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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
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Posted - 2014.01.10 06:16:00 -
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I wouldn't buy Aurum, and I won't purchase boosters, but I'd pay 5 bucks for a million SP.
I have shortly reached a point where I feel like I'm wasting my time grinding away on the battlefield waiting for the next 3% upgrade that I can achieve in two weeks time (or more). I'd rather just skip playing altogether and find another game to enjoy while my passive SP accumulates.
Why would I want to continue playing a game that takes so long to level up? The payoff just isn't worthwhile.
Grundstein Automation
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Tonka Legacy
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo
31
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Posted - 2014.01.10 06:27:00 -
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Clone D wrote:I wouldn't buy Aurum, and I won't purchase boosters, but I'd pay 5 bucks for a million SP.
I have shortly reached a point where I feel like I'm wasting my time grinding away on the battlefield waiting for the next 3% upgrade that I can achieve in two weeks time (or more). I'd rather just skip playing altogether and find another game to enjoy while my passive SP accumulates.
Why would I want to continue playing a game that takes so long to level up? The payoff just isn't worthwhile. I wouldn't mind paying for sp either, but think of all the die hard dust players who spend Aur on a daily basis. They would have everything. But i'd also pay 5 for 10mil isk.
Why does my shotgun shoot confetti? Its like I'm throwing parties for my victims.
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
26
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Posted - 2014.01.10 06:42:00 -
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Tonka Legacy wrote: But i'd also pay 5 for 10mil isk.
Good call. Here's a list of things for which I would fork over my hard earned cash.
1 million SP = 5$ Blueprint standard dropsuit = 5$ Blueprint advanced dropsuit = 10$ Blueprint proto dropsuit = 15$ ... Continue for each section of gear and vehicles with pricing appropriate to utility.
I will never pay for microtransactions. If I buy something digital, then I expect to use it permanently. This game is too absurd to spend money on microtransactions.
I like getting into the game, but I want to play for a reasonable amount of time and still have a powerful loadout.
Currently I just play with militia gear all the time, because I don't want to care about how hard it is to earn ISK for expensive suits that will get demolished 1 second after spawning into an orbital strike.
Grundstein Automation
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Julius Vindice
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
313
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Posted - 2014.01.10 07:01:00 -
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So how much would you fork over for 620 million?
Julius Vindice... "Chase knowledge, not passion".
I may suck at things but at least I can make people mad.
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Sophie DV
Mind Games For Party Animals
13
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Posted - 2014.01.10 07:11:00 -
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As much as i understand your reasoning, I doubt Dust will ever let you buy any adv or proto level blueprint original - it goes against the whole risk-vs-reward system that the Eve universe revolves around.
I've been playing since partway through the closed beta, and it's my opinion that with enough experience, you'll appreciate the skills more if you have to wait to train them, and you'll also appreciate the more powerful suits the more you play with the militia ones.
I just think that there need to be some more games modes where orbitals arent 'free' (faction warfare orbitals are quite uncommon, actually.)
Paying for ISK i think they could/should do - in Eve they do that with Plexes and it works fine. Maybe once they open up the player market, they could allow you to sell the skill boosters? In a way, they are Dust's "subscription time" and should probably maintain a high ISK value. That way, buying $5 worth of boosters should net you a decent chunk of ISK on-demand; it also keeps the payout proportional to the current ISK inflation/deflation value.
Also regarding your final comment, I'd suggest trying STD gear - I use a STD minmatar logistics suit with 2 enhanced armor extenders for extra HP and 2 complex (but enhanced would work too) light damage modifiers in the high slots. It's like using a slightly less versatile proto suit, but it costs less than 25k and isn't hugely skill intensive.
Just my 0.02 isk. |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
309
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Posted - 2014.01.10 07:12:00 -
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Julius Vindice wrote:So how much would you fork over for 620 million? i'd give 10.2k aurum for 1.2 million sp or something
I use a tablet so beware of typos
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
26
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Posted - 2014.01.10 07:33:00 -
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Sophie DV wrote:I've been playing since partway through the closed beta, and it's my opinion that with enough experience, you'll appreciate the skills more if you have to wait to train them, and you'll also appreciate the more powerful suits the more you play with the militia ones.
