to be a redline fest every damned time. There's a couple of things that have to be taken as fact regarding most PSN FPS players: 1) They are completely inept. No...really. A sorrier lot of worthless douchebags cannot be found under a collective banner. Think of the dumbest blue dot you've ever seen and then figure that there are others even dumber than that. 2) They don't have mics 3) They don't go to message boards 4) The vast majority of them don't know what PC is, and even if they did they have no desire to partake in it since they aren't hardcore gamers. 5) The only EvE they are familiar with is "Summer's" 6) The ones that are from EvE are some of the worst blue dots out there. 7) They can't find even the most simple of objectives. I know this because I've spent all day waiting for them to come along with me to an objective only to watch them meander off in the opposite direction at the point of no return and get slaughtered by guys in ADV gear after they've torn me apart on the button. Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17. This is not just a result of the lackluster play of the blue dots. It's the fact that on the kill feed I see the same 4 or 6 guys committing wholesale blue dot genocide and every feed starts with "Boundless", or "Kaalikota", or Ishkune etc. The guys running around 4 to 6 deep running proto gear are sending the blue dots (and myself) screaming to the redline. I can't even get out in a fully tanked 7-8K HP without getting ganked by three other tanks/assault Dropships. And again, this isn't a few games, this was over the course of five hours. How long do you think someone that has zero investment in this game is going to keep sticking it out once they figure out that their skill means next to nothing compared to the gear they don't have and won't acquire for months? They're dumb, but they aren't THAT dumb. And it's fully likely that before they have that epiphany that they've completely borked their toon's skill tree. DUST is a massive uphill battle in a lot of ways. The "War Academy" is a nice gesture but at the end of the day is a damned joke. Throwing guys still primarily in Militia gear against PC players that are earning 100 million a week and can actually afford to go isk negative in pub rooms and not care about it one lick...maybe the game should be renamed to Dickmove514; because that's all it really is. There is no "HTFU", or "Adapt or Die"...there is no adaptation to be had, just scores of players going negative and they quit playing the game. It's not a matter of skill, or "grinding", it's the fact that they can't even be competitive. I like the new lower TTK, but when you're playing with a max EHP under 400 and going against guys that can press the trigger twice and reduce you to a faint memory...eventually players aren't going to care about leveling or proficiency...they just want to be able to compete and know they aren't set up to fail. Where are the numbers CCP? You're keeping them. What does the "average" dust player look like hours wise? Have they been released? If they're good or in your favor, why not? I figure since the numbers aren't posted, they support the claims being made that this game can't retain a player base. And why is that? Massive built in imbalance. Newbs being throw in against proto stomping PC quality players makes this game ZERO fun. At some point the model for Dust starts feeling more and more like a facebook game than a groundbreaking RPG FPS. Get your act together and separate the newbs from the vets or for the love of all that's holy have an ADV or lower game mode or just be prepared to become a "coulda been" failure on the scale of MAG and Brink. They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1703	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:21:00 - [2] - Quote Did someone join Spambush? You should know better by now that nyan San/chan go there to pad their kdr "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 302	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:26:00 - [3] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Did someone join Spambush? You should know better by now that nyan San/chan go there to pad their kdr Skirmish with some DOM mixed in. 5 hours...maybe 5 or 6 wins. It was like every time I was on the side that didn't have the 4-6 tryhards. Some games I had no choice after loosing two or three tanks to hot tank on tank on tank on tank action reducing my Gunnlogi's and Madrugar's to so much scrap...I just grabbed a free suit and AFK farmed while surfing the net. After I while I even quit being mad....I was simply amazed. They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homosapiens 191	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:33:00 - [4] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17. It is impossible to have a negative kdr. In your example, 1/17 = 1 divided by 17 = 0.0588235294117647 repeated which can never be negative. In the very least aspect, kdr can be 0, but nothing less than that. also, LOL'd
Ankbar Latrommi Immortal Guides 40	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:35:00 - [5] - Quote I guess that would be a kdd (kill-death-delta), not a kdr (kill-death-ratio)... Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 172	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:38:00 - [6] - Quote Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms. This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time. Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better. /thread
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 323	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:43:00 - [7] - Quote not really a diplomatic post but its true. matchmaking needs serious help.
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 442	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:46:00 - [8] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms. This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time. Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better. /thread This guy gets it. Also,if I were CCP, I'd have stopped reading your lil QQ tantrum at the first line. Civility is easier to read than butt devastation . I'll give you some advice I give many here; go open the window and get some fresh air. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making Proud Minmatar
AP Grasshopper The Unit 514 158	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:51:00 - [9] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Did someone join Spambush? You should know better by now that nyan San/chan go there to pad their kdr Skirmish with some DOM mixed in. 5 hours...maybe 5 or 6 wins. It was like every time I was on the side that didn't have the 4-6 tryhards. Some games I had no choice after loosing two or three tanks to hot tank on tank on tank on tank action reducing my Gunnlogi's and Madrugar's to so much scrap...I just grabbed a free suit and AFK farmed while surfing the net. After I while I even quit being mad....I was simply amazed. Maybe your 1/16th of the problem
Green Living 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1167	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:55:00 - [10] - Quote What's up Battle Cry? Long time no see brother.

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 494	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:57:00 - [11] - Quote If you actually know what you're doing you can capture a single point and hold it alone. :/ Unless there's a full proto team on the other end, then that's just diddly-winks. You can't blame others for failing to do what you failed to do, cause that's hypocrisy. Also what is hypocritical is to say that all blue dots are morons. Yet YOU are a blue dot, claiming intelligence of others, thereby invalidating your statement of competency with your own statement of ignorance. :/ See how it kind of loops on itself there? If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1214	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:16:00 - [12] - Quote do you feel better now? I've had bad games, and lord knows I've had massively incompetent blueberrys, and I've had matches where I've been the massively incompetent blueberry. nothing goes right and I die a lot. so it goes. channel the anger into something constructive, not this crap. I had a thread in the rookie training grounds about dropship etiquette. it was mildly successful and I think one of the cool mercs who lead a training corp ended up sending it out to all the new bros in his corp. when I typed it I was livid, I was an atom bomb in a volcano about to explode. but rather than calling everyone around me an idiot as I was so, so inclined to do I assumed that they simply didn't know better. I have no idea how many people read it or if any of them listened, but if one, only one person listened it was a success. I still regard that thread as one of my favorite forum posts. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 349	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:19:00 - [13] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Ya know CCP, I've been telling you this since the beta, but you just don't ******* get it do you? If you let 6 proto gods, two of whom are in tanks, join into a pub room with nothing but soloing randoms on the other side it's going to be a redline fest every damned time. There's a couple of things that have to be taken as fact regarding most PSN FPS players: 1) They are completely inept. No...really. A sorrier lot of worthless douchebags cannot be found under a collective banner. Think of the dumbest blue dot you've ever seen and then figure that there are others even dumber than that. 2) They don't have mics 3) They don't go to message boards 4) The vast majority of them don't know what PC is, and even if they did they have no desire to partake in it since they aren't hardcore gamers. 5) The only EvE they are familiar with is "Summer's" 6) The ones that are from EvE are some of the worst blue dots out there. 7) They can't find even the most simple of objectives. I know this because I've spent all day waiting for them to come along with me to an objective only to watch them meander off in the opposite direction at the point of no return and get slaughtered by guys in ADV gear after they've torn me apart on the button. Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17. This is not just a result of the lackluster play of the blue dots. It's the fact that on the kill feed I see the same 4 or 6 guys committing wholesale blue dot genocide and every feed starts with "Boundless", or "Kaalikota", or Ishkune etc. The guys running around 4 to 6 deep running proto gear are sending the blue dots (and myself) screaming to the redline. I can't even get out in a fully tanked 7-8K HP without getting ganked by three other tanks/assault Dropships. And again, this isn't a few games, this was over the course of five hours. How long do you think someone that has zero investment in this game is going to keep sticking it out once they figure out that their skill means next to nothing compared to the gear they don't have and won't acquire for months? They're dumb, but they aren't THAT dumb. And it's fully likely that before they have that epiphany that they've completely borked their toon's skill tree. DUST is a massive uphill battle in a lot of ways. The "War Academy" is a nice gesture but at the end of the day is a damned joke. Throwing guys still primarily in Militia gear against PC players that are earning 100 million a week and can actually afford to go isk negative in pub rooms and not care about it one lick...maybe the game should be renamed to Dickmove514; because that's all it really is. There is no "HTFU", or "Adapt or Die"...there is no adaptation to be had, just scores of players going negative and they quit playing the game. It's not a matter of skill, or "grinding", it's the fact that they can't even be competitive. I like the new lower TTK, but when you're playing with a max EHP under 400 and going against guys that can press the trigger twice and reduce you to a faint memory...eventually players aren't going to care about leveling or proficiency...they just want to be able to compete and know they aren't set up to fail. Where are the numbers CCP? You're keeping them. What does the "average" dust player look like hours wise? Have they been released? If they're good or in your favor, why not? I figure since the numbers aren't posted, they support the claims being made that this game can't retain a player base. And why is that? Massive built in imbalance. Newbs being throw in against proto stomping PC quality players makes this game ZERO fun. At some point the model for Dust starts feeling more and more like a facebook game than a groundbreaking RPG FPS. Get your act together and separate the newbs from the vets or for the love of all that's holy have an ADV or lower game mode or just be prepared to become a "coulda been" failure on the scale of MAG and Brink. I don't know if you've noticed lately, but public matches are more difficult than the Faction Warfare matches now. If you are looking for "easier mode" go play faction warfare. Public matches are no longer the easy mode.
steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2184	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:23:00 - [14] - Quote Odd iv being winning most my pub matches lately and i solo??? Maybe ur juat as bad as your bluedots?? Would be the first leet player who acts like the team revoloves round him rather blending in "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 151	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:31:00 - [15] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Ya know CCP, I've been telling you this since the beta, but you just don't ******* get it do you? They are not out of beta - that's a CCP lie. That is why they can't keep a player base maybe? EVE and Dust are still not connected to the level they promised. So how can it not be beta if we are still testing new stuff and getting respecs just like Beta. The patches are still not upgrading the game.. just game mechanics. A finished games updates updates game mechanics and also develops the storyline of the game. The storyline is not updating because we are still just building game mechanics like a BETA.
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 104	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:33:00 - [16] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms. This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time. Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better. /thread Teams mean nothing most of the time it's who can spam more or have better gear..
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 662	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:11:00 - [17] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: If you actually know what you're doing you can capture a single point and hold it alone. :/ Unless there's a full proto team on the other end, then that's just diddly-winks. You can't blame others for failing to do what you failed to do, cause that's hypocrisy. Also what is hypocritical is to say that all blue dots are morons. Yet YOU are a blue dot, claiming intelligence of others, thereby invalidating your statement of competency with your own statement of ignorance. :/ See how it kind of loops on itself there? Hey bro. Yes you. You do realize that the op was in PFBHz right? Perhaps you have heard of that corp. While it may no longer be around, most folks that have been here a long time have heard of that corp. Know your dust history before you jack your jaw.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2710	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:16:00 - [18] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: 5) The only EvE they are familiar with is "Summer's" Laughter explosion Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2711	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:22:00 - [19] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms. This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time. Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better. /thread Excuse me but the OP made some points that are valid. Squad Finder is not the medicine for all. I run solo and join squads. I love to run solo to enhance my skills and to also join in random squads. The sad truth is, I'm leaving matches in the first minute because it seems that some of these blue dots out here just don't have it in them. If they aren't winning, they will give up and run for the hills. That's after the objective has been taken back for the first time! I could go on and on. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:37:00 - [20] - Quote BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17. It is impossible to have a negative kdr. In your example, 1/17 = 1 divided by 17 = 0.0588235294117647 repeated which can never be negative. In the very least aspect, kdr can be 0, but nothing less than that. also, LOL'd I think you need to learn about "ratios" and how the term "negative" applies to them.

Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 248	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:39:00 - [21] - Quote I am CptKirby and I agree with this thread. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:41:00 - [22] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: do you feel better now? I've had bad games, and lord knows I've had massively incompetent blueberrys, and I've had matches where I've been the massively incompetent blueberry. nothing goes right and I die a lot. so it goes. channel the anger into something constructive, not this crap. I had a thread in the rookie training grounds about dropship etiquette. it was mildly successful and I think one of the cool mercs who lead a training corp ended up sending it out to all the new bros in his corp. when I typed it I was livid, I was an atom bomb in a volcano about to explode. but rather than calling everyone around me an idiot as I was so, so inclined to do I assumed that they simply didn't know better. I have no idea how many people read it or if any of them listened, but if one, only one person listened it was a success. I still regard that thread as one of my favorite forum posts. I read it, it helped me not be one of those dumb blueberries. I am not stupid, I was ignorant. That is fixable.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1004	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:42:00 - [23] - Quote AP Grasshopper wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Did someone join Spambush? You should know better by now that nyan San/chan go there to pad their kdr Skirmish with some DOM mixed in. 5 hours...maybe 5 or 6 wins. It was like every time I was on the side that didn't have the 4-6 tryhards. Some games I had no choice after loosing two or three tanks to hot tank on tank on tank on tank action reducing my Gunnlogi's and Madrugar's to so much scrap...I just grabbed a free suit and AFK farmed while surfing the net. After I while I even quit being mad....I was simply amazed. Maybe your 1/16th of the problem Oooooooppooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! SNAP! {:)}{3GÇó>
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4165	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:46:00 - [24] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms. This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time. Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better. /thread Then why the ** would CCP let anyone join games solo in the first place? ***** dumbass.....the problem isn't as much that people don't use "teamwork", it's mostly the lolAcademy and matchmaking. Couple that with the fact that noobs have no idea what does what, and they will quit in less than an hour. Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:48:00 - [25] - Quote I feel your pain and share your frustration BUT you kind of lost me with the blaming of all the other blueberries. That's your team and they aren't trying to suck just to **** you off.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4165	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:49:00 - [26] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: do you feel better now? I've had bad games, and lord knows I've had massively incompetent blueberrys, and I've had matches where I've been the massively incompetent blueberry. nothing goes right and I die a lot. so it goes. channel the anger into something constructive, not this crap. I had a thread in the rookie training grounds about dropship etiquette. it was mildly successful and I think one of the cool mercs who lead a training corp ended up sending it out to all the new bros in his corp. when I typed it I was livid, I was an atom bomb in a volcano about to explode. but rather than calling everyone around me an idiot as I was so, so inclined to do I assumed that they simply didn't know better. I have no idea how many people read it or if any of them listened, but if one, only one person listened it was a success. I still regard that thread as one of my favorite forum posts. Most of the noobs in this game are idiots. Half of what they need to know is just common FPS knowledge. In what game will shooting a tank or flying vehicle do any damage? In what game will shooting friendlies help you in any way? Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 100	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:54:00 - [27] - Quote BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17. It is impossible to have a negative kdr. In your example, 1/17 = 1 divided by 17 = 0.0588235294117647 repeated which can never be negative. In the very least aspect, kdr can be 0, but nothing less than that. also, LOL'd Now I have to test it... I'm gonna make an alt, and not shoot anyone. Ever.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1218	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:55:00 - [28] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: knight of 6 wrote: do you feel better now? I've had bad games, and lord knows I've had massively incompetent blueberrys, and I've had matches where I've been the massively incompetent blueberry. nothing goes right and I die a lot. so it goes. channel the anger into something constructive, not this crap. I had a thread in the rookie training grounds about dropship etiquette. it was mildly successful and I think one of the cool mercs who lead a training corp ended up sending it out to all the new bros in his corp. when I typed it I was livid, I was an atom bomb in a volcano about to explode. but rather than calling everyone around me an idiot as I was so, so inclined to do I assumed that they simply didn't know better. I have no idea how many people read it or if any of them listened, but if one, only one person listened it was a success. I still regard that thread as one of my favorite forum posts. I read it, it helped me not be one of those dumb blueberries. I am not stupid, I was ignorant. That is fixable. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Espartoi Zero-Day Attack Zero-Day 7	Posted - 2014.01.23 02:02:00 - [29] - Quote The complete post has no sense is just whining. If the day matches sucks or you just have a bad luck stop playing take a rest and do something more productive.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 215	Posted - 2014.01.23 02:11:00 - [30] - Quote BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17. It is impossible to have a negative kdr. In your example, 1/17 = 1 divided by 17 = 0.0588235294117647 repeated which can never be negative. In the very least aspect, kdr can be 0, but nothing less than that. also, LOL'd Net change, smartass.

Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 972	Posted - 2014.01.23 02:23:00 - [31] - Quote Who ** in your coffee and took a ** on your bagel? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Sergeant Sazu Snow Pirates 1	Posted - 2014.01.23 02:44:00 - [32] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: In what game will shooting a tank or flying vehicle do any damage? In what game will shooting friendlies help you in any way? Lost Planet 2. A third-person shooter where any weapon can hurt anything, and vehicles can't be repaired unless you exit them and do it yourself. Also, there's a gun that you shoot your allies with to heal/give powerups to. I don't mean to be a smart-aleck, but I wanted to say something. :) On-topic, I agree with the original post about battles being far too easily dominated with team play. Not exaggerating, 70% of the time I'm put on the opposite team of the full squad of members from one of the top 10 corporations. I don't know if I'm really unlucky, or it's based off lifetime SP or WP which team I'm put on, because I know 10 million SP is somewhat up there. Although in these situations, I worsen the problem by not using my best suits in fear of losing them. (I'm quite poor) This is something that can only be fixed by the losing team trying as hard as they can, but it just doesn't happen or can't happen, due to the trend of spawncamping with many HAVs/Prototype suits.
BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 320	Posted - 2014.01.23 02:46:00 - [33] - Quote Never in all of my years as a gamer have I belonged to a message board that seems to be so intelligent yet *REPEATEDLY MISSES THE *** POINT. It's not about me, or how horrible I did (and trust me there were some pretty horrible games). I chose not to run proto gear all the time and when I find myself facing the uber groups I drop my gear down a notch further and go where ever they aren't or try to support the team by dropping uplinks (which they never have) and wait for a random blue dot to run into an objective to help him out. Invariably the proto team still finds me....why? I'm the only one trying and quite often I'm the last man standing. But that's my choice and one I make knowingly. But again, the ENTIRE **** POST IS NOT ABOUT ME. GOD....just how *** **** and mentally deficient are you fuckstains? IT'S ABOUT THE BLUE DOTS. They're idiots, they suck, we all know this...but that wasn't the point I was making. The point is that the game HAS TO ACCOUNT FOR IT. It currently DOES NOT. All FPS games, and most games in general, count on the knuckle dragging, mouth breathing brand of douchebags called the casual gamer to fill their ranks. BF, COD, all of them. If you make the game so they cannot even feel the slightest bit effective they simply will not play the game. As much as I openly detest them, we need them. Need them buying boosters and starterpacks etc in order for the game to maintain it's longevity. As soon as they figure out it's about gear spam and pay to win, they'll either go the RND route or they'll drop the game completely. Non-proto gear rooms, however it can be done, need to be made available for ISK. Maybe even at a reduced rate. If the point of the game is not to have fun, but to grind the out of the player base, there won't be a playerbase because PSN FPS players don't usually enjoy the grind. It's game. You're supposed to enjoy it. Doesn't mean it needs to be EZ Mode (KRR cough cough). But it means that there has to be some sense of "I have a chance!" Currently there is none for these guys. And to the jack ass that keeps harping on "there is no such thing as a negative KDR"...you're not smarter than everybody, you're just a snarky little ** with a keyboard. STFU and GTFO. They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
RED FARM GOOD OL' B0YS 57	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:20:00 - [34] - Quote Some people will say F this and give up and others will stick it out. I do not run proto nor do I even have them skilld up and if you play smart and not rush in you can survive and win. However, random blueberies are just that random. If I stick with just one other person that can fire while I reload I can hold an objective against most squads. If you rush in you die. Most are used to COD style where you respawn and it is no biggie. If you have less kills than deaths you are doing something wrong. Play smart. If you do not have the advantage...withdraw a little. If you get redlined, LAV etc. Any random berry is welcome in our public chat. Type LFS i.e. looking for squad and people will queue up with you. Good luck. Public Chat: GOOD OL' B0YS Please note the word B0YS has a zero in it.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1114	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:26:00 - [35] - Quote op hasn't been watching the eve offline charts, now has he? dust has had a growing playerbase for the last two updates, and hit it's 3 month peak just recently. in fact, with 100 more concurrent player's we'll pass our 6 month peak. so... fail thread.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1114	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:28:00 - [36] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Never in all of my years as a gamer have I belonged to a message board that seems to be so intelligent yet *REPEATEDLY MISSES THE *** POINT. It's not about me, or how horrible I did (and trust me there were some pretty horrible games). I chose not to run proto gear all the time and when I find myself facing the uber groups I drop my gear down a notch further and go where ever they aren't or try to support the team by dropping uplinks (which they never have) and wait for a random blue dot to run into an objective to help him out. Invariably the proto team still finds me....why? I'm the only one trying and quite often I'm the last man standing. But that's my choice and one I make knowingly. But again, the ENTIRE **** POST IS NOT ABOUT ME. GOD....just how *** **** and mentally deficient are you fuckstains? IT'S ABOUT THE BLUE DOTS. They're idiots, they suck, we all know this...but that wasn't the point I was making. The point is that the game HAS TO ACCOUNT FOR IT. It currently DOES NOT. All FPS games, and most games in general, count on the knuckle dragging, mouth breathing brand of douchebags called the casual gamer to fill their ranks. BF, COD, all of them. If you make the game so they cannot even feel the slightest bit effective they simply will not play the game. As much as I openly detest them, we need them. Need them buying boosters and starterpacks etc in order for the game to maintain it's longevity. As soon as they figure out it's about gear spam and pay to win, they'll either go the RND route or they'll drop the game completely. Non-proto gear rooms, however it can be done, need to be made available for ISK. Maybe even at a reduced rate. If the point of the game is not to have fun, but to grind the out of the player base, there won't be a playerbase because PSN FPS players don't usually enjoy the grind. It's game. You're supposed to enjoy it. Doesn't mean it needs to be EZ Mode (KRR cough cough). But it means that there has to be some sense of "I have a chance!" Currently there is none for these guys. And to the jack ass that keeps harping on "there is no such thing as a negative KDR"...you're not smarter than everybody, you're just a snarky little ** with a keyboard. STFU and GTFO. problem is ccp thinks going the Dark Souls route will work for a free shooter like dust?? nope ! newbs hit delete after a few matches. newbs game mode: 10 if player corp tag=Y then join matches =N 20 if player corp tag=Y and six tags=Y then join matches =N 30 if player corp tag NPC=Y then join matches =Y 40 if player tag on leaderboards then join matches =N 50 if player tag =KDR ^2 then join matches =N 60 if player tag =KDR below 2 then join matches =Y 70 if player tag =kills above 200 in weekly then join matches =N Basic computer programming language Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 322	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:45:00 - [37] - Quote low genius wrote: op hasn't been watching the eve offline charts, now has he? dust has had a growing playerbase for the last two updates, and hit it's 3 month peak just recently. in fact, with 100 more concurrent player's we'll pass our 6 month peak. so... fail thread. I'm sorry, are you referring to this link here which shows a steady decrease in activity since the last year? You're talking about 100 more concurrent players when we're picking up 500ish a week....think about this for just one moment.... 500 players a week...new...max online in the last 24 hours...4200ish. Yet this game picks up HALF that amount in a week as new guys. Or in other words...4000 new players join every 2 months....and still can't sustain over 5K at peak playing times. That's what you call a fail, not this post. Stop reading the press and read the damn numbers. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
Numinacer KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 9	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:53:00 - [38] - Quote I kinda feel bad because I'm one of those proto stompers. Earlier today me and alliance mates were dominating in a skirm. Dropping four orbitals just in our squad and me going 38/5. Enemy score average 1/15. Though it is alot of fun to proto stomp, I agree with you. I would prefer to have more of a challenge as a PC hardcore gamer. Rather than scare away the new guys and have no playerbase. CCP just make a noob game mode.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 633	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:23:00 - [39] - Quote Wednesdays are always terrible in Ambush. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 114	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:26:00 - [40] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: knight of 6 wrote: do you feel better now? I've had bad games, and lord knows I've had massively incompetent blueberrys, and I've had matches where I've been the massively incompetent blueberry. nothing goes right and I die a lot. so it goes. channel the anger into something constructive, not this crap. I had a thread in the rookie training grounds about dropship etiquette. it was mildly successful and I think one of the cool mercs who lead a training corp ended up sending it out to all the new bros in his corp. when I typed it I was livid, I was an atom bomb in a volcano about to explode. but rather than calling everyone around me an idiot as I was so, so inclined to do I assumed that they simply didn't know better. I have no idea how many people read it or if any of them listened, but if one, only one person listened it was a success. I still regard that thread as one of my favorite forum posts. Most of the noobs in this game are idiots. Half of what they need to know is just common FPS knowledge. In what game will shooting a tank or flying vehicle do any damage? In what game will shooting friendlies help you in any way? Patrick, your posts often make me laugh because of how true they are, so I enjoy reading them; they're also sensible. I cannot believe how stupid some noobs are in some matches I was in today. They did exactly like you said. I was driving around in a rail Sica on AV patrol and several of them surrounded me and were all shooting at me with ARs and SMGs, so I hopped out and gunned them down with my ScR. Was in FW too this morning with a squad and absolutely no other blueberry on the team outside of our guys deployed any drop uplinks and 1/4 of them only stayed around Charlie and died to Madrugar blasters so we got cloned. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San

Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2729	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:27:00 - [41] - Quote Demon's Souls difficulty used to be in all games before the gaming community cried about it. Hell, even when video games first started making waves, those games would cheat you. That's why you see button icons throughout a campaign (hold X to open) because of the whiners. Gamers are just finicky and when they don't get their way or get a pat on their backs even when they lost, they get upset. It's a shame really. Gamers affect the game more than they realize but no one wants to talk about that. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 363	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:53:00 - [42] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Gamers affect the game more than they realize but no one wants to talk about that. Nobody wants to be reminded of their own inability. Call of Duty is one of the most casual game series that isnt Bejeweled, but somehow people playing it feel they-¦re hardcore to the max. Nobody who thinks they-¦re hardcore to the max likes losing, so "tapping L1+R1 to feel accomplished" became a thing. Now that L1+R1 auto aim cancer arrived in DUST, and they still suck major ass at the game, they start to realize that they-¦re maybe, just maybe, not as harcore as they think. So they leave to feel hardcore again. Those who are still here have a casual aftertaste in their mouth. Nobody wins, CCP loses.
