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BattleCry1791
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:19:00 -
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Ya know CCP, I've been telling you this since the beta, but you just don't ******* get it do you?
If you let 6 proto gods, two of whom are in tanks, join into a pub room with nothing but soloing randoms on the other side it's going to be a redline fest every damned time.
There's a couple of things that have to be taken as fact regarding most PSN FPS players: 1) They are completely inept. No...really. A sorrier lot of worthless douchebags cannot be found under a collective banner. Think of the dumbest blue dot you've ever seen and then figure that there are others even dumber than that. 2) They don't have mics 3) They don't go to message boards 4) The vast majority of them don't know what PC is, and even if they did they have no desire to partake in it since they aren't hardcore gamers. 5) The only EvE they are familiar with is "Summer's" 6) The ones that are from EvE are some of the worst blue dots out there. 7) They can't find even the most simple of objectives. I know this because I've spent all day waiting for them to come along with me to an objective only to watch them meander off in the opposite direction at the point of no return and get slaughtered by guys in ADV gear after they've torn me apart on the button.
Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17.
This is not just a result of the lackluster play of the blue dots. It's the fact that on the kill feed I see the same 4 or 6 guys committing wholesale blue dot genocide and every feed starts with "Boundless", or "Kaalikota", or Ishkune etc. The guys running around 4 to 6 deep running proto gear are sending the blue dots (and myself) screaming to the redline. I can't even get out in a fully tanked 7-8K HP without getting ganked by three other tanks/assault Dropships.
And again, this isn't a few games, this was over the course of five hours.
How long do you think someone that has zero investment in this game is going to keep sticking it out once they figure out that their skill means next to nothing compared to the gear they don't have and won't acquire for months? They're dumb, but they aren't THAT dumb.
And it's fully likely that before they have that epiphany that they've completely borked their toon's skill tree.
DUST is a massive uphill battle in a lot of ways. The "War Academy" is a nice gesture but at the end of the day is a damned joke. Throwing guys still primarily in Militia gear against PC players that are earning 100 million a week and can actually afford to go isk negative in pub rooms and not care about it one lick...maybe the game should be renamed to Dickmove514; because that's all it really is.
There is no "HTFU", or "Adapt or Die"...there is no adaptation to be had, just scores of players going negative and they quit playing the game. It's not a matter of skill, or "grinding", it's the fact that they can't even be competitive. I like the new lower TTK, but when you're playing with a max EHP under 400 and going against guys that can press the trigger twice and reduce you to a faint memory...eventually players aren't going to care about leveling or proficiency...they just want to be able to compete and know they aren't set up to fail.
Where are the numbers CCP? You're keeping them. What does the "average" dust player look like hours wise? Have they been released? If they're good or in your favor, why not? I figure since the numbers aren't posted, they support the claims being made that this game can't retain a player base.
And why is that? Massive built in imbalance. Newbs being throw in against proto stomping PC quality players makes this game ZERO fun. At some point the model for Dust starts feeling more and more like a facebook game than a groundbreaking RPG FPS.
Get your act together and separate the newbs from the vets or for the love of all that's holy have an ADV or lower game mode or just be prepared to become a "coulda been" failure on the scale of MAG and Brink.
They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1703
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:21:00 -
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Did someone join Spambush? You should know better by now that nyan San/chan go there to pad their kdr
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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BattleCry1791
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
302
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:26:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Did someone join Spambush? You should know better by now that nyan San/chan go there to pad their kdr
Skirmish with some DOM mixed in. 5 hours...maybe 5 or 6 wins. It was like every time I was on the side that didn't have the 4-6 tryhards. Some games I had no choice after loosing two or three tanks to hot tank on tank on tank on tank action reducing my Gunnlogi's and Madrugar's to so much scrap...I just grabbed a free suit and AFK farmed while surfing the net. After I while I even quit being mad....I was simply amazed.
They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
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BuTtHuRtPEepZ
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
191
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:33:00 -
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BattleCry1791 wrote:
Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17.
It is impossible to have a negative kdr. In your example, 1/17 = 1 divided by 17 = 0.0588235294117647 repeated which can never be negative. In the very least aspect, kdr can be 0, but nothing less than that.
also, LOL'd
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Ankbar Latrommi
Immortal Guides
40
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:35:00 -
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I guess that would be a kdd (kill-death-delta), not a kdr (kill-death-ratio)...
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Leonid Tybalt
Dark Knightz Corp.
172
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:38:00 -
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Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms.
This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time.
Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better.
