They're not broken..










:P

Because I'm tired of being two shot out of the air before I can even react.

but theyre not, its just damage mods dont have a stacking penalty as i understand, really thought they are huge weapons they should do maybe a bit more damage but have WAY slower rate of fire, or maybe do damage to the tank the more you fire while getting closer to overheating

no they shouldnt be able to fire superfast because thats eve and we're in the future, if it were like that the madrugar should be unkillable up close with a super turret and a full flight of attack drones to control

Railguns are at an extreme disadvantage against infantry, just like other forms of AV.

A Sica/Gunnlogi with 2-3xDMG Mods is built to wreck any/all vehicles that get caught and stay in it's sights. The same tank is also called a -Glass Cannon- and has MUCH less bite with those mods on CD. Not to mention it has poor EHP and a sitting duck for other tanks. Perhaps even the Assault Dropship that then flies over to the tank and proceeds pop proto-grade missiles for at best a Shooting Range target in difficulty. Quack Quack.

Dropships that "deserve" to live are those that utilize cover to evade such firepower. Moving in open sky is not cover and just comes down to can you fly sporadically enough till the clip is empty or the gun overheats.

Tank drivers almost always get killed with their tank, dropship pilots rarely do.

Railguns are at an extreme disadvantage against infantry, just like other forms of AV.

Rails got caught in a snag. Tankers actually didn't consider the railgun when they complained for their buff.
With 40% and 60% hardeners, what did you expect? Railguns are used for AV mainly so they needed a crazy buff to deal with the hardeners.

Nobody complained about rails in 1.6 because it was a classic case of only focusing on what your weaknesses as a player were and expecting CCP to fix them for you.

It was mainly blaster tankers that complained. They just wanted an easy-button to mow down infantry with and got mad when the infantry pulled out AV to fight back. You could build Rail tanks in 1.6 that could explode tanks into pieces in 1-2 shots, but tankers didn't care to use them, they wanted their easy-button blaster turrets. They never could see the big picture for tanks, AV, all vehicles, and the game as a whole...

You hate rail guns? Blame the crybaby tankers that couldn't deal with the fact that they only wanted them to be all powerful, but nothing else. Tankers hate anything that can outplay them, but don't say a word when they have obvious advantages.

Tankers now tell AV to "get good"... but pre-1.7, if you told them "get good" they backlashed with excuses. Now you can pop a tank with a militia rail and they complain more because they think nothing should ever counter them, ever.

And Dropships get caught in the crossfire because tankers never looked at the big picture.

Railgun is nothing....

I'd be more worried about Minmatar Artillery Cannons...

OR Amarrian Beam Laser turret's shooting one consistent beam at the dropship.

Look how long it took for us to get racial heavies and scouts, you really think CCP will get us that stuff any time soon?

Squad............ with............... a................... *head explodes*

He...........Was but I could not find and kill the tank in the time it took for him to fire 2 shots, I did kill the Particle accelerator Twice and the Aurum tank/turret Particle cannon twice though I died three times because if there was a moment I was in a bad position with a hardener down or right after killing an enemy tank he would swoop in.

I can still go a good 10-0 vs. Infantry, a good game and some tank destructions 16-20/0

Dropships that "deserve" to live are those that utilize cover to evade such firepower. Moving in open sky is not cover ....

Not really a problem when you're sitting in the redline.

Only thing I am concerned about is if the rail alpha damage or rate of fire is nerfed now, and in a couple years the proto hulls are released, there won't be a counter to some blaster builds being god mode. These are now proto turrets vs standard hulls ( in tank vs tank )

Only thing I am concerned about is if the rail alpha damage or rate of fire is nerfed now, and in a couple years the proto hulls are released, there won't be a counter to some blaster builds being god mode. These are now proto turrets vs standard hulls ( in tank vs tank )

What are you talking about? Cover? Lets looks at that shall we......Border Gulch. The red zone is the airspace above 20 meters and up to 382 meters that a rail tank parked at the yellow dot can hit. All maps are like this. There is a tiny bit of cover at best and when actually doing a dropships job there is effectively none.

Range from the redline? This is a death at 624 meters from a tank 130 metres into the redline.

How about elevation? Fine is it? Look at the green. At 566 meters away you can hit a dropship 200meters into the air. What does the world look like to us at 200 m? This. Or in words a tiny spec below that we can not even attempt to interfere with.

What do we look to a tank at 450 meters? Big and easy to hit.

Before you condemn Dropships or their pilots you need to ensure you really grasp the issues they face. Rails need a balance pass. There are good reasons why. Many base our opinions on the matter on solid and careful analysis. We are not just making stuff up.

You have been Judged

See we need long range rails, but the maps are a bit small and I just don't think the developers have the resources to address the maps at this stage. The maps are the main issue. But they exist and they are all we have.. I don't want to nerf rails. Without them dropships are missing a counter and tanks are likely to feel less fear.

The big issue is the redline. If they are forced out then pilots and infantry can send other tanks or AV players to go sort them out. So We need to look to realistic fixes that the developers can do until such time can be found to sort the redline and the maps.

I would limit the elevation. MAYBE as far as down to 14 degrees. This is to balance against dropships. At 14 degrees they could hit a dropship that was 100m up from 400 meters away Note that above 100 m we are next to being zero threat). Remember rails are balanced against tanks so leaving them their power but stopping them swatting a dropship with ease would stem some of the complaints. Dropships have swarms and forges to worry about too.

A LONG video on this topic from me will be out on the 21st (2 days time) The script is 7000 words long. so the comments in this post are a rather abbreviated form of my solutions. Only the video will give the full picture.

ROF seems a touch fast too. Might need to reign that back a bit.

I want nothing done to elevation, without a red line the tanks die quickly with no chance to aim up, it's ******* stupid. Fix the red line, do not **** with the elevation, we need an increase tbf.

I want nothing done to elevation, without a red line the tanks die quickly with no chance to aim up, it's ******* stupid. Fix the red line, do not **** with the elevation, we need an increase tbf.

So tanks should have an increased ability to fight dropships because otherwise they actually might kill you. Would you like railgun rotation speed matched to a blaster too because clearly a blaster tank getting close enough to you where rotation speed is a problem for a rail tank obviously unfair.

Don't blame the dropship for doing it's job correctly.

So tanks should have an increased ability to fight dropships because otherwise they actually might kill you. Would you like railgun rotation speed matched to a blaster too because clearly a blaster tank getting close enough to you where rotation speed is a problem for a rail tank obviously unfair.

Don't blame the dropship for doing it's job correctly.

"Don't blame a dropship for doing it's job correctly." I don't see any troops dropping out of it, I don't see it transporting anyone, pretty sure the dropship is a TRANSPORT vehicle (which needs more HP btw). I'm not saying an Aerial Vehicle shouldn't have the advantage over a ground vehicle, it should, but people crying about the tanks elevation is ******* ********, the only way I've been able to kil Assault Dropships recently is using the redline because otherwise I get done in, and my heavy gets two shotted by the missiles with no problem.

But yeah, tanks are the OP things. suuuuure.