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homosapiens 191	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:57:00 - [43] - Quote Apparently, no one understands the concept of negative ratios in this thread. Firstly, as stated prior, kdr can never be negative. when comparing the two variables, both are always positve, therefore their quotient will always be positive. Secondly, mathematically speaking, kills and deaths are not "opposites" of each other. Suppose you have killed 7 players. Does dying 2 times mean you killed 5 people in total? no. The opposite of killing is to revive an enemy teammate. One can only achieve a negative kdr if there were some way to revive enemy teammates. In which case, the ratio would be, for every 3 kills, you revived 4 enemies. In this case, the ratio can be negative. Thirdly, as someone pointed out, kdr is being refered to as the "net change", as in the total resulting change. In which case, we would be looking at the difference. Kills - Death. In this case, the value can be negative, however, this is not a ratio, but rather the difference. If you wanted to refer to kills versus deaths as negative, please refer to it as a kdd - kill death difference. As a mathematician and teacher, i take great offense to the misuse of the term "ratio". Please use the appropriate terminology. Also, lol'd
Dkafamos Comando Brasil 41	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:58:00 - [44] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Never in all of my years as a gamer have I belonged to a message board that seems to be so intelligent yet *REPEATEDLY MISSES THE *** POINT. It's not about me, or how horrible I did (and trust me there were some pretty horrible games). I chose not to run proto gear all the time and when I find myself facing the uber groups I drop my gear down a notch further and go where ever they aren't or try to support the team by dropping uplinks (which they never have) and wait for a random blue dot to run into an objective to help him out. Invariably the proto team still finds me....why? I'm the only one trying and quite often I'm the last man standing. But that's my choice and one I make knowingly. But again, the ENTIRE **** POST IS NOT ABOUT ME. GOD....just how *** **** and mentally deficient are you fuckstains? IT'S ABOUT THE BLUE DOTS. They're idiots, they suck, we all know this...but that wasn't the point I was making. The point is that the game HAS TO ACCOUNT FOR IT. It currently DOES NOT. All FPS games, and most games in general, count on the knuckle dragging, mouth breathing brand of douchebags called the casual gamer to fill their ranks. BF, COD, all of them. If you make the game so they cannot even feel the slightest bit effective they simply will not play the game. As much as I openly detest them, we need them. Need them buying boosters and starterpacks etc in order for the game to maintain it's longevity. As soon as they figure out it's about gear spam and pay to win, they'll either go the RND route or they'll drop the game completely. Non-proto gear rooms, however it can be done, need to be made available for ISK. Maybe even at a reduced rate. If the point of the game is not to have fun, but to grind the out of the player base, there won't be a playerbase because PSN FPS players don't usually enjoy the grind. It's game. You're supposed to enjoy it. Doesn't mean it needs to be EZ Mode (KRR cough cough). But it means that there has to be some sense of "I have a chance!" Currently there is none for these guys. And to the jack ass that keeps harping on "there is no such thing as a negative KDR"...you're not smarter than everybody, you're just a snarky little with a keyboard. STFU and GTFO. Give up. CCP Devs are stupid enough to NOT understand such a simple concept in a MMOFPS. This, compared to Planetside 2, is hell (and I though PS2 was a little unbalanced, it's the most balanced thing compared to this). The lag is horrendous, the FPS drop a lot, Proto gear stomping *** who are abusing a system who is favouring them, clearly. CCP, THE VETERANS! They don't need more help. New players do. The veterans are your costumers, the new guys are your potential costumers. If you don't catter the new ones, with decent NPE, War Academy, PVE and such, they won't stick long. And We know your DUST dev money is drying, and you won't be able to make the jump for the PS4 this way. You are shitting on new players who are trying to enjoy the game. I'm a little more persistent than the average joe, but I WAS going to spend money to buy AUR, and then I though: "Why the spend money in a game that is so blalantly unbalanced?" I played for 3 hours now. 3 *** HOURS! Got stomped 80% of the time (part on what the OP said, part on your ** ups). I don't like being a WP pi+¦ata. I am NOT going to spend a dime on this thing, specially now if AUR weapons are stronger due to Aim Assist thing. You aren't cattering your potential costumer by doing this, you are cattering veterans. Newer players need to understand the game. They don't simply by playing it. They don't have fun when being instagibber to hell thanks to something they don't understand why. They need a better enviroment to understand all the basic, and you aren't providing it, mostly because the cannon fodder then wouldn't exist for you paying costumers (that, against, dwindled because of your inaction). There is no incentive for me to pay this, not even to get better.
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 161	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:03:00 - [45] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Ya know CCP, I've been telling you this since the beta, but you just don't ******* get it do you? If you let 6 proto gods, two of whom are in tanks, join into a pub room with nothing but soloing randoms on the other side it's going to be a redline fest every damned time. There's a couple of things that have to be taken as fact regarding most PSN FPS players: 1) They are completely inept. No...really. A sorrier lot of worthless douchebags cannot be found under a collective banner. Think of the dumbest blue dot you've ever seen and then figure that there are others even dumber than that. 2) They don't have mics 3) They don't go to message boards 4) The vast majority of them don't know what PC is, and even if they did they have no desire to partake in it since they aren't hardcore gamers. 5) The only EvE they are familiar with is "Summer's" 6) The ones that are from EvE are some of the worst blue dots out there. 7) They can't find even the most simple of objectives. I know this because I've spent all day waiting for them to come along with me to an objective only to watch them meander off in the opposite direction at the point of no return and get slaughtered by guys in ADV gear after they've torn me apart on the button. Man. Reading that was like reading "Logi Stician: The Unauthorized Biography, by BattleCry1791, forward by Don Rickles". "...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
Rusty Shallows 878	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:04:00 - [46] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Did someone join Spambush? You should know better by now that nyan San/chan go there to pad their kdr Skirmish with some DOM mixed in. 5 hours...maybe 5 or 6 wins. It was like every time I was on the side that didn't have the 4-6 tryhards. Some games I had no choice after loosing two or three tanks to hot tank on tank on tank on tank action reducing my Gunnlogi's and Madrugar's to so much scrap...I just grabbed a free suit and AFK farmed while surfing the net. After I while I even quit being mad....I was simply amazed. Actually you did adapt, correctly too. With regards to the first post I remember in closed beta when we were feeling trapped with our four man squads and one game option. It was funny seeing some people without any shame asking for Corp deployment against randoms with the excuse being, "if you don't want to be stomped then join a corp and stomp." As if a randomized match system was an excuse. To this day it still baffles me CCP created loopholes and let this into Pubs. Mystifying even. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 433	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:17:00 - [47] - Quote This game is a steep uphill battle. WHICH IS WHY I WON'T LEAVE.ADAPT OR DIE. The matchmaking could use a rework so your point is valid there. I run solo in pubs a lot and I go in there knowing I'm going to get several colors of the **** kicked out of me BUT I DON'T CARE. I have fun, blow some stuff up, shoot some people, rinse and repeat. Plus the GEK whips all kinds of ass. Don't look him in the eye, WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!!!
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 171	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:17:00 - [48] - Quote I love how everyone thinks we dont squad up and that we are qqin. Seriously, they fail to see the common player that domes to this game, the newberries, the people necessary or this game to survive. And the more and more and more I read the general consensus of the major it forum going player base, the more and more I hopethis game fails. If the servers shutdown tmrrow, iI would be sad, but you know what? Its what these dicks deserve. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 12 page Debate
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 434	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:27:00 - [49] - Quote Minus the adapt or die part cause ya did, and theres nothing wrong with QQjng. And you're gonna get killed ALOT before you get better so you have a right to be a little more then pissed. Don't look him in the eye, WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!!!
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 634	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:36:00 - [50] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Actually you did adapt, correctly too. With regards to the first post I remember in closed beta when we were feeling trapped with our four man squads and one game option. It was funny seeing some people without any shame asking for Corp deployment against randoms with the excuse being, "if you don't want to be stomped then join a corp and stomp." As if a randomized match system was an excuse. To this day it still baffles me CCP created loopholes and let this into Pubs. Mystifying even. 3-man squad limit in pub matches plox. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace

Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 162	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:39:00 - [51] - Quote devonus durga wrote: I love how everyone thinks we dont squad up and that we are qqin. Seriously, they fail to see the common player that domes to this game, the newberries, the people necessary or this game to survive. And the more and more and more I read the general consensus of the major it forum going player base, the more and more I hopethis game fails. If the servers shutdown tmrrow, iI would be sad, but you know what? Its what these dicks deserve. I was a newberry once. I didn't even know what eve was when I got the ps3 with a booster pack of gear in it for Father's Day last year. Just kind of fired it up, made a toon and went to town. I don't really play the CoDs and what not and I'm a HUGE fan of the borderlands games. When I saw the mind blowingly complex looking skill tree, I put points where they didn't need to go. Logi Stician is my second character. I googled up the Dust forums, found out how to properly spec into a role, join a corp, get comms, tactics and what have you and the game became a great deal of fun. Even through injectors missing targets, cal logi slayers, flaylol spam, having nothing but bpos forever, I still had fun running with my corp mates. It can get discouraging getting pubstomped by very skilled players, but when that happens, on goes the bpo suit and I get to practice flanking, taking cover, shooting and aiming straighter, and making better logi decisions. I will go solo in doms and tankbushes every so often and do somewhere between good and horrible, but I do so at my own risk. I know what I'm getting into. Like many, many people who play this game I would love a more refined match making system, but for now, it is what it is, and in my opinion its pretty darn fun. I'm sorry that you hope the game fails. "...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2730	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:56:00 - [52] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Gamers affect the game more than they realize but no one wants to talk about that. Nobody wants to be reminded of their own inability. Excluding exceptions, people who don't want to be reminded of that are usually the ones who had people lying to them all their lives or catering to them. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
sira draco Ancient Erectiles 42	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:00:00 - [53] - Quote I agree, couldnt have said it better myself, this game is no longer fun
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 172	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:18:00 - [54] - Quote Logi Stician wrote: devonus durga wrote: I love how everyone thinks we dont squad up and that we are qqin. Seriously, they fail to see the common player that domes to this game, the newberries, the people necessary or this game to survive. And the more and more and more I read the general consensus of the major it forum going player base, the more and more I hopethis game fails. If the servers shutdown tmrrow, iI would be sad, but you know what? Its what these dicks deserve. I was a newberry once. I didn't even know what eve was when I got the ps3 with a booster pack of gear in it for Father's Day last year. Just kind of fired it up, made a toon and went to town. I don't really play the CoDs and what not and I'm a HUGE fan of the borderlands games. When I saw the mind blowingly complex looking skill tree, I put points where they didn't need to go. Logi Stician is my second character. I googled up the Dust forums, found out how to properly spec into a role, join a corp, get comms, tactics and what have you and the game became a great deal of fun. Even through injectors missing targets, cal logi slayers, flaylol spam, having nothing but bpos forever, I still had fun running with my corp mates. It can get discouraging getting pubstomped by very skilled players, but when that happens, on goes the bpo suit and I get to practice flanking, taking cover, shooting and aiming straighter, and making better logi decisions. I will go solo in doms and tankbushes every so often and do somewhere between good and horrible, but I do so at my own risk. I know what I'm getting into. Like many, many people who play this game I would love a more refined match making system, but for now, it is what it is, and in my opinion its pretty darn fun. I'm sorry that you hope the game fails. I love the game, its player base, sucks (as a majority, not a whole) Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 12 page Debate
BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 335	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:55:00 - [55] - Quote Logi Stician wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Ya know CCP, I've been telling you this since the beta, but you just don't ******* get it do you? If you let 6 proto gods, two of whom are in tanks, join into a pub room with nothing but soloing randoms on the other side it's going to be a redline fest every damned time. There's a couple of things that have to be taken as fact regarding most PSN FPS players: 1) They are completely inept. No...really. A sorrier lot of worthless douchebags cannot be found under a collective banner. Think of the dumbest blue dot you've ever seen and then figure that there are others even dumber than that. 2) They don't have mics 3) They don't go to message boards 4) The vast majority of them don't know what PC is, and even if they did they have no desire to partake in it since they aren't hardcore gamers. 5) The only EvE they are familiar with is "Summer's" 6) The ones that are from EvE are some of the worst blue dots out there. 7) They can't find even the most simple of objectives. I know this because I've spent all day waiting for them to come along with me to an objective only to watch them meander off in the opposite direction at the point of no return and get slaughtered by guys in ADV gear after they've torn me apart on the button. Man. Reading that was like reading "Logi Stician: The Unauthorized Biography, by BattleCry1791, forward by Don Rickles". You compared my work to that of Don Rickles? I......I....I must love you forever and ever now. They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 383	Posted - 2014.01.23 08:05:00 - [56] - Quote BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17. It is impossible to have a negative kdr. In your example, 1/17 = 1 divided by 17 = 0.0588235294117647 repeated which can never be negative. In the very least aspect, kdr can be 0, but nothing less than that. also, LOL'd "going negative" refers to the K-D spread, not KDR. K-D spread is literally Kills - Deaths = K-D spread, or your contribution to the clone out. Someone who goes 1/17 has a -16 k-d spread. They went negative. I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2740	Posted - 2014.01.23 08:10:00 - [57] - Quote I never want to be that guy on the killboard with 18 deaths. Feels as if a spotlight is on me. "What were you doing wrong that brought you 18 deaths???" "I-I-I...I was trying!" Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1090	Posted - 2014.01.23 08:11:00 - [58] - Quote You lost me at the list of insults. None of that is true. The real reason? Beer. And, not giving that big of a sh*t about this game. Why do the work when you little 16 year old hardcore tryhards got it all covered? Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 335	Posted - 2014.01.23 08:36:00 - [59] - Quote Arirana wrote: BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17. It is impossible to have a negative kdr. In your example, 1/17 = 1 divided by 17 = 0.0588235294117647 repeated which can never be negative. In the very least aspect, kdr can be 0, but nothing less than that. also, LOL'd "going negative" refers to the K-D spread, not KDR. K-D spread is literally Kills - Deaths = K-D spread, or your contribution to the clone out. Someone who goes 1/17 has a -16 k-d spread. They went negative. For the love of all things... Allow me to settle this debate: K/D is seen as W/L in sports. If you are sub .500 with your W/L you are considered as having a losing season. Thus, a negative W/L ratio. This is then applied to K/D as well....every Kill is seen as a Win, and every Death is seen as a loss. Thus a 1 to 1 ratio is seen as hitting .500, even though it is technically 1.00 This is how KDR came to be...it was based off of Sports analogies do to the competitive nature of FPS. It has nothing to d with math and every thing to do with context. Got it? Good. They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1076	Posted - 2014.01.23 09:10:00 - [60] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Ya know CCP, I've been telling you this since the beta, but you just don't ***** get it do you? They are not out of beta - that's a CCP lie. That is why they can't keep a player base maybe? EVE and Dust are still not connected to the level they promised. So how can it not be beta if we are still testing new stuff and getting respecs just like Beta. The patches are still not upgrading the game.. just game mechanics. A finished games updates updates game mechanics and also develops the storyline of the game. The storyline is not updating because we are still just building game mechanics like a BETA. this, but dust is not even not out of alpha, that is why they cant keep playerbase. beta in development is when all basic content is availabe and ready for testing. alot of cool stuff was advertised for dust when it this game was announced LONG TIME AGO but it is still not done yet and it is almost too late... players are starting to get impatient and leaving, if it takes too much time for the devs to sort it out this game will die. again, beta in development is when all basic content is availabe and ready for testing, basic content is in the eye of the beholder, maybe CCP defined basic content as "p2w lobby shooter to get some money of stupid kids". if it is like that, well congratulations CCP on making a ** game that nets you some money but for me basic content in dust is: -player market connected with eve online -all basic racial weapons and suits -functional objective based gameplay -nonretarded core mechanics only 1 and a half of those 4 points are currently fullfilled, the objective based gameplay can be argued as functional and some gameplay mechanics work good but alot of stuff still needs a look at like tanks ths it counts as half. in short this game is still in alpha phase.

Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 593	Posted - 2014.01.23 09:41:00 - [61] - Quote I'd say your post is spot on and sums it up well. I'm pretty sure CCP know there is an issue with the NPE, and I've always maintained that they have to work it from two angles 1) Flesh out a mature, balanced and enjoyable multiplayer experience 2) Provide an interesting, structured single-player experience As you can see, the number 1 is well on it's way, although they have balance issues and number 2 is nowhere to be found. Until they introduce some PvE elements, there will poor player retention. This is of course, a race against time too - the game is free to play, so once you've played it and "ditched" it - you don't really come back, unless it's a year or two later just to "check it out". But of course, in a year or two, PS3 will definitely be a "last-gen" platform - technically it is already - current gen is now PS4, not a console released in 2006. Lets just hope that urgency translates into action somewhere down the line.
BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 339	Posted - 2014.01.23 10:46:00 - [62] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: I'd say your post is spot on and sums it up well. I'm pretty sure CCP know there is an issue with the NPE, and I've always maintained that they have to work it from two angles 1) Flesh out a mature, balanced and enjoyable multiplayer experience 2) Provide an interesting, structured single-player experience As you can see, the number 1 is well on it's way, although they have balance issues and number 2 is nowhere to be found. Until they introduce some PvE elements, there will poor player retention. This is of course, a race against time too - the game is free to play, so once you've played it and "ditched" it - you don't really come back, unless it's a year or two later just to "check it out". But of course, in a year or two, PS3 will definitely be a "last-gen" platform - technically it is already - current gen is now PS4, not a console released in 2006. Lets just hope that urgency translates into action somewhere down the line. I'm not really seeing the "race against time" from CCP. In fact far from it. They release a new thing, wait a while, flesh it out, nerf three other things, then throw some boosters on sale. What they should be doing is go hell bent for leather to release all of the content.; dropsuits, ships, tanks, guns; installations etc. Just get it out there. Yes it's going to break balance. But who cares, the game is imbalanced as it is. Let it run for a month or two, do a re calibration, nerf, buff, and tweak as they think best fit, give that two weeks, respec everyone, and call the game complete. After that start working on PVE. Let's just rip the band aid off instead of doing this stuff piece meal. Go back to an "alpha state" for the devs and start unloading new material. And boosters on sale. They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 339	Posted - 2014.01.23 10:59:00 - [63] - Quote Numinacer wrote: I kinda feel bad because I'm one of those proto stompers. Earlier today me and alliance mates were dominating in a skirm. Dropping four orbitals just in our squad and me going 38/5. Enemy score average 1/15. Though it is alot of fun to proto stomp, I agree with you. I would prefer to have more of a challenge as a PC hardcore gamer. Rather than scare away the new guys and have no playerbase. CCP just make a noob game mode. Almost forgot to respond to this... Don't feel bad. You're not cheating or glitching or even exploiting. This is how CCP designed the game. It's their screw up, let them take the heat. The best FPS experiences I've had are in close games...public, CB,s whatever...those are always the most fun. MAG Beta, I was on the Valor team that actually beat SVER's Domination map...for the ONLY time during the beta....beat em with like a minute to go or so...absolutely exhilarating. That's the kind of gaming I'm looking for. In this unbalanced crapheap we call DUST...it's just as absent as it is from COD/BF. They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
Korvin Lomont 497	Posted - 2014.01.23 11:22:00 - [64] - Quote sira draco wrote: I agree, couldnt have said it better myself, this game is no longer fun Well I would not be so harsh there is still this one battle (out of 20 or so) wher scotty decides to make a balanced game. Where the battle goes backward and forward and both team fight on an equal level. And man those battles are fun but unfortunately they are soo rare. Scotty seems to be paid by corps as he always try to stack squad on one sides on randoms on the other side :/
Kim Jong Kim Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 14	Posted - 2014.01.23 12:22:00 - [65] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: 4) The vast majority of them don't know what PC is, and even if they did they have no desire to partake in it since they aren't hardcore gamers. I cried a littile.
Duke Noobiam Da Short Buss Driving School 2	Posted - 2014.01.23 13:32:00 - [66] - Quote Sometimes your the windshield, sometimes your the bug. Players who roll alone in PUB (I do most of the time) end up being the bug more than the windshield. I've made peace with this, but I'm sure many players will have a hard time accepting this. When the red river runs, take the dirt road.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 262	Posted - 2014.01.23 13:52:00 - [67] - Quote Honestly Dust pub matches turned into a battle of who has more ISK and SP on their team. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't on the prevailing side of that spectrum the majority of the time. I usually run in full squads of 6, majority in proto, and rarely get matched against equivalent squads/teams. The sad part about it is that I know there are other squads out there doing the same thing at the same time. Why aren't we fighting each other while the blueberries with no squads are fighting each other in a different match? I'd rather some heathy pub match competition than a blatant red line stomping. Red line stomping is boring no matter which side of it you are on, IMO.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 13	Posted - 2014.01.23 14:26:00 - [68] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms. This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time. Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better. /thread Then why can you join game solo if its not intended to do so ? Its in the design to go solo get a squad in game, else it would be mandatory squad to enter the game. The player base is not large enough for scotty to balance things off. CCP is in a catch 22 they Should fix the core game play for 90 percent of players instead of adding unbalanced content and creating FOTM. The thanks where all but balanced. They added the ADS back at the last time because of the cry babies. Its always the 10% douchebags of dust that gets a voice. You know what they should set up a simple question and answer board where we can up vote features democratically. Thats what i do with my own indy game and it works flawlessly btw !
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 903	Posted - 2014.01.23 15:00:00 - [69] - Quote People who graduate the academy don't even learn what hacking is in majority... Let alone, Nanohives, Uplinks, Maps, Tactics... vehicles... AV... This comes down to having no learning curve what so ever.... Here is the kiddie poool for a match or three and then here is the pool full of sharks with friken lasers beams attached to their head, and have a nice day.. Welcome to a F2p game CCP built to get a different gamer market into their universe... Meh
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 636	Posted - 2014.01.23 15:08:00 - [70] - Quote If there was any topic worthy of a dev reply it would be this one. So, devs? HELLO? Tankers are being diagnosed with a new disease; Cancer of the Assault Dropship. Many of them don't survive.

devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 179	Posted - 2014.01.23 15:10:00 - [71] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: If there was any topic worthy of a dev reply it would be this one. So, devs? HELLO? They seem to avoid the more controversial issues, and for good reason. When it comes to hot topics like this, they have to consider and weigh the effect on the community before speaking. Not to mention they can't tip their hand and disclose something their not allowed to make publicly known, for whatever reasons. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 12 page Debate
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 164	Posted - 2014.01.23 15:14:00 - [72] - Quote Bethhy wrote: People who graduate the academy don't even learn what hacking is in majority... Let alone, Nanohives, Uplinks, Maps, Tactics... vehicles... AV... This comes down to having no learning curve what so ever.... Here is the kiddie poool for a match or three and then here is the pool full of sharks with friken lasers beams attached to their head, and have a nice day.. Welcome to a F2p game CCP built to get a different gamer market into their universe... Meh I think the learning curve comes from the Corporations. I got a great deal of my training from the corp mates who had been playing longer than I have. They showed me the ropes. I'm certainly not excusing the developers from making either a better tutorial experience or a more refined integration into the Dust world at large, but I'm going with what I was given. The tutorials aren't there, but Corporations who want more people to play with are, and not using an asset like that in this game is setting oneself up for failure. "...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
Ripley Riley 359	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:15:00 - [73] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: If you make the game so they cannot even feel the slightest bit effective they simply will not play the game. As much as I openly detest them, we need them. No, not really. Eve Online proves that not pandering to the lowest common denominator is a sound business strategy. CCP has a specific, harsh plan for DUST 514. They aren't trying to appeal to casuals necessarily. They welcome them, sure, but they aren't going to change their game design philosophy for them. That starts you down a dark path that leads to cow clickers and Candy Crush Saga. BattleCry1791 wrote: Non-proto gear rooms, however it can be done, need to be made available for ISK. Maybe even at a reduced rate. If the point of the game is not to have fun, but to grind the ** out of the player base, there won't be a playerbase because PSN FPS players don't usually enjoy the grind. PvE would be a nice solution to many of the "problems" you are so passionate about. Hopefully it will get announced around fanfest... but even then, if I know CCP, you will be able to backstab your fellow mercs in PvE. That will lead to more tasty tears hopefully. BattleCry1791 wrote: It's game. You're supposed to enjoy it. Doesn't mean it needs to be EZ Mode (KRR cough cough). But it means that there has to be some sense of "I have a chance!" Currently there is none for these guys. I don't remember which dev said it, but back when I was playing Eve Online a dev replied to a thread about trying to keep casual players playing with, "Maybe our game simply isn't for them " Again, CCP welcomes the casual crowd, but if they find the challenge of DUST too much they are free to move on to greener pastures. BattleCry1791 wrote: And to the jack ass that keeps harping on "there is no such thing as a negative KDR"...you're not smarter than everybody, you're just a snarky little ** with a keyboard. STFU and GTFO. You come across as very hostile, btw. This doesn't lend much to your argument. It actually just makes you look so very butthurt. Don't get me wrong, seeing other people cry about video games brings me great joy, but I just thought you should know "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:22:00 - [74] - Quote low genius wrote: op hasn't been watching the eve offline charts, now has he? dust has had a growing playerbase for the last two updates, and hit it's 3 month peak just recently. in fact, with 100 more concurrent player's we'll pass our 6 month peak. so... fail thread. Not really, the true story is told by the attrition rate, not absolute numbers. If 1000 people try it and 100 continue playing it regularly, then you have 10 percent retention, if 10,000 people try it and 200 people stay, that is a 2 percent retention rate. The first is much better than the second even though it has half the absolute number. There are only so many potential new players. Do you think the OP doesn't have a point that the retention rate is hurt by the matchmaking and pub stomping? My own experience says it is killing it.
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homosapiens 198	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:26:00 - [75] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Arirana wrote: BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17. It is impossible to have a negative kdr. In your example, 1/17 = 1 divided by 17 = 0.0588235294117647 repeated which can never be negative. In the very least aspect, kdr can be 0, but nothing less than that. also, LOL'd "going negative" refers to the K-D spread, not KDR. K-D spread is literally Kills - Deaths = K-D spread, or your contribution to the clone out. Someone who goes 1/17 has a -16 k-d spread. They went negative. For the love of all things... Allow me to settle this debate: K/D is seen as W/L in sports. If you are sub .500 with your W/L you are considered as having a losing season. Thus, a negative W/L ratio. This is then applied to K/D as well....every Kill is seen as a Win, and every Death is seen as a loss. Thus a 1 to 1 ratio is seen as hitting .500, even though it is technically 1.00 This is how KDR came to be...it was based off of Sports analogies do to the competitive nature of FPS. It has nothing to d with math and every thing to do with context. Got it? Good. Getting this buttmad. lol
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:34:00 - [76] - Quote BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote: Apparently, no one understands the concept of negative ratios in this thread. Firstly, as stated prior, kdr can never be negative. when comparing the two variables, both are always positve, therefore their quotient will always be positive. Secondly, mathematically speaking, kills and deaths are not "opposites" of each other. Suppose you have killed 7 players. Does dying 2 times mean you killed 5 people in total? no. The opposite of killing is to revive an enemy teammate. One can only achieve a negative kdr if there were some way to revive enemy teammates. In which case, the ratio would be, for every 3 kills, you revived 4 enemies. In this case, the ratio can be negative. Thirdly, as someone pointed out, kdr is being refered to as the "net change", as in the total resulting change. In which case, we would be looking at the difference. Kills - Death. In this case, the value can be negative, however, this is not a ratio, but rather the difference. If you wanted to refer to kills versus deaths as negative, please refer to it as a kdd - kill death difference. As a mathematician and teacher, i take great offense to the misuse of the term "ratio". Please use the appropriate terminology. Also, lol'd Yes, the ratios are not negative, but it is still correct you "went negative' in your kdr since kills represent a positive outcome and deaths represent the negative outcome. You are then expressing a relative relationship rather than the purely mathematical ratio.
