DUST Search - I'd pay 5 bucks for 1 million Skill Points

Clone D wrote:

Sophie DV wrote:

I've been playing since partway through the closed beta, and it's my opinion that with enough experience, you'll appreciate the skills more if you have to wait to train them, and you'll also appreciate the more powerful suits the more you play with the militia ones.

Sophie, I like and understand everything you said, and I appreciate your perspective. Here's where I'm coming from. I'm a working adult, and I don't have time to sit around trying to earn more SP so that I can upgrade my loadout. My philisophical stance is this:

Why should you have better gear than I do just because you've been playing the game longer?

It is digital, ethereal, electronically generated equipment we are playing with. It's not like working out at the gym to develop superior physical musculature. I want to pay cash so that I can have character skill levels and equipment that rival someone who has time to play day in and day out. When it comes to game knowledge and thumb/finger dexterity, I'm sure that my personal skills and practical knowledge are on par with my opponents. I just want the chance to fight without being at a disadvantage because of gear.

Yes, we have all learned our lesson that Dust 514 = injustice. I am not shedding tears here, because personally, this ridiculous game makes me laugh so hard. I'm just stating my case that I would gladly pay for some SP since I don't want to spend my life hours earning points in a video game.

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Derpty Derp Derpty Derp Derr Deerrr 1	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:00:00 - [121] - Quote Limit it to the amount that people who started playing in beta can have gotten from passive sp... As it stands if you started playing before someone else it's an unfair advantage with no way to catch up. I started playing about a year after a large number of people made an account and would have no plans of buying anything, but I see no difference in facing people who started before me to get ahead and people who buy their way to get ahead (apart from one lot of people contributing to the game.)
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12180	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:30:00 - [122] - Quote Its called a booster, you wont get that million instantly but over the course of many games or days. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Clone D Grundstein Automation 35	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:20:00 - [123] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Its called a booster, you wont get that million instantly but over the course of many games or days. Get out your calculator or a spreadsheet: OMEGA BOOSTER (100% Passive SP Bonus) will give you an additional 24k SP per day. It takes 41.66 days to earn 1 million SP which costs 90277.7 AUR. If you shell out $99 to buy 200k AUR + 25K bonus, then that's .00044 Dollars per AUR. 1 million SP costs $39.72 and takes 41.66 days to earn. OMEGA BOOSTER ........... 1 million SP ............. $39.72 .............. 41.66 days PASSIVE BOOSTER ......... 1 million SP ............. $34.22 .............. 83.33 days That is not remotely close to the product offering that I am suggesting. If you want 10 million SP (counting only SP earned from booster), then you'd have to pay $397.22 and wait 416.66 days. THAT'S OVER A YEAR AT A RIDICULOUS PRICE! Grundstein Automation
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 81	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:34:00 - [124] - Quote -1 you know how many freaking super tanks/dropships would be roaming the field within the first week of this? I know I would have one on my alt. Unofficial D.A.R.K.L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 35	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:36:00 - [125] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: -1 you know how many freaking super tanks/dropships would be roaming the field within the first week of this? I know I would have one on my alt. Ever watch The Incredibles? Syndrome says, "... and when everyone's super, no one will be." Grundstein Automation
Ripley Riley 346	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:27:00 - [126] - Quote Suanar Daranaus wrote: Troll Thread Yes, it is. It's got an air of believability with the "I'm a grown up with grown up things to do!" line of reasoning and he takes time to reply to nearly every comment. 6 out of 10 troll only because P2W trolls are clich+¬. Clone D wrote: I am simply stating that the game is designed to reward people who devote their lives to it, not people who have skills, but are outclassed by proto. I would pay for SP. The community resists the idea. I respect that. Not a troll. Simply a heart felt request stemming from my own personal values that do not reflect the values of the majority. Our dialog has ended. Majority rules. I can abide. Peace In the extremely unlikely event that you are not a troll, let me ask you a serious question: did you really think anyone would go for this? You are asking thousands of people who have spent hundreds of hours playing Dust to allow someone to essentially pay a few bucks to instantaneously equal them in hard-earned SP. All because they have grown up problems... Here's a fun fact Clone D, we all do. We're parents, we work full time (sometimes multiple jobs), we have significant others, take care of a home, and still manage to win matches. I don't cap out every week, but I do occasionally and I work 50 - 55 hours a week myself. If you want to buy SP then buy active and passive SP boosters. I notice my SP gains skyrocket when I started using active boosters, and passive boosters are just gravy. Login every day, even for a minute or two, for that sweet 6,000 daily consecutive log in bonus. One final thought before I leave you: having more SP =/= I win button. I routinely kill prototype suits in a STD fitting. Run with a squad of corpmates and your chances of stomping, even in MIL gear, exponentially increase. For poops and laughs my corp ran an all MIL fit night. We went 6-1 in public contracts. