The problem is there is really no way to stop district locking. You can only make it cost ISK at best. Just one of the flaws in the system as long as passive ISK exists and even if you remove passive ISK it can still be a thing.

The problem with PC is that the mechanics of it allow for small groups of players to dominate it with the 16vs16 and the 24 to 48 hour timers. I donGÇÖt think many people have a real grasp of what that means. When Eon controlled Molden Heath there were very few players doing the heavy lifting when considering the overall number of players involved.

Ringing started a situation where you would spend 160-240 million ISK attacking a district. In the last battle to take a district it was guaranteed that the match would be filled with an all-star team. This quickly whittled away at the number of players that were willing to participate and put up with this. By the end of EonGÇÖs reign many corps had pulled completely out of PC. 100s of billions of ISK was being generated with little to no fighting. Corps willing to take that on risked the infighting and implosion that resulted in the death of many corps.

There was a push by a random mix of players and corps in an effort called the F Eon Coalition. Massive numbers of attacks were dropped on their districts. Despite the bravado from Eon, they dried up and went inactive within weeks of this push. Districts were sold and traded and farming began.

Fast forward a few months and Ancient Exiles and Nyan San control the majority of Molden Heath. You are talking about 200 players with the active numbers much, much lower. These corps are pulling in levels of ISK that is game breaking due to mechanics that are crap. They are great players, amazing even but how long does a game mode sit unfinished while a select few go largely unchecked and racking in more money per day than the vast majority of Dust pulls in COMBINED on a daily basis.

IGÇÖve proposed in the War Room to remove passive ISK totally from PC.

Districts would be attackable every day with a 30 minute to 1 hr timer beginning at the time of attack. Corps could set a downtime window of 8-12 hours that effectively lock the district.

- successful defenses increase a payout multiplier

- successful attacks have a 2x multiplier

- successful, multi attack district flips increasing exponentially along the way.

If IGÇÖve got 80 people only and we want to go do some PC we should be able to launch some attacks and go have some fun. Not launch some attacks and 24 to 48 hours later hope that weGÇÖve got the right people online.

I also propose that ringers from outside of the alliance cost ISK, call it a clone transport fee. And it should be expensive.
District locking is the only thing keeping Molden Heath from being 100% dominated by an active group of less than 200 players. I agree that itGÇÖs bullshit, but I put that on CCP for a failed game mode. Planetary Conquest should be removed and replaced with corporate battles until PC 2.0 is released.

Been discussing this (profitable District Locking) at some length with the CPM and also with the relevant devs. Something we're aware of and hoping to address. Would love to get this in for 1.8 but not sure if the teams will have the time - will keep you posted when we know more.

I made a thread of idea's to decrease district locking capabilities and make it easier to counter overall. Negative impacts would only include 26-27 clone pack immunity and 24 hour moving clones/cool downs. Also, a suggestion for more info regarding when battles take place view-able from the star map.

That's good, but what about the 24 hr timer?

I love how none of you scrubs even realise how locking districts works.

No corp i know of exploits dual corp locking anymore, as few corps even realise how, let alone want to unnecessarily waste isk doing so.

If you think once you have a district you can just permanently lock it you're seriously retard3d.

As for district locks themselves they need to stay for the exact reason they were created, if you had to fight for a district everyday nonstop it would mean powerful, big corps would overrun every smaller one while small corps were unable to sell or produce enough clones to even fight back and keep districts. In other words you wouldn't be able to produce enough clones while rich corps bought clone packs to whittle you down and take your districts with ease.

As it is now, its the same except you can have every other day for free to stock up on clones to prepare for attacks, which is why we have some non alliance corps with districts now(and because we choose not to take too many districts).

Also, locking doesn't help big corps with lots of districts anyways, as we saw with EoN, a massive attack can just be launched during the unlocked times anyways.

Looking forward to PC 2.0. Hopefully it'll open up new doors in PC. The current state of it is quite brutal. If you're not in a big alliance, or blue with a big alliance, holding land is impossible. Not to say I'm QQ'ing about it, it's a war game and that's how war games are played. I'd just like to see some changes made to PC where smaller corps can get into some action without being the underdogs 99% of the time. It doesn't help that the majority of the big corps blue with each other to take out the small fish either, and almost never actually fight.

Looking forward to PC 2.0. Hopefully it'll open up new doors in PC. The current state of it is quite brutal. If you're not in a big alliance, or blue with a big alliance, holding land is impossible. Not to say I'm QQ'ing about it, it's a war game and that's how war games are played. I'd just like to see some changes made to PC where smaller corps can get into some action without being the underdogs 99% of the time. It doesn't help that the majority of the big corps blue with each other to take out the small fish either, and almost never actually fight. Not to mention the smaller corps hiring full teams of ringers to take districts from corps without fielding all but one player from their own corp. There should be some kind of requirement of how many of your own corp players need to be in a PC battle. If you can't field the majority of a team you shouldn't be able to hold districts.