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 164	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:38:00 - [77] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote: Apparently, no one understands the concept of negative ratios in this thread. Firstly, as stated prior, kdr can never be negative. when comparing the two variables, both are always positve, therefore their quotient will always be positive. Secondly, mathematically speaking, kills and deaths are not "opposites" of each other. Suppose you have killed 7 players. Does dying 2 times mean you killed 5 people in total? no. The opposite of killing is to revive an enemy teammate. One can only achieve a negative kdr if there were some way to revive enemy teammates. In which case, the ratio would be, for every 3 kills, you revived 4 enemies. In this case, the ratio can be negative. Thirdly, as someone pointed out, kdr is being refered to as the "net change", as in the total resulting change. In which case, we would be looking at the difference. Kills - Death. In this case, the value can be negative, however, this is not a ratio, but rather the difference. If you wanted to refer to kills versus deaths as negative, please refer to it as a kdd - kill death difference. As a mathematician and teacher, i take great offense to the misuse of the term "ratio". Please use the appropriate terminology. Also, lol'd Yes, the ratios are not negative, but it is still correct you "went negative' in your kdr since kills represent a positive outcome and deaths represent the negative outcome. You are then expressing a relative relationship rather than the purely mathematical ratio. MATH! "...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:41:00 - [78] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I never want to be that guy on the killboard with 18 deaths. Feels as if a spotlight is on me. "What were you doing wrong that brought you 18 deaths???" "I-I-I...I was trying!" I have managed to keep it at 17
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 182	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:51:00 - [79] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I never want to be that guy on the killboard with 18 deaths. Feels as if a spotlight is on me. "What were you doing wrong that brought you 18 deaths???" "I-I-I...I was trying!" I have managed to keep it at 17 Did 20 trying to plant remotes on tank spam in Dom one match Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 12 page Debate
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 26	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:10:00 - [80] - Quote I remember how bad it was when I was a newberry. But honestly there is a level of player skill involved. It's just hard to notice. I've created new 500,000 SP characters and gone in with NO skill invested in Starter Fits, and wound up at the top off the Killboard. Because running around in BPOs hiding from Proto is actually HOW YOU GET GOOD AT THIS GAME. Although I will admit that newberries must be quitting Dust in hordes because of the new Tanks514 gameplay

Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 251	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:11:00 - [81] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: And to the jack ass that keeps harping on "there is no such thing as a negative KDR"...you're not smarter than everybody, you're just a snarky little **** with a keyboard. STFU and GTFO. You come across as very hostile, btw. This doesn't lend much to your argument. It actually just makes you look so very butthurt. Don't get me wrong, seeing other people cry about video games brings me great joy, but I just thought you should know I've known Battlecry for years and he is a hostile person, but I almost always agree with him in just about everything. Not just videogames. I can see EVE being easier to get into because combat isn't the only thing you can do. In Dust, PvP combat is the only thing you can do. And since it's all you do and the game is so unbalanced it makes it that much harder to get into. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 251	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:14:00 - [82] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Although I will admit that newberries must be quitting Dust in hordes because of the new Tanks514 gameplay Don't say that. The squad of the treads will come after you! The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Beamer 325 Hellstorm Incorporation 9	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:03:00 - [83] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms. This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time. Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better. /thread LMAO, another clueless merc. I have ran solo since day one. Not one regret. Time is money! Was in the top 50 before I stopped playing. Now just cruise forum for laughs and giggles.
Beamer 325 Hellstorm Incorporation 9	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:10:00 - [84] - Quote low genius wrote: op hasn't been watching the eve offline charts, now has he? dust has had a growing playerbase for the last two updates, and hit it's 3 month peak just recently. in fact, with 100 more concurrent player's we'll pass our 6 month peak. so... fail thread. IF you only knew. Players are BOOSTING the player count. NO JOKE.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2014.01.23 19:21:00 - [85] - Quote I agree that there is a certain skill element to the game. One day I logged in and suddenly got 16 kills and more than 1000 WP. And then I did it again one match later. It's like I'm on an entirely different level now. Also, I run solo exclusively. I did squad up occasionally when the warbarge still existed, but I don't intend to put any effort into that kind of thing. I play occasional matches. No reason for me to get too invested into the game. I have started to realize that there's an amount of rudimentary use gestures amongst players. Because there's no usable text chat and because plenty people don't have mics (why the hell would I buy a mic for a single game?), they resort to using punching and shooting as means of communications. Stuff like "Look there. You can reach that sniper. Go there, for ****'s sake." or "go out of my way". If CCP doesn't want text chat (and, judging from the attitude on this forum, so do many of the players for some really weird reason), maybe they will be more open to animations that can be used to convey information? I would love to be able to make a "pay attention to me" gesture to someone and then point at the sniper who's sitting on the same hill as he is. Or a "hop in" for LAV drivers. Or a way for dropship pilots/passengers to actually communicate while sitting in the same vehicle. Anyway, I feel proto stomping could be balanced out by allowing players to organize without the structure of a corp and voice chat. An ad-hoc communication system that EVERYONE can use, independant of equipment, would serve really well in easing people into the game. It won't remove proto stomping. Being on a mic is an extreme advantage and proto equipment just makes this stronger. It will, however, make the stomps less severe. That and some rudimentary matchmaking (Basically, tell Scotty to look out for squads of corp mates and put them into teams opposing other corp squads) would be a good help.
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 251	Posted - 2014.01.23 19:58:00 - [86] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: I have started to realize that there's an amount of rudimentary use gestures amongst players. Because there's no usable text chat and because plenty people don't have mics (why the hell would I buy a mic for a single game?), they resort to using punching and shooting as means of communications. Stuff like "Look there. You can reach that sniper. Go there, for ****'s sake." or "go out of my way". If CCP doesn't want text chat (and, judging from the attitude on this forum, so do many of the players for some really weird reason), maybe they will be more open to animations that can be used to convey information? I would love to be able to make a "pay attention to me" gesture to someone and then point at the sniper who's sitting on the same hill as he is. Or a "hop in" for LAV drivers. Or a way for dropship pilots/passengers to actually communicate while sitting in the same vehicle. Refer to SIG link. MAG had an excellent comms system that inclued gestures. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 88	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:54:00 - [87] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: Refer to SIG link. MAG had an excellent comms system that inclued gestures. Read the OP and a few following posts, but it seems to be exclusively about voice chat.
Teeee Bone C0M8AT V3T3RANS 30	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:05:00 - [88] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Ya know CCP, I've been telling you this since the beta, but you just don't ******* get it do you? If you let 6 proto gods, two of whom are in tanks, join into a pub room with nothing but soloing randoms on the other side it's going to be a redline fest every damned time. There's a couple of things that have to be taken as fact regarding most PSN FPS players: 1) They are completely inept. No...really. A sorrier lot of worthless douchebags cannot be found under a collective banner. Think of the dumbest blue dot you've ever seen and then figure that there are others even dumber than that. 2) They don't have mics 3) They don't go to message boards 4) The vast majority of them don't know what PC is, and even if they did they have no desire to partake in it since they aren't hardcore gamers. 5) The only EvE they are familiar with is "Summer's" 6) The ones that are from EvE are some of the worst blue dots out there. 7) They can't find even the most simple of objectives. I know this because I've spent all day waiting for them to come along with me to an objective only to watch them meander off in the opposite direction at the point of no return and get slaughtered by guys in ADV gear after they've torn me apart on the button. Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17. This is not just a result of the lackluster play of the blue dots. It's the fact that on the kill feed I see the same 4 or 6 guys committing wholesale blue dot genocide and every feed starts with "Boundless", or "Kaalikota", or Ishkune etc. The guys running around 4 to 6 deep running proto gear are sending the blue dots (and myself) screaming to the redline. I can't even get out in a fully tanked 7-8K HP without getting ganked by three other tanks/assault Dropships. And again, this isn't a few games, this was over the course of five hours. How long do you think someone that has zero investment in this game is going to keep sticking it out once they figure out that their skill means next to nothing compared to the gear they don't have and won't acquire for months? They're dumb, but they aren't THAT dumb. And it's fully likely that before they have that epiphany that they've completely borked their toon's skill tree. DUST is a massive uphill battle in a lot of ways. The "War Academy" is a nice gesture but at the end of the day is a damned joke. Throwing guys still primarily in Militia gear against PC players that are earning 100 million a week and can actually afford to go isk negative in pub rooms and not care about it one lick...maybe the game should be renamed to Dickmove514; because that's all it really is. There is no "HTFU", or "Adapt or Die"...there is no adaptation to be had, just scores of players going negative and they quit playing the game. It's not a matter of skill, or "grinding", it's the fact that they can't even be competitive. I like the new lower TTK, but when you're playing with a max EHP under 400 and going against guys that can press the trigger twice and reduce you to a faint memory...eventually players aren't going to care about leveling or proficiency...they just want to be able to compete and know they aren't set up to fail. Where are the numbers CCP? You're keeping them. What does the "average" dust player look like hours wise? Have they been released? If they're good or in your favor, why not? I figure since the numbers aren't posted, they support the claims being made that this game can't retain a player base. And why is that? Massive built in imbalance. Newbs being throw in against proto stomping PC quality players makes this game ZERO fun. At some point the model for Dust starts feeling more and more like a facebook game than a groundbreaking RPG FPS. Get your act together and separate the newbs from the vets or for the love of all that's holy have an ADV or lower game mode or just be prepared to become a "coulda been" failure on the scale of MAG and Brink. I liked this post so much I had to unlike it so I could like it again.. This guy has a serious point!!!! I am a very concerned veteran that has a lot of money invested in this game and it has to find a way to allow for newbie growth before being protostomped!!!! THINK FUTURE NOT PAST!!!!!!!!!
Onesimus Tarsus 936	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:17:00 - [89] - Quote Teeee Bone wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Ya know CCP, I've been telling you this since the beta, but you just don't ******* get it do you? If you let 6 proto gods, two of whom are in tanks, join into a pub room with nothing but soloing randoms on the other side it's going to be a redline fest every damned time. There's a couple of things that have to be taken as fact regarding most PSN FPS players: 1) They are completely inept. No...really. A sorrier lot of worthless douchebags cannot be found under a collective banner. Think of the dumbest blue dot you've ever seen and then figure that there are others even dumber than that. 2) They don't have mics 3) They don't go to message boards 4) The vast majority of them don't know what PC is, and even if they did they have no desire to partake in it since they aren't hardcore gamers. 5) The only EvE they are familiar with is "Summer's" 6) The ones that are from EvE are some of the worst blue dots out there. 7) They can't find even the most simple of objectives. I know this because I've spent all day waiting for them to come along with me to an objective only to watch them meander off in the opposite direction at the point of no return and get slaughtered by guys in ADV gear after they've torn me apart on the button. Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17. This is not just a result of the lackluster play of the blue dots. It's the fact that on the kill feed I see the same 4 or 6 guys committing wholesale blue dot genocide and every feed starts with "Boundless", or "Kaalikota", or Ishkune etc. The guys running around 4 to 6 deep running proto gear are sending the blue dots (and myself) screaming to the redline. I can't even get out in a fully tanked 7-8K HP without getting ganked by three other tanks/assault Dropships. And again, this isn't a few games, this was over the course of five hours. How long do you think someone that has zero investment in this game is going to keep sticking it out once they figure out that their skill means next to nothing compared to the gear they don't have and won't acquire for months? They're dumb, but they aren't THAT dumb. And it's fully likely that before they have that epiphany that they've completely borked their toon's skill tree. DUST is a massive uphill battle in a lot of ways. The "War Academy" is a nice gesture but at the end of the day is a damned joke. Throwing guys still primarily in Militia gear against PC players that are earning 100 million a week and can actually afford to go isk negative in pub rooms and not care about it one lick...maybe the game should be renamed to Dickmove514; because that's all it really is. There is no "HTFU", or "Adapt or Die"...there is no adaptation to be had, just scores of players going negative and they quit playing the game. It's not a matter of skill, or "grinding", it's the fact that they can't even be competitive. I like the new lower TTK, but when you're playing with a max EHP under 400 and going against guys that can press the trigger twice and reduce you to a faint memory...eventually players aren't going to care about leveling or proficiency...they just want to be able to compete and know they aren't set up to fail. Where are the numbers CCP? You're keeping them. What does the "average" dust player look like hours wise? Have they been released? If they're good or in your favor, why not? I figure since the numbers aren't posted, they support the claims being made that this game can't retain a player base. And why is that? Massive built in imbalance. Newbs being throw in against proto stomping PC quality players makes this game ZERO fun. At some point the model for Dust starts feeling more and more like a facebook game than a groundbreaking RPG FPS. Get your act together and separate the newbs from the vets or for the love of all that's holy have an ADV or lower game mode or just be prepared to become a "coulda been" failure on the scale of MAG and Brink. I liked this post so much I had to unlike it so I could like it again.. This guy has a serious point!!!! I am a very concerned veteran that has a lot of money invested in this game and it has to find a way to allow for newbie growth before being protostomped!!!! THINK FUTURE NOT PAST!!!!!!!!! CCP has a perfectly sound plan in place for newbies to have a fighting chance against vets: AUR. Lossa, losssa AUR. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 186	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:20:00 - [90] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms. This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time. Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better. /thread Teams mean nothing most of the time it's who can spam more or have better gear.. If that's what you genuinely believe then im sorry but you're not very good at this game. I've lost count of how many proto users I've killed when running with a competent team. This game is heavily geared towards teamwork. But most of the whining soloplaying scrubs don't know that because they've barely even tried running in a coordinated squad.