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Clone D Grundstein Automation 35	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:41:00 - [127] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: did you really think anyone would go for this? I didn't know. That's why I brought it up. The idea has been spurned by many. Obviously, the community would rather pay for this: OMEGA BOOSTER ........... 1 million SP ............. $39.72 .............. 41.66 days My observations tell me that I am better off walking away and letting SP accumulate, since there is no following for the idea of purchasing limited amounts of SP per character. Read the entire thread and you will understand that my goal is not to win, but to achieve a competitive state with old-timers who have a huge advantage only due to the amount of time that they devote to the game. Grundstein Automation
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12192	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:52:00 - [128] - Quote Clone D wrote: Spartan MK420 wrote: -1 you know how many freaking super tanks/dropships would be roaming the field within the first week of this? I know I would have one on my alt. Ever watch The Incredibles? Syndrome says, "... and when everyone's super, no one will be." Cept not everyone can afford to be super, hence why the 1% argument keeps popping up at poor people's rallys. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Clone D Grundstein Automation 35	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:02:00 - [129] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ... not everyone can afford to be super, hence why the 1% argument keeps popping up at poor people's rallys. If you think about it, my idea would save people who buy boosters both time and money. People who play for free are already being outclassed by people who purchase boosters anyway. I don't think it's about the money. I think it's about justification of effort: People who have put hundreds of hours into this game need to feel like they had a good reason for doing so. If SP could be purchased cheaply, then they might feel like their hard earned SP was a waste of time and it would subtract meaning from their lives. If you ask me, they're the one's who aren't playing for fun. They're playing for power, and anything that threatens that power, i.e. allowing noobs to catch up to their status quickly, makes them afraid, so they respond with hostility as opposed to reason. Like I said before, I'd shell out a few bucks on a game, but I won't pay with my life. Grundstein Automation
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 89	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:02:00 - [130] - Quote Clone D wrote: I can't get Biotic upgrades until I reach level 4 of Dropsuit Upgrades (which has no benefit whatsoever). Agreed, Dropsuit upgrades should be changed to either a useful buff or removed all together, as it is it's nothing more than an SP sink right now and not even a well veiled one. Clone D wrote: My merc can use a Militia Active Scanner, but is apparently not skilled enough to use an advanced/proto active scanner? That's like saying I know how to tune into FM radio, but I'm not skilled enough to change the setting to AM radio yet. This can be said about every game with skill leveled items/weapons though, which is to say basically every game. I can swing a sword but why can't I swing that slightly longer one?. Clone D wrote: The gear doesn't make sense either, like a 45 db built-in dropsuit scanner is light enough to fit on a scout suit, but they can't build a 45 db scanner into a heavy suit? Lame. I know this seems a bit silly but it's a way to make suits/equipment more role specific, adds more flavour to the battlefield. Clone D wrote: The hit detection is pathetic. hahahahaha if you think this is bad you should've been here 6-8 moths ago. Clone D wrote: ...something is incredibly imbalanced with this game and it is directly related to how when a player earns skill buffs, they can also get better gear, which compounds the graduations between player levels. Those two functions need to be decoupled. Balanced matchmaking would help, but it would also deny new players encounters with advanced behaviors. I honestly think balanced matchmaking would help this game immensely, personally I'm on the equipment specific side of the argument; MLT/BASIC, ADV>, PROTO> higher cost/risk=higer reward and would leave veterans open to play with "the new kids", after a much longer and more encompassing battle academy that is. Also a full MTL line needs to be available so people don't bother sinking SP into something random that won't be used later on. (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "fuck this I'm out"... ... ..."I'm back"