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Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
323
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:43:00 -
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not really a diplomatic post but its true. matchmaking needs serious help. |
THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
442
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:46:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms.
This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time.
Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better.
/thread
This guy gets it. Also,if I were CCP, I'd have stopped reading your lil QQ tantrum at the first line. Civility is easier to read than butt devastation . I'll give you some advice I give many here; go open the window and get some fresh air.
Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar
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AP Grasshopper
The Unit 514
158
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:51:00 -
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BattleCry1791 wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Did someone join Spambush? You should know better by now that nyan San/chan go there to pad their kdr Skirmish with some DOM mixed in. 5 hours...maybe 5 or 6 wins. It was like every time I was on the side that didn't have the 4-6 tryhards. Some games I had no choice after loosing two or three tanks to hot tank on tank on tank on tank action reducing my Gunnlogi's and Madrugar's to so much scrap...I just grabbed a free suit and AFK farmed while surfing the net. After I while I even quit being mad....I was simply amazed.
Maybe your 1/16th of the problem |
Green Living
0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1167
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:55:00 -
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What's up Battle Cry? Long time no see brother. |
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
494
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:57:00 -
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If you actually know what you're doing you can capture a single point and hold it alone. :/ Unless there's a full proto team on the other end, then that's just diddly-winks. You can't blame others for failing to do what you failed to do, cause that's hypocrisy.
Also what is hypocritical is to say that all blue dots are morons. Yet YOU are a blue dot, claiming intelligence of others, thereby invalidating your statement of competency with your own statement of ignorance. :/ See how it kind of loops on itself there?
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1214
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:16:00 -
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do you feel better now?
I've had bad games, and lord knows I've had massively incompetent blueberrys, and I've had matches where I've been the massively incompetent blueberry. nothing goes right and I die a lot. so it goes.
channel the anger into something constructive, not this crap. I had a thread in the rookie training grounds about dropship etiquette. it was mildly successful and I think one of the cool mercs who lead a training corp ended up sending it out to all the new bros in his corp. when I typed it I was livid, I was an atom bomb in a volcano about to explode. but rather than calling everyone around me an idiot as I was so, so inclined to do I assumed that they simply didn't know better. I have no idea how many people read it or if any of them listened, but if one, only one person listened it was a success.
I still regard that thread as one of my favorite forum posts.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout.
CLOSED BETA VET
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
349
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:19:00 -
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BattleCry1791 wrote:Ya know CCP, I've been telling you this since the beta, but you just don't ******* get it do you?
If you let 6 proto gods, two of whom are in tanks, join into a pub room with nothing but soloing randoms on the other side it's going to be a redline fest every damned time.
There's a couple of things that have to be taken as fact regarding most PSN FPS players: 1) They are completely inept. No...really. A sorrier lot of worthless douchebags cannot be found under a collective banner. Think of the dumbest blue dot you've ever seen and then figure that there are others even dumber than that. 2) They don't have mics 3) They don't go to message boards 4) The vast majority of them don't know what PC is, and even if they did they have no desire to partake in it since they aren't hardcore gamers. 5) The only EvE they are familiar with is "Summer's" 6) The ones that are from EvE are some of the worst blue dots out there. 7) They can't find even the most simple of objectives. I know this because I've spent all day waiting for them to come along with me to an objective only to watch them meander off in the opposite direction at the point of no return and get slaughtered by guys in ADV gear after they've torn me apart on the button.
Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17.
This is not just a result of the lackluster play of the blue dots. It's the fact that on the kill feed I see the same 4 or 6 guys committing wholesale blue dot genocide and every feed starts with "Boundless", or "Kaalikota", or Ishkune etc. The guys running around 4 to 6 deep running proto gear are sending the blue dots (and myself) screaming to the redline. I can't even get out in a fully tanked 7-8K HP without getting ganked by three other tanks/assault Dropships.
And again, this isn't a few games, this was over the course of five hours.
How long do you think someone that has zero investment in this game is going to keep sticking it out once they figure out that their skill means next to nothing compared to the gear they don't have and won't acquire for months? They're dumb, but they aren't THAT dumb.
And it's fully likely that before they have that epiphany that they've completely borked their toon's skill tree.
DUST is a massive uphill battle in a lot of ways. The "War Academy" is a nice gesture but at the end of the day is a damned joke. Throwing guys still primarily in Militia gear against PC players that are earning 100 million a week and can actually afford to go isk negative in pub rooms and not care about it one lick...maybe the game should be renamed to Dickmove514; because that's all it really is.