Sophie, I like and understand everything you said, and I appreciate your perspective. Here's where I'm coming from. I'm a working adult, and I don't have time to sit around trying to earn more SP so that I can upgrade my loadout. My philisophical stance is this:
Why should you have better gear than I do just because you've been playing the game longer?
It is digital, ethereal, electronically generated equipment we are playing with. It's not like working out at the gym to develop superior physical musculature. I want to pay cash so that I can have character skill levels and equipment that rival someone who has time to play day in and day out. When it comes to game knowledge and thumb/finger dexterity, I'm sure that my personal skills and practical knowledge are on par with my opponents. I just want the chance to fight without being at a disadvantage because of gear.
Yes, we have all learned our lesson that Dust 514 = injustice. I am not shedding tears here, because personally, this ridiculous game makes me laugh so hard. I'm just stating my case that I would gladly pay for some SP since I don't want to spend my life hours earning points in a video game.
Grundstein Automation
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Valerie Viever
Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy
43
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Posted - 2014.01.10 07:50:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Sophie DV wrote:I've been playing since partway through the closed beta, and it's my opinion that with enough experience, you'll appreciate the skills more if you have to wait to train them, and you'll also appreciate the more powerful suits the more you play with the militia ones. Sophie, I like and understand everything you said, and I appreciate your perspective. Here's where I'm coming from. I'm a working adult, and I don't have time to sit around trying to earn more SP so that I can upgrade my loadout. My philisophical stance is this: Why should you have better gear than I do just because you've been playing the game longer? It is digital, ethereal, electronically generated equipment we are playing with. It's not like working out at the gym to develop superior physical musculature. I want to pay cash so that I can have character skill levels and equipment that rival someone who has time to play day in and day out. When it comes to game knowledge and thumb/finger dexterity, I'm sure that my personal skills and practical knowledge are on par with my opponents. I just want the chance to fight without being at a disadvantage because of gear. Yes, we have all learned our lesson that Dust 514 = injustice. I am not shedding tears here, because personally, this ridiculous game makes me laugh so hard. I'm just stating my case that I would gladly pay for some SP since I don't want to spend my life hours earning points in a video game.
I'm also a working adult with two full time jobs, and let me be frank. Ccp will never implement this. It goes against everything they've built this game and Eve Online, on. I've been playing for 6 or 7 months, and I don't cap most weeks, but I've spent my sp wisely and make do with what I am good at. I don't want to come off as a troll but that's what the game is about, the long haul. Play at your pace and if you don't like the grind, then find another game that gives you instant gratification. Nothing against you, but I really feel like it just may not be the game for you. My point is that even with semi regular play, you can still fit a reasonable load out and win.
Just prioritize what skills you need and don't spend the points frivolously. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
2030
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Posted - 2014.01.10 08:03:00 -
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I'd buy 10 mil or more sp per month, that's buttons.
No.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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Valerie Viever
Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy
43
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Posted - 2014.01.10 08:08:00 -
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Yea, I mean if you could purchase sp, what would stop someone from maxing out their sp. You'd only exasperate the problem in that instead of proto stomps, you'd have 100 million sp super soldiers on the other side. |
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The Rolling Stone
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 08:21:00 -
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Valerie Viever wrote:
I'm also a working adult with two full time jobs, and let me be frank. Ccp will never implement this. It goes against everything they've built this game and Eve Online, on. I've been playing for 6 or 7 months, and I don't cap most weeks, but I've spent my sp wisely and make do with what I am good at. I don't want to come off as a troll but that's what the game is about, the long haul. Play at your pace and if you don't like the grind, then find another game that gives you instant gratification. Nothing against you, but I really feel like it just may not be the game for you. My point is that even with semi regular play, you can still fit a reasonable load out and win.
Just prioritize what skills you need and don't spend the points frivolously.
Nuff said .
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Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2390
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Posted - 2014.01.10 09:17:00 -
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Clone D wrote:I wouldn't buy Aurum, and I won't purchase boosters, but I'd pay 5 bucks for a million SP.