Pisidon Gmen Ivory Vanguard 18	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:26:00 - [91] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms. This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time. Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better. /thread yea that is just fine use the squad finder or corp chat but that still leaves 10 stupid blue dots in most battles the game is not ballenced 4 any thing and the 1.7 fix was simple bull &^&^$%&$ it just made tanks cheaper and killed any av we had if you were not a heavy tanks go 20 and 30 to 1 or 0 unless there are counter tanks and guess what dumm ass not every 1 wants to play this fps as a damm tank driver swarms need range back or tanks need range reduced its bs they can kill from across the map but we cant even get a shot off there is not a growing player base do to the bs matching system and academy is no use you need 2 mill + sp to make any kind of diff in the drop suits after u hit pub match this was a good game b4 ccp decided to " fix " stuff and why the hell is the dps of most weapons so high i am so sick of being 1 and 2 shot by bs op wepons hell a sniper rifle should be a 1 shot weapon and it dosen't kill any 1 but noobs or scouts in 1 shot
HeroCalledJayne Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:33:00 - [92] - Quote Ignoring the screams from OP, he does have somewhat of a point. I think it's a lttle much to paint all blue dots with the same brush, but there are problems that (I feel) need to be addressed. I'm a pretty casual FPS gamer. My alt in Eve is much more hardcore. I've played with nullsec blocks, wormhole alliances, pirates, and highsec wardecs. I'm used to being on comms. When I sit down to join a pub match though, I feel like playing some FPS, not putting on another headset and finding my FC squad leader. That said, I'm also smart enough to look at the map and notice when I need to spawn at a spot about to get overrun, or when I need to sneak around the back and put down a drop uplink. It's possible to work with my team without comms. We'll usually get beaten by a team using comms, but I'm not demanding to win, casual play! I just expect a good game. Here's where the op has a point though, it's not the proto gear or the curb stomping. It is the blue dots are stupid and give up too easy. I started a match last night and noticed that, despite a good effort by our team, we just couldn't hold any objectives. I switched to map view to check out where everyone was and noticed 3-4 people just chillin in corners. I don't know what the other teams people looked like, but that seemed to explain it to me. It wasn't a 16v16 game, it was a 16v12 game. Next match starts, now we're truly getting curb stomped. I sneak around back, get behind an objective, set down a drop uplink and get killed. I respawn at my own uplink, try to get around to drop another, end up killed again. About the 3rd time I'm respawning I notice nobody else is using my uplink... maybe they don't like the position? I look at the map, nope, everyone but literally 2 people, me and one other guy, are chillin afk'ish in the bottom left. I don't know if they gave up or if they just felt like absorbing AFK SP (weren't they supposed to fix that a while ago? I just came back). In any case. Call it matchmaking, call it activity timeouts. Let squad leaders kick unproductive people from a match? Let teams vote people out of a match? Probably open to abuse, but the mechanics are pretty bad and it boils down to OPs original point (if I read it right).... You have to account for the mindnumbing stupidity of half the people that join. Right now nothing does. I can stand new players, or bad players, or people that don't use comms and are 0/17 if they are trying. It gets frustrating when a control point gets taken and rather than trying to take it back I watch half my team drop from the game and the other half "POS up" so they don't lose ISK. My .02 Aurum
Pisidon Gmen Ivory Vanguard 18	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:35:00 - [93] - Quote ] BattleCry1791 wrote: I CCP has a perfectly sound plan in place for newbies to have a fighting chance against vets: AUR. Lossa, losssa AUR. aur dosent matter so what is as a noob u buy an adv AR the stompers have proto so what did u get nothing you are still dead in 1 shot the bigest problems to fair matches its the bs matching that starts 1 side 30 sec earlier the the other matching that puts randoms in battle with squads of real players and puts randoms in battles that outher players leave if dust is to grow there needs to b change AND I DONT MEEN MORE WEPONS FIX THE GAME WITH WHATS IN THE GAME DONT ADD MORE OP CRAP
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:53:00 - [94] - Quote HeroCalledJayne wrote: Ignoring the screams from OP, he does have somewhat of a point. I think it's a lttle much to paint all blue dots with the same brush, but there are problems that (I feel) need to be addressed. I'm a pretty casual FPS gamer. My alt in Eve is much more hardcore. I've played with nullsec blocks, wormhole alliances, pirates, and highsec wardecs. I'm used to being on comms. When I sit down to join a pub match though, I feel like playing some FPS, not putting on another headset and finding my FC squad leader. That said, I'm also smart enough to look at the map and notice when I need to spawn at a spot about to get overrun, or when I need to sneak around the back and put down a drop uplink. It's possible to work with my team without comms. We'll usually get beaten by a team using comms, but I'm not demanding to win, casual play! I just expect a good game. Here's where the op has a point though, it's not the proto gear or the curb stomping. It is the blue dots are stupid and give up too easy. I started a match last night and noticed that, despite a good effort by our team, we just couldn't hold any objectives. I switched to map view to check out where everyone was and noticed 3-4 people just chillin in corners. I don't know what the other teams people looked like, but that seemed to explain it to me. It wasn't a 16v16 game, it was a 16v12 game. Next match starts, now we're truly getting curb stomped. I sneak around back, get behind an objective, set down a drop uplink and get killed. I respawn at my own uplink, try to get around to drop another, end up killed again. About the 3rd time I'm respawning I notice nobody else is using my uplink... maybe they don't like the position? I look at the map, nope, everyone but literally 2 people, me and one other guy, are chillin afk'ish in the bottom left. I don't know if they gave up or if they just felt like absorbing AFK SP (weren't they supposed to fix that a while ago? I just came back). In any case. Call it matchmaking, call it activity timeouts. Let squad leaders kick unproductive people from a match? Let teams vote people out of a match? Probably open to abuse, but the mechanics are pretty bad and it boils down to OPs original point (if I read it right).... You have to account for the mindnumbing stupidity of half the people that join. Right now nothing does. I can stand new players, or bad players, or people that don't use comms and are 0/17 if they are trying. It gets frustrating when a control point gets taken and rather than trying to take it back I watch half my team drop from the game and the other half "POS up" so they don't lose ISK. My .02 Aurum People not trying is really just a symptom, not the cause, of the problem. When the effort is futile and attempts are always punished then people learn to not try for the objective. I played a Dom match last night when the other team got redlined before they even left the redline. One hardy soul managed to sneak out and throw an uplink but the scanners picked it up immediately and 8 guys camped it before I got there and destroyed it. Trying was futile for them, effort was punished. When this same scenario is re enacted in the majority of games it becomes the culture. Where is the enjoyment or sense of accomplishment for anyone? It isn't a matter of "stupid blueberries", it is a matter of unfair games. CCP can't or won't fix it, too many vets pass the buck and say "it ain't my problem", but just like in life you are either part of the problem or part of the solution.
Pisidon Gmen Ivory Vanguard 18	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:56:00 - [95] - Quote low genius wrote: op hasn't been watching the eve offline charts, now has he? dust has had a growing playerbase for the last two updates, and hit it's 3 month peak just recently. in fact, with 100 more concurrent player's we'll pass our 6 month peak. so... fail thread. PLAYER BASE AND BASE # OF PLAYERS PLAYING ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS LOL how many players run 2 , 3 or more guys on different psn accounts so they can have passive sp on them all there is always the same number of players on depending on the time i log on only 22k to 27k most times and 47 to 5ok at peak times i log in its not new players staying with the game its old players making new toons to play u can only play 1 at a time so the players on line doesn't go up just the # of different toons players are playing so u fail on the fail point 2 how long b4 a inactive account is deleated ??????????? lots of noobs didn't stay with the game but there toon is still here do to the info is not saved on there psn
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2321	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:22:00 - [96] - Quote "The RND route"? Lulz Although the protogear stomping hurts new players...what does players expect other players to do? I use a proto suit in pubs but only for the space. I use adv weapons and around 600 total ehp. I only use the proto suit cause I carry uplinks, nanohives, scanners and I need a proto AV nade cause the EX-11s and under are garbage now. Now, what am I supposed to do when I see two or three heavies in the game? Don on an advanced suit with 400 ehp and an exile? This game doesn't allow you to use std gear and be "successful". So, when I see a bunch of heavies or some other guys with 800 or more ehp, then I have to use a heavier weapon. Usually, I use the adv weapon and it's enough. But when they spam heavies or decked out logi suits, you dont have a choice. weRideNDie2getha since 2010
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 251	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:22:00 - [97] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: Refer to SIG link. MAG had an excellent comms system that inclued gestures. Read the OP and a few following posts, but it seems to be exclusively about voice chat. I was mostly referring to Proxy chat and the call-out system that MAG had in regards to your post. Marlin Kirby wrote: There were *proxy chat. This was where both blue-dots and red-dots could hear what you are saying given that you are within a certain distance (roughly 10-15 m). This was loads of fun because you can talk to the enemy, but I digress. While we don't necessarily need to talk to red-dots, this is a necessity in order to effectively talk to blue-dots since the "Team" channel is just a cluster-FOXTROT* and that's only if the blue-dots are in there in teamchat in the first place. What we have now is just simply bad. There was a *call out* system which had the phrases: "I need a pick up" (if you need a vehicle) "I need a medic" (rarely used because most people had at least a first-aid kit [equivalent to the armor repper in Dust] and downed players couldn't make call outs [oops]) "I need repairs" (for vehicles and you don't have a repair tool) "Requesting reinforcements" (duh) The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Jamie Insano FACTION WARFARE ARMY 0	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:34:00 - [98] - Quote I love this thread! Someone speaks up about protostompers, and the protostompers actually admit to their wanton douche baggary. Here's why people protostomp. THEY ARE SCARED TO FIGHT ANYONE GOOD. It would be very easy to organize big fights with top tier teams on both sides, but let's face it, protostompers are pussies. It's in their blood. It doesn't matter what mechanics are put in place, there will always be the few, using such excuses as 'I was in Beta!' or 'Everyonee else does it!' or (my favorite) 'CCP says it's ok!', to justify a style of gameplay that would get them beat up on a playground. This is really tff. I bet Chris Roberts (he's making Star Citizen and Squadron 42, which will also have an intergrated FPS system the likes of which DUST will never know) follows how badly EVE and DUST do regularly. Seriously. The only people with -anything- nice to say about this game are the ones this thread was written about. I Googled it. Pub matches should be for starter fit gear, only. Then higher tiers for Basic, Adv, and Proto. Finish it with one open tier where anyone can run anything. I can tell you as a new player that when the next freebie comes out on PSN I won't be wasting any more time here. By this time next year when there's no more players, a lot more people won't be wasting time here either.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 186	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:38:00 - [99] - Quote Jamie Insano wrote: I love this thread! Someone speaks up about protostompers, and the protostompers actually admit to their wanton douche baggary. Here's why people protostomp. THEY ARE SCARED TO FIGHT ANYONE GOOD. It would be very easy to organize big fights with top tier teams on both sides, but let's face it, protostompers are pussies. It's in their blood. It doesn't matter what mechanics are put in place, there will always be the few, using such excuses as 'I was in Beta!' or 'Everyonee else does it!' or (my favorite) 'CCP says it's ok!', to justify a style of gameplay that would get them beat up on a playground. This is really tff. I bet Chris Roberts (he's making Star Citizen and Squadron 42, which will also have an intergrated FPS system the likes of which DUST will never know) follows how badly EVE and DUST do regularly. Seriously. The only people with -anything- nice to say about this game are the ones this thread was written about. I Googled it. Pub matches should be for starter fit gear, only. Then higher tiers for Basic, Adv, and Proto. Finish it with one open tier where anyone can run anything. I can tell you as a new player that when the next freebie comes out on PSN I won't be wasting any more time here. By this time next year when there's no more players, a lot more people won't be wasting time here either. Keep tellin' yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. All I see in this thread are a bunch of whiney losers who just plain suck at this game. Oh and in b4 proto stomper accusations: I only use standard level suits. So yeah...
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 251	Posted - 2014.01.24 00:02:00 - [100] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: All I see in this thread are a bunch of whiney losers who just plain suck at this game. Oh! These arguments are fun! Tanks don't need to be nerfed. You just suck at the game. AV doesn't need to be nerfed. You just suck at the game. RRs and CRs doesn't need to be nerfed. You just suck at the game. Armor doesn't need to be nerfed. You just suck at the game. Aim-assist doesn't need to be nerfed. You just suck at the game. KB/M doesn't need to be nerfed. You just suck at the game. It's like an automatic win argument button! The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.01.24 00:14:00 - [101] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: "The RND route"? Lulz Although the protogear stomping hurts new players...what does players expect other players to do? I use a proto suit in pubs but only for the space. I use adv weapons and around 600 total ehp. I only use the proto suit cause I carry uplinks, nanohives, scanners and I need a proto AV nade cause the EX-11s and under are garbage now. Now, what am I supposed to do when I see two or three heavies in the game? Don on an advanced suit with 400 ehp and an exile? This game doesn't allow you to use std gear and be "successful". So, when I see a bunch of heavies or some other guys with 800 or more ehp, then I have to use a heavier weapon. Usually, I use the adv weapon and it's enough. But when they spam heavies or decked out logi suits, you dont have a choice. This hardcore "protostomp" argument only really started when AA got re introduced into the game and it became more about player equipment and skill points. Instead of player skill being able to circumvent skills and equipment.. People in Chromosome loved someone in better stuff.. it was more of a challenge... now? F* that, I want everyone on the same level as my 3 month old character so I can stand a chance?!?!?!?!?!? This is a shooter right? The simple mentality of the gamer we are attracting to this title now is..... interesting...
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 89	Posted - 2014.01.24 00:21:00 - [102] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: knight of 6 wrote: do you feel better now? I've had bad games, and lord knows I've had massively incompetent blueberrys, and I've had matches where I've been the massively incompetent blueberry. nothing goes right and I die a lot. so it goes. channel the anger into something constructive, not this crap. I had a thread in the rookie training grounds about dropship etiquette. it was mildly successful and I think one of the cool mercs who lead a training corp ended up sending it out to all the new bros in his corp. when I typed it I was livid, I was an atom bomb in a volcano about to explode. but rather than calling everyone around me an idiot as I was so, so inclined to do I assumed that they simply didn't know better. I have no idea how many people read it or if any of them listened, but if one, only one person listened it was a success. I still regard that thread as one of my favorite forum posts. Most of the noobs in this game are idiots. Half of what they need to know is just common FPS knowledge. In what game will shooting a tank or flying vehicle do any damage? In what game will shooting friendlies help you in any way? I suspect that some of the people coming to this game have not played online FPS much before. I know I had never played an online FPS before because they all seemed shallow and pointless to me: COD held my attention for about 10 minutes; online Halo 2 for about 30. I've been playing this game for 8 months and am still learning some things that seasoned FPS players would take as second nature.