Ripley Riley 346	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:29:00 - [131] - Quote Clone D wrote: My observations tell me that I am better off walking away and letting SP accumulate, since there is no following for the idea of purchasing limited amounts of SP per character. Good plan. 1.5 years may not be long enough though. By then the people who play the game 2 - 4 times a week will have earned even more SP so you will be that much rather behind. I'd wait 3 years... oh damn, I just realized by then we will have earned EVEN MORE SP Better stay gone for 4.5 years... OH NO, we will have tremendous amounts of SP by then!!! You should probably come back in 6 years... "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 111	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:35:00 - [132] - Quote Clone D wrote: Sophie DV wrote: I've been playing since partway through the closed beta, and it's my opinion that with enough experience, you'll appreciate the skills more if you have to wait to train them, and you'll also appreciate the more powerful suits the more you play with the militia ones. Sophie, I like and understand everything you said, and I appreciate your perspective. Here's where I'm coming from. I'm a working adult, and I don't have time to sit around trying to earn more SP so that I can upgrade my loadout. My philisophical stance is this: Why should you have better gear than I do just because you've been playing the game longer? It is digital, ethereal, electronically generated equipment we are playing with. It's not like working out at the gym to develop superior physical musculature. I want to pay cash so that I can have character skill levels and equipment that rival someone who has time to play day in and day out. When it comes to game knowledge and thumb/finger dexterity, I'm sure that my personal skills and practical knowledge are on par with my opponents. I just want the chance to fight without being at a disadvantage because of gear. Yes, we have all learned our lesson that Dust 514 = injustice. I am not shedding tears here, because personally, this ridiculous game makes me laugh so hard. I'm just stating my case that I would gladly pay for some SP since I don't want to spend my life hours earning points in a video game. although i understand where you are coming from, if we were to shorten this, you want the game to be pay to win ...Yeah, i use a heavy machine gun, and I think i do a Damn good job at it. i eat babies forum warrior Lv0
Clone D Grundstein Automation 35	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:39:00 - [133] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Good plan. 1.5 years may not be long enough though. 1.5 years will get me some core skills and a few extras. I'm sure that will be plenty regardless of how much time you grind between now and then. Good luck Grundstein Automation
Ripley Riley 347	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:50:00 - [134] - Quote Clone D wrote: 1.5 years will get me some core skills and a few extras. I'm sure that will be plenty regardless of how much time you grind between now and then. A corpmate of mine got all of the skills in the Dropsuit Upgrades tree to V inside of two months... that's with some SP spent on combat rifles... 1.5 years is vastly over estimating the time it takes to get core skills to V. Have your considered the possibility that you are just bad at this game? "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 112	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:53:00 - [135] - Quote the skills are easy, you just need to actually play the game, you cant just jump in and expect to be just ad good as everyone else this is new eden not COD ...Yeah, i use a heavy machine gun, and I think i do a Damn good job at it. i eat babies forum warrior Lv0
Clone D Grundstein Automation 35	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:17:00 - [136] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Have your considered the possibility that you are just bad at this game? Educate yourself before speaking. Read the whole thread. Already answered. Grundstein Automation