This x1000 as well. I used to be pretty hard core about corps using their own players, but all the BS I mentioned earlier forced people to rely on friends and allies out of necessity.

I'm not talking trash but look at the situation Pradox got into. You guys took a bunch of land using a lot of ringers from a powerful corp. When **** hit the fan they bounced and seemingly hurt a lot of the recruiting momentum your corp had going.

Some of these scenarios above take the drama down a notch and insert the possibility of a better fun/drama ratio.

I'm really looking forward to PC 2.0.

Been discussing this (profitable District Locking) at some length with the CPM and also with the relevant devs. Something we're aware of and hoping to address. Would love to get this in for 1.8 but not sure if the teams will have the time - will keep you posted when we know more.

On 1/16/14 roughly 720 Million ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

On 1/17/14 roughly 756 Million ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

On 1/18/14 roughly 816 Million ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

On 1/19/14 roughly 852 Million ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

On 1/20/14 roughly 864 Million ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

On 1/21/14 roughly 972 Million ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

On 1/22/14 roughly 1,008,000,000 ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

Want to know more?

Dust Charts

Running total since ISK tracking started :

7 days - 5,988,000,000 ISK

I think the change is very good as an immediate fix.

It is definitely needed to curb farming before the economies are properly linked, otherwise the risk of a single coalition using PC as an isk printer for EVE is reality.

I'm sure the possibility of self attacking and killing clones for district lockdowns on frontline planets, to simultaneously generate relatively decent clone kill income from own killed clones, has been examined and calculated? It would be the obvious exploit I'd run to suggest to a coalition. Just cba thinking through if it's viable :)

On 1/16/14 roughly 720 Million ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

On 1/17/14 roughly 756 Million ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

On 1/18/14 roughly 816 Million ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

On 1/19/14 roughly 852 Million ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

On 1/20/14 roughly 864 Million ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

On 1/21/14 roughly 972 Million ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

On 1/22/14 roughly 1,008,000,000 ISK or more was potentially generated at NO RISK of district loss due to this exploit that may or may not be fixed any time soon.

Want to know more?

Dust Charts

Running total since ISK tracking started :

7 days - 5,988,000,000 ISK

TL:DR = somehow there are people who play this game that think District Locking is OK and can be a good thing. These individuals will likely possess the notion that "some griefing is good for the game" as well. These individuals should be shunned, habitually made fun of and ridiculed.

TL:DR = somehow there are people who play this game that think District Locking is OK and can be a good thing. These individuals will likely possess the notion that "some griefing is good for the game" as well. These individuals should be shunned, habitually made fun of and ridiculed.

No it wouldnt
Sure there would be the initial land rush at the start but eventually you end up with the same problem of the richest corps sitting there locking districts

Not to just blame people for it all though, PC itself is fundamentally broken

If more Dust players understood and cared to really look at PC and implications of so few controlling so much of the economy it would enrage them. Especially when they are scraping by to profit in pubs. It blows my mind that CCP thought BPOs were damaging to the economy, but continue to leave PC largely unchanged for over 8 months.

There should be a revolt on the forums to have PC removed until PC 2.0 is developed and it should be replaced with corp battles to allow for competitive gameplay.

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Off topic rant: PC is broken as hell (lag, timers, district locking). Then "elite" players go around waving their e-peen on the forums about others not being in PC and that those players doesn-¦t matter, etc. These e-peen waving asshats can not wrap their head around the fact that other mercs realized that PC was not worth their time ONE DAY after it was released. It is amusing that so many endured this laggy crap of a game mode so much that they actually got burnt out IRL. What kind of masochists are these people?!

Lag in PC has been drastically reduced. CCP deserves to be credited with this.

To make PC easier for smaller corps...introduce a clone pack that is cheap...but can only be fielded by the purchasing corp....no ringers? Then small time corps can easily bring assaults on larger ones without such an isk sink.
Trying to be of a solution.

Lag in PC has been drastically reduced. CCP deserves to be credited with this.

To make PC easier for smaller corps...introduce a clone pack that is cheap...but can only be fielded by the purchasing corp....no ringers? Then small time corps can easily bring assaults on larger ones without such an isk sink.
Trying to be of a solution.

People who have spent months watching their new recruits grow and spent hours upon hours training are not in the slightest bit interested in ringers, its not fair on said newer players who have grinded for months either.

I'm just saying because it seems to be greatly misunderstood that ringers makes months of time spent wasted for corps that really have built from scratch that contain either 1 or 2 recycled players at most or none at all.

Again I'm just saying mate.