HeroCalledJayne Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:27:00 - [103] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: but just like in life you are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Selectively quoting just to say fair enough. Tonight I got on, synced by headset to the PS3, went into the squad finder, joined an actual team, and tried a few games. 15 seconds into the first match, chaos (keep in mind the first 10 seconds were spawning). I spoke up on comms with a mic check, no response, "Anyone hearing me, or is my headset not on?" nothing, I could see the icon in the lower right when I hit the PTT key. Nobody on my squad said one word the entire time, it was exactly the same as playing a pickup game like normal. So we lost... Maybe I just got a **** squad. Went back to the squad manager, picked one that specifically said Mics Required. That'll get um! Game got rolling, we rushed forward nearly capturing the first objective but got beaten there. "Hey guys, anyone alive?" crickets. We didn't capture the objective once during that entire game. I saw some tanks, but it wasn't a matter of getting steamrolled by them. I saw people trying, drop uplinks going down, but there wasn't anyone on comms, no coordination period. Maybe my mic really is broken? So I backed out of the game and went to the setup. Nope, works perfect there. I could join a player corp, but honestly, I don't know why one would want me. I play here and there, devoting my time primarily to school and to Eve and my girlfriend second (I won't mention which comes before the other :P ) So short of that, what can I do to be part of the solution? I've been told to stay away from Ambush, so I have that turned off, but should I stay away from Public Contracts all together? Just play faction contracts? Or did I just get back luck on the Squads, try them again. Where can I find the best "game" currently? Or should I join one of those holder corps... what is it I got a mail from... The Faction Warfare Army, they seem willing to take anyone. Would that actually get me good games?
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 109	Posted - 2014.01.24 03:44:00 - [104] - Quote HeroCalledJayne wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: but just like in life you are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Selectively quoting just to say fair enough. Tonight I got on, synced by headset to the PS3, went into the squad finder, joined an actual team, and tried a few games. 15 seconds into the first match, chaos (keep in mind the first 10 seconds were spawning). I spoke up on comms with a mic check, no response, "Anyone hearing me, or is my headset not on?" nothing, I could see the icon in the lower right when I hit the PTT key. Nobody on my squad said one word the entire time, it was exactly the same as playing a pickup game like normal. So we lost... Maybe I just got a **** squad. Went back to the squad manager, picked one that specifically said Mics Required. That'll get um! Game got rolling, we rushed forward nearly capturing the first objective but got beaten there. "Hey guys, anyone alive?" crickets. We didn't capture the objective once during that entire game. I saw some tanks, but it wasn't a matter of getting steamrolled by them. I saw people trying, drop uplinks going down, but there wasn't anyone on comms, no coordination period. Maybe my mic really is broken? So I backed out of the game and went to the setup. Nope, works perfect there. I could join a player corp, but honestly, I don't know why one would want me. I play here and there, devoting my time primarily to school and to Eve and my girlfriend second (I won't mention which comes before the other :P ) So short of that, what can I do to be part of the solution? I've been told to stay away from Ambush, so I have that turned off, but should I stay away from Public Contracts all together? Just play faction contracts? Or did I just get back luck on the Squads, try them again. Where can I find the best "game" currently? Or should I join one of those holder corps... what is it I got a mail from... The Faction Warfare Army, they seem willing to take anyone. Would that actually get me good games? They are good but I've seen them spam and try to stomp lol if you want to be bored while they stomp go ahead
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 374	Posted - 2014.01.24 07:59:00 - [105] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: No, not really. Eve Online proves that not pandering to the lowest common denominator is a sound business strategy. CCP has a specific, harsh plan for DUST 514. They aren't trying to appeal to casuals necessarily. They welcome them, sure, but they aren't going to change their game design philosophy for them. That starts you down a dark path that leads to cow clickers and Candy Crush Saga. I'm sorry but this isn't about hardcore vs casuals. Competitive FPS gaming is neck and neck with competitive MOBA for the most hardcore gaming environment. What this is about is the fact that the ENTIRE FPS community, from casuals to hardcore expect certain elements in their games and Dust does not deliver on these. 1) The FPS community is about purist gungame and map tactics skill being the determining factors in winning, not length of account time (SP). 2) They want total precision in the movement and combat model with minimum lag 3) They want perfect map design 4) They want perfect weapon balance/imbalance Until they wise up to FPS community expectations this game will always simply be a homeless shelter for EVE/MMO nomads
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 203	Posted - 2014.01.24 09:02:00 - [106] - Quote Shion Typhon wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: No, not really. Eve Online proves that not pandering to the lowest common denominator is a sound business strategy. CCP has a specific, harsh plan for DUST 514. They aren't trying to appeal to casuals necessarily. They welcome them, sure, but they aren't going to change their game design philosophy for them. That starts you down a dark path that leads to cow clickers and Candy Crush Saga. I'm sorry but this isn't about hardcore vs casuals. Competitive FPS gaming is neck and neck with competitive MOBA for the most hardcore gaming environment. What this is about is the fact that the ENTIRE FPS community, from casuals to hardcore expect certain elements in their games and Dust does not deliver on these. 1) The FPS community is about purist gungame and map tactics skill being the determining factors in winning, not length of account time (SP). 2) They want total precision in the movement and combat model with minimum lag 3) They want perfect map design 4) They want perfect weapon balance/imbalance Until they wise up to FPS community expectations this game will always simply be a homeless shelter for EVE/MMO nomads And unemployed fucks like me who wanted an fps in their game library Proto Stompers Information/Wanted board Tap, Tap
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 91	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:28:00 - [107] - Quote Shion Typhon wrote: I'm sorry but this isn't about hardcore vs casuals. Competitive FPS gaming is neck and neck with competitive MOBA for the most hardcore gaming environment. What this is about is the fact that the ENTIRE FPS community, from casuals to hardcore expect certain elements in their games and Dust does not deliver on these. 1) The FPS community is about purist gungame and map tactics skill being the determining factors in winning, not length of account time (SP). 2) They want total precision in the movement and combat model with minimum lag 3) They want perfect map design 4) They want perfect weapon balance/imbalance Until they wise up to FPS community expectations this game will always simply be a homeless shelter for EVE/MMO nomads I'll ignore the claim that MOBA are anywhere near hardcore gaming... Anyway, hardcore FPS games also require the ability to stream matches in some way. It increases the stakes of a fight and motivates players - Both the ones that are playing the match and the ones who are watching it. A spectator mode would be helpful for high-level matches. FPS games also require direct information feeds. A gun's overheating gauge shouldn't be in the corner of the screen. An enemy's character model should be easily readable to instantly see what kind of equipment he has - Ever tried to find out if an enemy has an AR or a Breach AR? The footsteps of my enemies should NOT have less priority than some other random sound effects. And yes, DUST definitely needs better level design. Or rather, better movement - The level design would be fine if you couldn't get stuck on the most ridiculously tiny obstacles, be it hills or just objects strewn around the environment. This goes for both vehicles and infantry. LAVs feel far from agile outside of flat environments. As for shooting mechanics, there really needs to be a better mouse implementations. Analog sticks are NOT good for aiming in FPS, period. That's why there's auto-aim. It's necessary to offset the fact that mouse can instantly turn around and aim with pinpoint accuracy. Maybe in the future we'll have heavy classes use the DS for the auto-aim at cost of speed and precision, while classes of semi-atuomatic weapon users go for keyboard/mouse due to the higher accuracy and movement speed. By the way, I thought that all modern FPS had perks and other silly playtime based stuff.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 136	Posted - 2014.01.24 13:41:00 - [108] - Quote Lets be brutally honest here. The game may have been VERY beta back in chromosome - but everyone knows that want the good times back. I love this game and I hope it goes far but it has issues. Scotty - He will queue up a squad and put a few solo players in on team A, team B will then get a few solo players. Then another squad will join but instead of balancing the match by putting this second squad on team B to oppose the squad on team A ..... they JOIN the squad in team A. Team b gets some more solo players IF they are lucky. Sometimes I have seen 2 full squads on one team with little to NO ONE on the opposing team. What the hell really. AimAssist - I prefered the game a lot better when everyone used skill in positioning , strafing, jumping around like mad men trying to hit each other than this lock on BS we have now. Personal opinion.
I HateMyFace FACTION WARFARE ARMY 35	Posted - 2014.01.25 01:40:00 - [109] - Quote Yeah ** this game. I'm not a casual gamer by any means but I'm tired of getting stomped. It's not fun. Since this new build I get butt **** constantly
Volgair Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 306	Posted - 2014.01.25 02:34:00 - [110] - Quote I will agree with the OP on most accounts, +1... Except in regards to TTK, First to fire wins game play like this tends to favor an overall less interesting game, and thus community. Longer TTK's allow for skill, thought, planning and coordination in combat to manifest as a more meaningful list of potential X variable's. This is especially true when applied to the grand scheme of success or fail. "Paper is OP, scissor's are fine." -Rock

Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 114	Posted - 2014.01.25 07:17:00 - [111] - Quote I HateMyFace wrote: Yeah ** this game. I'm not a casual gamer by any means but I'm tired of getting stomped. It's not fun. Since this new build I get butt **** constantly But.....I just can't quit. I don't know why. It's like if I just find the right loadout I'll be ok. But I know I wont. Or will I? I just decided I still love this game Run with your corp they seem to stomp well in groups pretty often.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 585	Posted - 2014.01.25 07:41:00 - [112] - Quote HeroCalledJayne wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: but just like in life you are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Selectively quoting just to say fair enough. Tonight I got on, synced by headset to the PS3, went into the squad finder, joined an actual team, and tried a few games. 15 seconds into the first match, chaos (keep in mind the first 10 seconds were spawning). I spoke up on comms with a mic check, no response, "Anyone hearing me, or is my headset not on?" nothing, I could see the icon in the lower right when I hit the PTT key. Nobody on my squad said one word the entire time, it was exactly the same as playing a pickup game like normal. So we lost... Maybe I just got a **** squad. Went back to the squad manager, picked one that specifically said Mics Required. That'll get um! Game got rolling, we rushed forward nearly capturing the first objective but got beaten there. "Hey guys, anyone alive?" crickets. We didn't capture the objective once during that entire game. I saw some tanks, but it wasn't a matter of getting steamrolled by them. I saw people trying, drop uplinks going down, but there wasn't anyone on comms, no coordination period. Maybe my mic really is broken? So I backed out of the game and went to the setup. Nope, works perfect there. I could join a player corp, but honestly, I don't know why one would want me. I play here and there, devoting my time primarily to school and to Eve and my girlfriend second (I won't mention which comes before the other :P ) So short of that, what can I do to be part of the solution? I've been told to stay away from Ambush, so I have that turned off, but should I stay away from Public Contracts all together? Just play faction contracts? Or did I just get back luck on the Squads, try them again. Where can I find the best "game" currently? Or should I join one of those holder corps... what is it I got a mail from... The Faction Warfare Army, they seem willing to take anyone. Would that actually get me good games? I know for certain we would accept you. Almost everyone on is a casual/occasional gamer, and we would love having a decent player join us :D Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.