Clone D Grundstein Automation 35	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:22:00 - [137] - Quote Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: the skills are easy, you just need to actually play the game Another nescient responder. Read the whole thread. Grundstein Automation
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 113	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:39:00 - [138] - Quote Clone D wrote: Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: the skills are easy, you just need to actually play the game Another nescient responder. Read the whole thread. i read your first two posts, both went like this "i dont have the time to play because of my 'life' but i have money so that should make me as good as everyone else who actually earned their skills" ...Yeah, i use a heavy machine gun, and I think i do a Damn good job at it. i eat babies forum warrior Lv0
Ripley Riley 347	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:43:00 - [139] - Quote Clone D wrote: Educate yourself before speaking. Read the whole thread. Already answered. I hear what you are saying, but... have you considered it? I have recruited friends of mine to play Dust 514 very recently. They come from everything from WoW, TF2, CoD, BF, to Eve. Some of them are terrible at games of the FPS variety; they complain about low SP being this massive hurdle to overcome and bellyache about not being able to fit X, Y, or Z. Meanwhile, the fellows that are veteran FPS players are having a ball. I help them with their fits so I know what they are using: their tanking modules are usually STD, weapons are STD or ADV, and everything else is MIL or STD. My point being they aren't running PRO by any means. Yet they still do well in matches and don't seem to mind being 10mil SP below me at all. You have indicated that games are not novel to you. You went on to say that you find it hard to justify the time it takes to play certain games like Dust. You also seem have problems striking a balance between being good at video games and good at life in general. Dust might be too taxing for you. I suggest something less stressful like macrame or water color painting. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Clone D Grundstein Automation 35	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:54:00 - [140] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Clone D wrote: Educate yourself before speaking. Read the whole thread. Already answered. I hear what you are saying, but... have you considered it? I have recruited friends of mine to play Dust 514 very recently. They come from everything from WoW, TF2, CoD, BF, to Eve. Some of them are terrible at games of the FPS variety; they complain about low SP being this massive hurdle to overcome and bellyache about not being able to fit X, Y, or Z. Meanwhile, the fellows that are veteran FPS players are having a ball. I help them with their fits so I know what they are using: their tanking modules are usually STD, weapons are STD or ADV, and everything else is MIL or STD. My point being they aren't running PRO by any means. Yet they still do well in matches and don't seem to mind being 10mil SP below me at all. You have indicated that games are not novel to you. You went on to say that you find it hard to justify the time it takes to play certain games like Dust. You also seem have problems striking a balance between being good at video games and good at life in Dust might be too taxing for you. I suggest something less stressful like macrame or water color painting. I would rate your reading and comprehension skills at just about 50%. Look for the author's intention. I also indicated that I can take any out-of-the-box merc and get a 10 kill chain in a non-academy environment. Player skill is not the issue. Game design is. I brought an idea to the table for discussion. If you think differently, that's fine, but please speak from an informed reference point. "Donny, you're out of your element." Grundstein Automation

Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6478	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:13:00 - [141] - Quote @Clone D I can tell you're just a needy little brat for someone who is a grown up and you just want pay-to-win just for the sake of pay-to-win. And once again, don't bring up your twisted definition of what's considered pay-to-win for reasons that I already pointed out in the previous page. You just want to justify taking major shortcuts and undermine the efforts of everyone else around you because they have more SP, you don't, and you're jealous that we are ahead of you. For someone who is a grown up, you seem to lack the ability (let alone the intellect) to understand. After further reading, I have come to the conclusion that you have already made up your mind on the matter and you just want to make every effort to instill your twisted vision upon this game that doesn't want anything to do with it. One more thing, if you wanted to know what everyone thought about your idea you could have at least done a forum search. We have that feature, you know. There have been countless threads on it and on each and every one of them the debate has always ended with people that are mostly (and vehemently) against it. See for yourself. http://dustsearch.com/ OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Ripley Riley 348	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:23:00 - [142] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: One more thing, if you wanted to know what everyone thought about your idea you could have at least done a forum search. We have that feature, you know. There have been countless threads on it and on each and every one of them the debate has always ended with people that are mostly (and vehemently) against it. See for yourself. http://dustsearch.com/ He can't be troubled with forums searches, he is a busy grown up. Can he pay some money to have you do it for him? "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Clone D Grundstein Automation 35	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:50:00 - [143] - Quote Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: i read your first two posts Then you are comfortable in your ineptitude. Grundstein Automation
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6478	Posted - 2014.01.17 17:03:00 - [144] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: One more thing, if you wanted to know what everyone thought about your idea you could have at least done a forum search. We have that feature, you know. There have been countless threads on it and on each and every one of them the debate has always ended with people that are mostly (and vehemently) against it. See for yourself. http://dustsearch.com/ He can't be troubled with forums searches, he is a busy grown up. Can he pay some money to have you do it for him? That will be $1,000 in cash. No checks, money orders, and not even PayPal. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Clone D Grundstein Automation 35	Posted - 2014.01.17 17:05:00 - [145] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: One more thing, if you wanted to know what everyone thought about your idea you could have at least done a forum search. We have that feature, you know. There have been countless threads on it and on each and every one of them the debate has always ended with people that are mostly (and vehemently) against it. See for yourself. http://dustsearch.com/ He can't be troubled with forums searches, he is a busy grown up. Can he pay some money to have you do it for him? That will be $1,000 in cash. No checks, money orders, and not even PayPal. Thanks for spamming this thread with juvenile dribble. Grundstein Automation
Ripley Riley 348	Posted - 2014.01.17 17:26:00 - [146] - Quote Clone D wrote: Thanks for spamming this thread with juvenile dribble. Your troll thread was losing momentum at around 7 pages. We've managed to push it out to almost 9! You should be thrilled. @Maken On a serious note, have your ever considered the idea of allowing new players the ability to purchase Recruit boosters? Recruit boosters cost as much AUR as a passive booster, but provide a +100% passive SP boost instead of +50%. They last 30 days. Recruit boosters do not come in varieties shorter than 30 days. Cannot be stored, unlike typical boosters; they are used immediately after you purchase them. This will prevent people from making alts just to buy omegas and transfer them to their mains. They are only available for the first 30 days of a new player's career. Pros: New players will get a slow injection of SP spread out over several months Separates fools from their mon-I MEAN, provides an option for grown-ups with too many grown-up things to do Can you think of any cons? "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6478	Posted - 2014.01.17 17:40:00 - [147] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Clone D wrote: Thanks for spamming this thread with juvenile dribble. Your troll thread was losing momentum at around 7 pages. We've managed to push it out to almost 9! You should be thrilled. @Maken On a serious note, have you ever considered the idea of allowing new players the ability to purchase Recruit boosters? Recruit boosters cost as much AUR as a passive booster, but provide a +100% passive SP boost instead of +50%. They last 30 days. Recruit boosters do not come in varieties shorter than 30 days. Cannot be stored, unlike typical boosters; they are used immediately after you purchase them. This will prevent people from making alts just to buy omegas and transfer them to their mains. They are only available for the first 30 days of a new player's career. Pros: New players will get a slow injection of SP spread out over several months Separates fools from their mon-I MEAN, provides an option for grown-ups with too many grown-up things to do Can you think of any cons? I'm gonna be neutral on that. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6478	Posted - 2014.01.17 17:41:00 - [148] - Quote Clone D wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: One more thing, if you wanted to know what everyone thought about your idea you could have at least done a forum search. We have that feature, you know. There have been countless threads on it and on each and every one of them the debate has always ended with people that are mostly (and vehemently) against it. See for yourself. http://dustsearch.com/ He can't be troubled with forums searches, he is a busy grown up. Can he pay some money to have you do it for him? That will be $1,000 in cash. No checks, money orders, and not even PayPal. Thanks for spamming this thread with juvenile drivel. It's an honor to spam a thread that is already about juvenile drivel anyways. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Clone D Grundstein Automation 35	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:02:00 - [149] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: It's an honor to spam a thread that is already about juvenile drivel anyways. I am not easily susceptible to normative conformity, so I expressed an idea for discussion. People who discourage individual thinking are called fascists. There's a noticeable difference between a genuine disagreement and asinine remarks. Your flippant fear-based opposition reeks of mendacity. Enjoy your power trip. It will give you something to reflect back on when you arrive at the conclusion that you have no true friends or self respect. Grundstein Automation
Ripley Riley 349	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:15:00 - [150] - Quote Clone D wrote: Enjoy your power trip. It will give you something to reflect back on when you arrive at the conclusion that you have no true friends or self respect. You paint yourself as very enlightened then make personal attacks against posters who disagree with you. Back to the discussion at hand: have you learned your lesson that buying SP isn't something the community wants or needs? If so, I think we can go back to playing video games or whatever-the-hell Clone D does that is incredibly important. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley



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