There is no "HTFU", or "Adapt or Die"...there is no adaptation to be had, just scores of players going negative and they quit playing the game. It's not a matter of skill, or "grinding", it's the fact that they can't even be competitive. I like the new lower TTK, but when you're playing with a max EHP under 400 and going against guys that can press the trigger twice and reduce you to a faint memory...eventually players aren't going to care about leveling or proficiency...they just want to be able to compete and know they aren't set up to fail.
Where are the numbers CCP? You're keeping them. What does the "average" dust player look like hours wise? Have they been released? If they're good or in your favor, why not? I figure since the numbers aren't posted, they support the claims being made that this game can't retain a player base.
And why is that? Massive built in imbalance. Newbs being throw in against proto stomping PC quality players makes this game ZERO fun. At some point the model for Dust starts feeling more and more like a facebook game than a groundbreaking RPG FPS.
Get your act together and separate the newbs from the vets or for the love of all that's holy have an ADV or lower game mode or just be prepared to become a "coulda been" failure on the scale of MAG and Brink.
I don't know if you've noticed lately, but public matches are more difficult than the Faction Warfare matches now. If you are looking for "easier mode" go play faction warfare. Public matches are no longer the easy mode.
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steadyhand amarr
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
2184
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:23:00 -
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Odd iv being winning most my pub matches lately and i solo??? Maybe ur juat as bad as your bluedots?? Would be the first leet player who acts like the team revoloves round him rather blending in
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
151
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Posted - 2014.01.22 22:31:00 -
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BattleCry1791 wrote:Ya know CCP, I've been telling you this since the beta, but you just don't ******* get it do you?
They are not out of beta - that's a CCP lie. That is why they can't keep a player base maybe? EVE and Dust are still not connected to the level they promised. So how can it not be beta if we are still testing new stuff and getting respecs just like Beta.
The patches are still not upgrading the game.. just game mechanics. A finished games updates updates game mechanics and also develops the storyline of the game. The storyline is not updating because we are still just building game mechanics like a BETA. |
Kira Takizawa
2Shitz 1Giggle
104
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Posted - 2014.01.22 23:33:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms.
This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time.
Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better.
/thread Teams mean nothing most of the time it's who can spam more or have better gear..
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soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
662
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:11:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:If you actually know what you're doing you can capture a single point and hold it alone. :/ Unless there's a full proto team on the other end, then that's just diddly-winks. You can't blame others for failing to do what you failed to do, cause that's hypocrisy.
Also what is hypocritical is to say that all blue dots are morons. Yet YOU are a blue dot, claiming intelligence of others, thereby invalidating your statement of competency with your own statement of ignorance. :/ See how it kind of loops on itself there?
Hey bro. Yes you. You do realize that the op was in PFBHz right? Perhaps you have heard of that corp. While it may no longer be around, most folks that have been here a long time have heard of that corp. Know your dust history before you jack your jaw.
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
2710
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:16:00 -
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BattleCry1791 wrote:
5) The only EvE they are familiar with is "Summer's"
Laughter explosion
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
[email protected]
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
2711
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:22:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms.
This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time.
Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better.
/thread
Excuse me but the OP made some points that are valid. Squad Finder is not the medicine for all. I run solo and join squads. I love to run solo to enhance my skills and to also join in random squads. The sad truth is, I'm leaving matches in the first minute because it seems that some of these blue dots out here just don't have it in them. If they aren't winning, they will give up and run for the hills. That's after the objective has been taken back for the first time! I could go on and on.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
[email protected]
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:37:00 -
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BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote:BattleCry1791 wrote:
Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17.
It is impossible to have a negative kdr. In your example, 1/17 = 1 divided by 17 = 0.0588235294117647 repeated which can never be negative. In the very least aspect, kdr can be 0, but nothing less than that. also, LOL'd
I think you need to learn about "ratios" and how the term "negative" applies to them. |
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
248
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:39:00 -
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I am CptKirby and I agree with this thread.
The not Logic Bomb!
-->We need better comms!<--
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:41:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:do you feel better now?
I've had bad games, and lord knows I've had massively incompetent blueberrys, and I've had matches where I've been the massively incompetent blueberry. nothing goes right and I die a lot. so it goes.
channel the anger into something constructive, not this crap. I had a thread in the rookie training grounds about dropship etiquette. it was mildly successful and I think one of the cool mercs who lead a training corp ended up sending it out to all the new bros in his corp. when I typed it I was livid, I was an atom bomb in a volcano about to explode. but rather than calling everyone around me an idiot as I was so, so inclined to do I assumed that they simply didn't know better. I have no idea how many people read it or if any of them listened, but if one, only one person listened it was a success.