Teilka Darkmist 66	Posted - 2014.01.25 08:22:00 - [113] - Quote Bethhy wrote: People who graduate the academy don't even learn what hacking is in majority... Let alone, Nanohives, Uplinks, Maps, Tactics... vehicles... AV... This comes down to having no learning curve what so ever.... Here is the kiddie poool for a match or three and then here is the pool full of sharks with friken lasers beams attached to their head, and have a nice day.. Welcome to a F2p game CCP built to get a different gamer market into their universe... Meh Welcome to a CCP game. At launch, Eve had no new player experience, it just dropped you into space. High sec space sure, but you still had to work out everything for yourself. The NPE's still pretty poor if you want to PvP, or at least it was a little over a year ago. It's something they know about and are trying to work out how to fix, they just don't know how yet. I doubt that the dust team don't know about the NPE and I'm pretty sure they're trying to come up with ways to improve it as a good NPE means player retention which means the game survives and thrives. The answer isn't to wall off players until they've got proto equipment just so they can compete though. I wish I knew what it was so I could suggest it in the feedback thread. Maybe something like a set of PvE tutorials so you can learn the basic mechanics, find your playstyle and make a little bit of isk then into the Academy to get some actual PVP experience and then graduate to the full game. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2325	Posted - 2014.01.25 22:37:00 - [114] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: "The RND route"? Lulz Although the protogear stomping hurts new players...what does players expect other players to do? I use a proto suit in pubs but only for the space. I use adv weapons and around 600 total ehp. I only use the proto suit cause I carry uplinks, nanohives, scanners and I need a proto AV nade cause the EX-11s and under are garbage now. Now, what am I supposed to do when I see two or three heavies in the game? Don on an advanced suit with 400 ehp and an exile? This game doesn't allow you to use std gear and be "successful". So, when I see a bunch of heavies or some other guys with 800 or more ehp, then I have to use a heavier weapon. Usually, I use the adv weapon and it's enough. But when they spam heavies or decked out logi suits, you dont have a choice. This hardcore "protostomp" argument only really started when AA got re introduced into the game and it became more about player equipment and skill points. Instead of player skill being able to circumvent skills and equipment.. People in Chromosome loved someone in better stuff.. it was more of a challenge... now? F* that, I want everyone on the same level as my 3 month old character so I can stand a chance?!?!?!?!?!? This is a shooter right? The simple mentality of the gamer we are attracting to this title now is..... interesting... The protostomp argument has been in existence since closed beta. Back then a protosuit actually meant something. Back when SI, Imps, etc would have proto squads and stomp. Nowadays, proto suits don't really mean that much. There are some adv suits and std suits that has more health than my proto suit. weRideNDie2getha since 2010
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 926	Posted - 2014.01.25 22:43:00 - [115] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Bethhy wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: "The RND route"? Lulz Although the protogear stomping hurts new players...what does players expect other players to do? I use a proto suit in pubs but only for the space. I use adv weapons and around 600 total ehp. I only use the proto suit cause I carry uplinks, nanohives, scanners and I need a proto AV nade cause the EX-11s and under are garbage now. Now, what am I supposed to do when I see two or three heavies in the game? Don on an advanced suit with 400 ehp and an exile? This game doesn't allow you to use std gear and be "successful". So, when I see a bunch of heavies or some other guys with 800 or more ehp, then I have to use a heavier weapon. Usually, I use the adv weapon and it's enough. But when they spam heavies or decked out logi suits, you dont have a choice. This hardcore "protostomp" argument only really started when AA got re introduced into the game and it became more about player equipment and skill points. Instead of player skill being able to circumvent skills and equipment.. People in Chromosome loved someone in better stuff.. it was more of a challenge... now? F* that, I want everyone on the same level as my 3 month old character so I can stand a chance?!?!?!?!?!? This is a shooter right? The simple mentality of the gamer we are attracting to this title now is..... interesting... The protostomp argument has been in existence since closed beta. Back then a protosuit actually meant something. Back when SI, Imps, etc would have proto squads and stomp. Nowadays, proto suits don't really mean that much. There are some adv suits and std suits that has more health than my proto suit. Back then player skill mattered more then the suit... killing the people on the leaderboard with a newly made character was doo-able with skill and FPS ability. Now? no way .. You would have to catch them by surprise or be behind them long enough to get a couple shots off. You can see this clearly echoed since 1.4. There is a massive difference in the gameplay we played then and now. Edit* Oh and hell yea people don't know what stacked team stomping IS if you havent been up against a Mr.Zitro ran Imp squad.. And that was 4 man squad days.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1477	Posted - 2014.01.25 23:51:00 - [116] - Quote I'm very interested in what CCP Rouge prioritizes after 1.8. The prioritization in 1.8 is good - we need to get those lineups complete/rationalized before we can balance/respec and calibrate TTK, all better sooner than later, so no beef with 1.8. On the other hand, incomplete racial lineups are not what's wrong with the game and is definitely not what's driving new players away. Rouge has said and so far his actions tend to indicate he's going to go after the core issues, with a strong emphasis on the NPE. Given that we've been told PvE is something for later(with which i fully agree), the real question is what does 'core + NPE' mean to Rouge? The first constraint is that this whole conversation has to happen in context of PvP only. So now we come to what Rouge has chosen not to address: Character/vehicle movement & interaction with the environment(terrain, structures). Unassisted DS3 aiming mechanics. KB/M aiming mechanics. Strength/mechanics of AA. End-user customization of controls. Voicecomms. Client stability. Matchmaking. Game modes. New Player Education/induction/orientation/support/incentives. Militia weapons lineup. It think that's a fairly complete list of where the NPE and core mechanics/content intersect. Now ofc it is unfair to say that Rouge has chosen not to address these issues, since there has doubtless been much backroom discussion, analysis and planning devoted to these topics and many more since our EP took on the leadership role for DUST. But it is fair in the sense of what has actually been delivered in Rouge-patches to date(1.6 and 1.7) - it is fair in the sense of what rubber has hit the road. And we don't know the contents of 1.8, or even the focus, really. Racial parity is the obvious answer but we don't know what else is being worked on. The above list is important because if we're losing players in the Academy with very little playtime invested, as IWS loves to imply but not explain, then the cause most probably lies with A) the way CCP engages new players and/or B) the way new player experience the game. Point A i will leave aside, but point B most probably comes down to the core mechanics & content listed above, and that's why 1.9 and onward are very interesting to me. If Rouge/CCP truly are focusing on core mechanics and the NPE, it these topics i'd expect to see addressed immediately. I support SP rollover.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 246	Posted - 2014.01.26 01:47:00 - [117] - Quote glad I'm not the only one that this weeks event and the ******** amount of farming pissed off.
BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 378	Posted - 2014.01.26 09:59:00 - [118] - Quote Zounds. Some good points made here in the last couple of pages. A couple of things I want to address...I apologize for not remembering the authors individually.... To the guy a few posts previous to this one that listed KBM support as one of his "talking points"...The hell is wrong with you? I'm sitting here talking about PSN/PS3 blue dot player retention and you come with KBM support as a reason why the playerbase retention is bad? Seriously? Just WOW. Yeah cuz the MILLIONS of PS3 players out there...it's the first thing on their minds when purchasing a game. I'm just sure that before purchasing BF3 and COD they pause and ask themselves..."I dunno man...I hear the support for that thing I'll NEVER use is kinda spotty...best move onto a diff game." PS3 uses DS3 controllers....that's what PS3 users use. Granted, as they are gamers, if there was a massive advantage to using KBM, many would. Issue here is that making the KBM rig anything other than a playing alternative...a player preference....breaks the game before a shot it fired or a suit is built. It flat out MUST not out perform it's DS3 counterpart....no matter how badly you may want it to, you self important ass. Let's try putting my OP in another perspective... Let's say you screwed up (or whatever) and created a toon with lelvel 4 Shield Extension and lvl 5 Handheld upgrades. How many of you are going to use the Enhanced SE over the damage modifer? Damn few. Why? Because CDM's are way better than ADV SE's. In short, it's the proto gear; stupid. It's massively better than it's ADV counterparts in a lot of ways. The difference between STD and ADV is not as large. There's also one other thing about FPS players that hasn't been brought up on these forums. I will try to explain it from the viewpoint of an imaginary player we'll call...Announcer4ThaDeceased. Any Similarity to Persons Living or Dead Is Purely Coincidental. So our hero, A4TD has been playing FPS's for years and years and according to him, not ONCE has he EVER been killed because he was outshot. Thousands, if not tens of thousands of players have "gotten lucky", or "lagged out", or "******* cheated" etc. But rest assured not a SINGLE of his countless deaths have EVER been legit. Can you imagine the full on rage this player has playing a game like DUST where he's not only killed by the regular BS in FPS games (and let's face it hit detection 'round here ain't what it should be) but gets straight owned by 1100 HP logi's? The question is not when does he throw his controller, but how far away does it land. Let me try, once again, to explain what I'm throwing down. 1) This is not an FPS with RPG elements, this is a full blown RPG with an FPS platform, as such it has massive built in imbalances. 2) Most PS3/FPS players are not going to be along for that ride if they are going to continually get ganked and go 0/10 for months 3) This does not mean the overall game has to be dumbed down. Not even close to it. What needs to occur is a way to placate both crowds....the ones really into Dust, and the casual FPS player in Dust. The reason why that has to happen is pretty simple. The goal here is not to shield the new players forever, but to make it so they don't rage quit in the first week. Allow them to breathe and grow and maybe...just maybe...some of them want to tkae their DUST gameplay to the next level. They join a corp like Faction Warfare Army, then immediately seek employment elsewhere once they realize they have made a terrible move. SO they land in a better corp, they then get inside info on how to spec their toon and their rigs. Later, they might even get into PC. Pissing off the new players will not retain the new players. They will not buy AURUM items if they are not playing the game. I understand there are fears of splitting the playerbase and that the playerbase is too small to afford the split...but that's thinking backwards and is the kind of policy that sinks video game companies. 4000 screaming newbs join every two months and it looks like the game can't even keep a 10th of them. Give those newer players a chance to get into the game before you set them out to be slaughtered buy Viziam this and Boundless that. This isn't to say that every one of them will stick around and become new PC participants, but increases the pool that will. 12 And to address the "Well, maybe DUST just isn't for them". One huge problem with that statement. If DUST had been put out for PC, you could state that all day and be right. But it wasn't. It's on PS3, so some pandering to the blue dots must be done to keep them involved. To me, the biggest obstacle to that is the way the current playerbase is thrown in against the pubstampers. Find a way to separate the two before we wake up to find the same 10k players are always on and don't bother to by the booster packs anymore and that will kill the game. Why? Simple: AURUM Makes money for CCP. With no money, there is no game. Period. They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
CaoticFox Axis of Chaos 169	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:36:00 - [119] - Quote search [REQUEST] - GAMEMODE in the "Request/Feedback" section to see the solution Im on the FORUMS because im P!$$ED off @ the game. as of 1920 CST USA 02-03-14 i have... 53,765,260 SP
lrian Locust Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 348	Posted - 2014.02.05 03:24:00 - [120] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms. This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time. Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better. That's a sad excuse. New players are so much behind in XP, knowledge and ISK that they won't be able to keep up with protostompers for months to come. Teamwork or not. And many players do like to play lone wolf, or try out the waters before they join a squad. If CCP can't accommodate these players, they're set up to lose a huge part of their potential player base.

lrian Locust Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 348	Posted - 2014.02.05 03:31:00 - [121] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: In what game will shooting a tank or flying vehicle do any damage? In what game will shooting friendlies help you in any way? Shooting a tank or dropship might get you a kill assist. I've never had problems with friendlies shooting at me.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1456	Posted - 2014.02.05 03:31:00 - [122] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: Ya know CCP, I've been telling you this since the beta, but you just don't ******* get it do you? If you let 6 proto gods, two of whom are in tanks, join into a pub room with nothing but soloing randoms on the other side it's going to be a redline fest every damned time. There's a couple of things that have to be taken as fact regarding most PSN FPS players: 1) They are completely inept. No...really. A sorrier lot of worthless douchebags cannot be found under a collective banner. Think of the dumbest blue dot you've ever seen and then figure that there are others even dumber than that. 2) They don't have mics 3) They don't go to message boards 4) The vast majority of them don't know what PC is, and even if they did they have no desire to partake in it since they aren't hardcore gamers. 5) The only EvE they are familiar with is "Summer's" 6) The ones that are from EvE are some of the worst blue dots out there. 7) They can't find even the most simple of objectives. I know this because I've spent all day waiting for them to come along with me to an objective only to watch them meander off in the opposite direction at the point of no return and get slaughtered by guys in ADV gear after they've torn me apart on the button. Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17. This is not just a result of the lackluster play of the blue dots. It's the fact that on the kill feed I see the same 4 or 6 guys committing wholesale blue dot genocide and every feed starts with "Boundless", or "Kaalikota", or Ishkune etc. The guys running around 4 to 6 deep running proto gear are sending the blue dots (and myself) screaming to the redline. I can't even get out in a fully tanked 7-8K HP without getting ganked by three other tanks/assault Dropships. And again, this isn't a few games, this was over the course of five hours. How long do you think someone that has zero investment in this game is going to keep sticking it out once they figure out that their skill means next to nothing compared to the gear they don't have and won't acquire for months? They're dumb, but they aren't THAT dumb. And it's fully likely that before they have that epiphany that they've completely borked their toon's skill tree. DUST is a massive uphill battle in a lot of ways. The "War Academy" is a nice gesture but at the end of the day is a damned joke. Throwing guys still primarily in Militia gear against PC players that are earning 100 million a week and can actually afford to go isk negative in pub rooms and not care about it one lick...maybe the game should be renamed to Dickmove514; because that's all it really is. There is no "HTFU", or "Adapt or Die"...there is no adaptation to be had, just scores of players going negative and they quit playing the game. It's not a matter of skill, or "grinding", it's the fact that they can't even be competitive. I like the new lower TTK, but when you're playing with a max EHP under 400 and going against guys that can press the trigger twice and reduce you to a faint memory...eventually players aren't going to care about leveling or proficiency...they just want to be able to compete and know they aren't set up to fail. Where are the numbers CCP? You're keeping them. What does the "average" dust player look like hours wise? Have they been released? If they're good or in your favor, why not? I figure since the numbers aren't posted, they support the claims being made that this game can't retain a player base. And why is that? Massive built in imbalance. Newbs being throw in against proto stomping PC quality players makes this game ZERO fun. At some point the model for Dust starts feeling more and more like a facebook game than a groundbreaking RPG FPS. Get your act together and separate the newbs from the vets or for the love of all that's holy have an ADV or lower game mode or just be prepared to become a "coulda been" failure on the scale of MAG and Brink. I told tem to give new players at least a month in academia and reward them 3-4 million SP upon leaving academy to prepare them for the real world. I mean if people wanted to deal with the harshly unfair and competetive imbalance of life, they'd go to college find out their degree is bullshit and that they needed to know someon all along, and work at mcdonalds... Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1143	Posted - 2014.02.05 03:36:00 - [123] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms. This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time. Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better. /thread Make sure to tell that to ALL THE OTHER PLAYERS that play solo also. Maybe it'll happen as part of the DUST server being shut down a la MAG. Oh the glorious day that happens. I will laugh and close my eyes in satisfaction. Yeah, get better I guess. Someone tel that to the game developer. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 308	Posted - 2014.02.05 03:43:00 - [124] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJXKVOxqkWM The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
PAXTON HAILFIRE Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.02.05 04:26:00 - [125] - Quote Dust is my first FPS. I didn't quit somehow. Even going 0-1-17 for like a month. I switched to sniping until I figured out assault. 6 months in, finally going >1 consistently on k/d with my assult alt. My son and nephew like dusts game concept and environment better than COD, but don't play it because they get creamed. They kick my ass in COD. So, I know they can aim. They are the future of Dust, not my old ass. Don't know the answer, but there is one. Gotta set the hook. WTH is PC?
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 309	Posted - 2014.02.05 04:35:00 - [126] - Quote PAXTON HAILFIRE wrote: WTH is PC? Planetary conquest. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 373	Posted - 2014.02.06 18:11:00 - [127] - Quote Shion Typhon wrote: Competitive FPS gaming is neck and neck with competitive MOBA for the most hardcore gaming environment. I came here to laugh at you. MOBAs are about as hardcore as farmville and as competetive as penile masterbation. Shion Typhon wrote: What this is about is the fact that the ENTIRE FPS community, from casuals to hardcore expect certain elements in their games And this is where you went full ****. Casuals and harcore FPS gamers are 2 completely separate demographics. Both play to win, whereas hardcore gamers want a challenge, casuals dont**. Completely different mindsets, completely separated communities. When you aim for one, you automatically alienate the other. Equal ground for everyone no matter SP - hardcore. Equal ground for everyone no matter the skill - casual. Like it is now, at a state of both somewhat applying, ultimately those that have the skill will prevail, but at the cost of losing any real challenge whatsoever. And countering cheese with cheese is neither challenging nor fun. Its just tedious. And regarding the rest of your these, how are any of those demands unreasonable in a competetive online FPS?


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