Well good for you because its never going to happen. Keep on dreaming!
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1327
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Posted - 2014.01.10 11:59:00 -
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Passive SP boosters... A 7 day one will get you approximately 84000 SP.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2396
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Posted - 2014.01.10 12:02:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Passive SP boosters... A 7 day one will get you approximately 84000 SP.
This^^
Also: 30 day passive boosters net you just over 1 million SP per month!
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X7 lion
Swamp Marines
66
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Posted - 2014.01.10 12:46:00 -
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how about no. |
Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
74
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:12:00 -
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Clone D wrote: Why should you have better gear than I do just because you've been playing the game longer?
I'm sorry but ^this^ is sarcasm right?
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
357
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:13:00 -
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Is there any game with experience and levels that lets you buy either of those?
Besides phone games, of course.
Amarr HAV Speculation
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Tonka Legacy
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo
32
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:16:00 -
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what if we changed the topic to isk? You can't really get an unfair edge over others with money, money isn't going to help you tap that trigger to shoot. It could be used for PC purposes, restocking if your dangerously low on everything, helping out new corp members, attracting the gold digging female mercs, and paying for skill books.
Why does my shotgun shoot confetti? Its like I'm throwing parties for my victims.
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X7 lion
Swamp Marines
66
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:18:00 -
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Arx Ardashir wrote:Is there any game with experience and levels that lets you buy either of those?
Besides phone games, of course. Assinss creed multiplayer (sort of) *CRYS* |
Tonka Legacy
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo
32
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:30:00 -
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Arx Ardashir wrote:Is there any game with experience and levels that lets you buy either of those?
Besides phone games, of course. they use to promote double xp on every bottlecap of a mountain dew for MW3...since the things were a dollar for the mountain dew, 2 hours per cap, people abused it. now Imagine this; bottlecap=X2 exp, Specialist (in game perk system)X2 more exp, moab (for obtaining a 25 kill streak)X2 more sp. total that up n you got 600exp per kill in a team deathmatch, or 3000exp per kill in search in destroy (not that you would ever get a moab in that sorry mode.....And now you know, And knowing is half the battle.
G.I.JOE!!!
Why does my shotgun shoot confetti? Its like I'm throwing parties for my victims.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
1195
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:41:00 -
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I hate to say it but the OP is under the impression that he is one of the few working adults who play this game making him feel entitled to an alternate route to success. This is unfortunately misguided since many of us long time players (and many of us who cap every week) are adults with real lives and jobs. We like the game enough to earn our SP by playing regularly and we deserve to have more of it than a person who devotes less time to the game.
Additionally Pay to Win mechanics would be horribly abused as others pointed out.
Fun > Realism
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
26
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Posted - 2014.01.10 14:07:00 -
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I can appreciate what you are saying. People generally feel entitled to what they have earned when they devote time to an endeavor, whether that be social status or material.
But if you want realism, then consider this: in life, people who are willing to pay to bypass waiting in line do so and get on with their lives a lot faster. Why do you think they sell speed passes for theme parks? Why do you think they sell college degrees?
The issue of sinking weeks of time into the next 777k upgrade for +3% implies psychological addiction. I have limited time to be alive and the tradeoff of running the XP mill is simply too expensive for me.
It is a fun game, and I would be willing to play it a couple of hours per week, not work at it like a part-time/full-time job.
I've calculated the amount of SP I need to build the character that I would like to try. I may as well let passive SP accumulate for 1.5 years and then come back to play, which I will likely do.
Grundstein Automation
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
26
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Posted - 2014.01.10 14:34:00 -
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The day that CCP decommissions the servers, all of the time that you labored over this game evaporates.
Personally, I'd rather commit my precious hours to building things that last; a healthier body, a stronger social network, an enduring bond between me and my sweetheart, an expansive worldview.
I would pay a few bucks to get what I want out of this game, but I wouldn't pay with a significant portion of my life.
Grundstein Automation
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Hyborean Strain
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.01.10 14:45:00 -
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There is no way this is ever going to happen. If it did, it wouldn't be Eve anymore. You say that you don't think people who've been playing longer/harder, putting more work into their character should have more SP than you. I think they should.