I still regard that thread as one of my favorite forum posts.
I read it, it helped me not be one of those dumb blueberries. I am not stupid, I was ignorant. That is fixable. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1004
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:42:00 -
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AP Grasshopper wrote:BattleCry1791 wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Did someone join Spambush? You should know better by now that nyan San/chan go there to pad their kdr Skirmish with some DOM mixed in. 5 hours...maybe 5 or 6 wins. It was like every time I was on the side that didn't have the 4-6 tryhards. Some games I had no choice after loosing two or three tanks to hot tank on tank on tank on tank action reducing my Gunnlogi's and Madrugar's to so much scrap...I just grabbed a free suit and AFK farmed while surfing the net. After I while I even quit being mad....I was simply amazed. Maybe your 1/16th of the problem Oooooooppooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! SNAP!
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
4165
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:46:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Use the squad finder. Don't play as a solo random with other solo randoms.
This game has never been intended to be a "solo random game". If you insist on playing as a solo random, then you deserve to get proto stomped by coordinated teamplayers every time.
Quit whining, quit playing as a solo random, get better.
/thread Then why the **** would CCP let anyone join games solo in the first place?
******* dumbass.....the problem isn't as much that people don't use "teamwork", it's mostly the lolAcademy and matchmaking. Couple that with the fact that noobs have no idea what does what, and they will quit in less than an hour.
Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:48:00 -
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I feel your pain and share your frustration BUT you kind of lost me with the blaming of all the other blueberries. That's your team and they aren't trying to suck just to **** you off. |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
4165
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:49:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:do you feel better now?
I've had bad games, and lord knows I've had massively incompetent blueberrys, and I've had matches where I've been the massively incompetent blueberry. nothing goes right and I die a lot. so it goes.
channel the anger into something constructive, not this crap. I had a thread in the rookie training grounds about dropship etiquette. it was mildly successful and I think one of the cool mercs who lead a training corp ended up sending it out to all the new bros in his corp. when I typed it I was livid, I was an atom bomb in a volcano about to explode. but rather than calling everyone around me an idiot as I was so, so inclined to do I assumed that they simply didn't know better. I have no idea how many people read it or if any of them listened, but if one, only one person listened it was a success.
I still regard that thread as one of my favorite forum posts. Most of the noobs in this game are idiots. Half of what they need to know is just common FPS knowledge. In what game will shooting a tank or flying vehicle do any damage? In what game will shooting friendlies help you in any way?
Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
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Lazy Scumbag
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:54:00 -
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BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote:BattleCry1791 wrote:
Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17.
It is impossible to have a negative kdr. In your example, 1/17 = 1 divided by 17 = 0.0588235294117647 repeated which can never be negative. In the very least aspect, kdr can be 0, but nothing less than that. also, LOL'd
Now I have to test it... I'm gonna make an alt, and not shoot anyone. Ever. |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1218
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Posted - 2014.01.23 01:55:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:knight of 6 wrote:do you feel better now?
I've had bad games, and lord knows I've had massively incompetent blueberrys, and I've had matches where I've been the massively incompetent blueberry. nothing goes right and I die a lot. so it goes.
channel the anger into something constructive, not this crap. I had a thread in the rookie training grounds about dropship etiquette. it was mildly successful and I think one of the cool mercs who lead a training corp ended up sending it out to all the new bros in his corp. when I typed it I was livid, I was an atom bomb in a volcano about to explode. but rather than calling everyone around me an idiot as I was so, so inclined to do I assumed that they simply didn't know better. I have no idea how many people read it or if any of them listened, but if one, only one person listened it was a success.
I still regard that thread as one of my favorite forum posts. I read it, it helped me not be one of those dumb blueberries. I am not stupid, I was ignorant. That is fixable.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout.
CLOSED BETA VET
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Espartoi
Zero-Day Attack Zero-Day
7
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Posted - 2014.01.23 02:02:00 -
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The complete post has no sense is just whining. If the day matches sucks or you just have a bad luck stop playing take a rest and do something more productive. |
Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
215
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Posted - 2014.01.23 02:11:00 -
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BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote:BattleCry1791 wrote:
Today was just horrible...I saw whole teams (not in tanks) go negative 5 or 6 times. And not kind of negative. I mean 1/17.
It is impossible to have a negative kdr. In your example, 1/17 = 1 divided by 17 = 0.0588235294117647 repeated which can never be negative. In the very least aspect, kdr can be 0, but nothing less than that. also, LOL'd
Net change, smartass. |
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