Eve purposefully mirrors life in that regard; hard work is rewarded more than just sitting around twiddling your thumbs. If you don't think that the active SP gains are worth the investment of your time, then you should do something else. Simple cost/benefit analysis. Besides, Dust offers a bit of a cheat when it comes to boosters. They are selling what you're asking for, just not at the price and delivery method that you want. It's your choice whether or not you want to take advantage of it.
Clone D wrote:
I've calculated the amount of SP I need to build the character that I would like to try. I may as well let passive SP accumulate for 1.5 years and then come back to play, which I will likely do.
I suggest you do this. |
Clone D
Grundstein Automation
26
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Posted - 2014.01.10 14:53:00 -
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Hyborean Strain wrote:I suggest you do this.
It is a matter of personal values. I respect our differences and I have a new appreciation of this community and the members who feel adamantly about their time commitment to this game.
I am simply pointing out that there is an untapped revenue stream available to CCP via a simple product offering. I see that many members are strongly opposed to the idea, and therefore I withdraw my petition.
Waiting a year and a half is not a problem.
Peace
Grundstein Automation
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
370
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:03:00 -
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Your doing it wrong If your just playing to level up then what? If you're having fun then cool you'll get that sp wile having fun If you're not having fun,that extra sp wont make a difference
Btw dust isn't ptw
Proud Christian
one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
26
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:29:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote: If you're not having fun,that extra sp wont make a difference
I only play for fun, and there is a concept called need for competence that describes how when your learning curve plateaus, then you seek a new challenge.
My militia gear learning curve has plateaued, and the only thing keeping me from the next level is SP.
It is a shining example of classic conditioning.
You hear a bell, you salvate, but there is no food. You have been tamed by CCP and are not thinking rationally.
Grundstein Automation
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Bunny Demon
Scions of Athra
59
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:10:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Tonka Legacy wrote: But i'd also pay 5 for 10mil isk. Good call. Here's a list of things for which I would fork over my hard earned cash. 1 million SP = 5$ Blueprint standard dropsuit = 5$ Blueprint advanced dropsuit = 10$ Blueprint proto dropsuit = 15$ ... Continue for each section of gear and vehicles with pricing appropriate to utility. I will never pay for microtransactions. If I buy something digital, then I expect to use it permanently. This game is too absurd to spend money on microtransactions. I like getting into the game, but I want to play for a reasonable amount of time and still have a powerful loadout. Currently I just play with militia gear all the time, because I don't want to care about how hard it is to earn ISK for expensive suits that will get demolished 1 second after spawning into an orbital strike. Soooo what you're saying is..you don't care much about isk so you can give it to me
Amarr logi ftw :D
(Also...ScR is pretty good)
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2676
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:45:00 -
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I'm a working adult with limited time, but I manage to cap out each week. I've been doing it long enough to get 30M SP.
Having to put in your time is part of what makes DUST what it is. Money can shorten that time by a third (standard boosters) and a boat load of money can cut it in half (Omega boosters), but there is no instant SP injection.
I understand your desire to cut in line by waving a wad of bills and I'd be tempted to do the same if the option were available, but it would ultimately backfire for me. Once I "Had everything" I'd be more likely to lose interest and move on to something else. The journey is a good deal of the experience, and skipping it to reach the "destination" robs the game of a good deal of what it has to offer.
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
76
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:46:00 -
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Clone D wrote:I only play for fun, and there is a concept called need for competence that describes how when your learning curve plateaus, then you seek a new challenge.
My militia gear learning curve has plateaued, and the only thing keeping me from the next level is SP.
It is a shining example of classic conditioning.
You hear a bell, you salivate, but there is no food. You have been tamed by CCP and are not thinking rationally.
Try playing with different loadouts keep it a bit more interesting till you can get the next lvl gear, or yes just leave passive to build and come back later (that's what I do).
I would have to agree that a decent portion of players are well conditioned, check the forums for the "OMG another 3x SP event now I HAVE to play 30+ hrs to cap". It's how CCP makes their money.
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