DUST Search - I'd pay 5 bucks for 1 million Skill Points

Clone D wrote:

Sophie DV wrote:

I've been playing since partway through the closed beta, and it's my opinion that with enough experience, you'll appreciate the skills more if you have to wait to train them, and you'll also appreciate the more powerful suits the more you play with the militia ones.

Sophie, I like and understand everything you said, and I appreciate your perspective. Here's where I'm coming from. I'm a working adult, and I don't have time to sit around trying to earn more SP so that I can upgrade my loadout. My philisophical stance is this:

Why should you have better gear than I do just because you've been playing the game longer?

It is digital, ethereal, electronically generated equipment we are playing with. It's not like working out at the gym to develop superior physical musculature. I want to pay cash so that I can have character skill levels and equipment that rival someone who has time to play day in and day out. When it comes to game knowledge and thumb/finger dexterity, I'm sure that my personal skills and practical knowledge are on par with my opponents. I just want the chance to fight without being at a disadvantage because of gear.

Yes, we have all learned our lesson that Dust 514 = injustice. I am not shedding tears here, because personally, this ridiculous game makes me laugh so hard. I'm just stating my case that I would gladly pay for some SP since I don't want to spend my life hours earning points in a video game.

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Clone D Grundstein Automation 26	Posted - 2014.01.10 18:53:00 - [31] - Quote Bunny Demon wrote: Soooo what you're saying is..you don't care much about isk so you can give it to me I would sell units of 25,000 ISK for $1.00 USD. Grundstein Automation
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1080	Posted - 2014.01.10 18:58:00 - [32] - Quote Clone D wrote: I wouldn't buy Aurum, and I won't purchase boosters, but I'd pay 5 bucks for a million SP. I have shortly reached a point where I feel like I'm wasting my time grinding away on the battlefield waiting for the next 3% upgrade that I can achieve in two weeks time (or more). I'd rather just skip playing altogether and find another game to enjoy while my passive SP accumulates. Why would I want to continue playing a game that takes so long to level up? The payoff just isn't worthwhile. lololololololol
Clone D Grundstein Automation 26	Posted - 2014.01.10 19:07:00 - [33] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: Try playing with different loadouts keep it a bit more interesting till you can get the next lvl gear I agree with this. I have filled all 30 dropsuit fitting slots many times over with sundry builds. They lost me on lvl 3&4&5 upgrades. So boring!!! I will capitulate and resort to the waiting game. I'll return with a vengeance in 1.5 yrs :) Thanks for the reply! Grundstein Automation
Trey Hardin The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 49	Posted - 2014.01.10 19:14:00 - [34] - Quote Sorry this idea is just plain stupid. It would be a p2w game. I will not sink any of my hard earned money in to a f2p game I live and die by The Logi Code
Clone D Grundstein Automation 26	Posted - 2014.01.10 19:35:00 - [35] - Quote Skihids wrote: The journey is a good deal of the experience, and skipping it to reach the "destination" robs the game of a good deal of what it has to offer. I like your philosophical stance. I have extrapolated many lessons from the game concerning moral behavior, online sociology, battle tactics when the odds are against you, and how easily soldiers of the future become fatigued. I reached a point when the game began to feel like work and the rewards weren't frequent enough. I am ready to fast forward through all of the repetition and get to the goods. The game is not refreshingly novel enough for me to spend years capping out every week, but it is cool enough to wait 1.5 years and come back. In the end, it is just a game. Why should I be throttled back just because I do not choose to make it a lifestyle? Grundstein Automation
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 314	Posted - 2014.01.10 19:39:00 - [36] - Quote Trey Hardin wrote: Sorry this idea is just plain stupid. It would be a p2w game. I will not sink any of my hard earned money in to a f2p game No p2w is paying for better better gear no one can get I use a tablet so beware of typos
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 201	Posted - 2014.01.10 19:42:00 - [37] - Quote Clone D wrote: Sophie DV wrote: I've been playing since partway through the closed beta, and it's my opinion that with enough experience, you'll appreciate the skills more if you have to wait to train them, and you'll also appreciate the more powerful suits the more you play with the militia ones. Sophie, I like and understand everything you said, and I appreciate your perspective. Here's where I'm coming from. I'm a working adult, and I don't have time to sit around trying to earn more SP so that I can upgrade my loadout. My philisophical stance is this: Why should you have better gear than I do just because you've been playing the game longer? It is digital, ethereal, electronically generated equipment we are playing with. It's not like working out at the gym to develop superior physical musculature. I want to pay cash so that I can have character skill levels and equipment that rival someone who has time to play day in and day out. When it comes to game knowledge and thumb/finger dexterity, I'm sure that my personal skills and practical knowledge are on par with my opponents. I just want the chance to fight without being at a disadvantage because of gear. Yes, we have all learned our lesson that Dust 514 = injustice. I am not shedding tears here, because personally, this ridiculous game makes me laugh so hard. I'm just stating my case that I would gladly pay for some SP since I don't want to spend my life hours earning points in a video game. They have the better gear because they invested time into it. Demanding that the whole game design be changed to accommodate your busy life by changing it to a 'pay to win' mentality is awful beyond thought and it would still lead to you getting thrashed by teenagers who work 6 hours once a week and still play a lot.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 201	Posted - 2014.01.10 19:44:00 - [38] - Quote Clone D wrote: Skihids wrote: The journey is a good deal of the experience, and skipping it to reach the "destination" robs the game of a good deal of what it has to offer. I like your philosophical stance. I have extrapolated many lessons from the game concerning moral behavior, online sociology, battle tactics when the odds are against you, and how easily soldiers of the future become fatigued. I reached a point when the game began to feel like work and the rewards weren't frequent enough. I am ready to fast forward through all of the repetition and get to the goods. The game is not refreshingly novel enough for me to spend years capping out every week, but it is cool enough to wait 1.5 years and come back. In the end, it is just a game. Why should I be throttled back just because I do not choose to make it a lifestyle? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning_chamber All mmo's are skinner boxes
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2680	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:14:00 - [39] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Clone D wrote: Skihids wrote: The journey is a good deal of the experience, and skipping it to reach the "destination" robs the game of a good deal of what it has to offer. I like your philosophical stance. I have extrapolated many lessons from the game concerning moral behavior, online sociology, battle tactics when the odds are against you, and how easily soldiers of the future become fatigued. I reached a point when the game began to feel like work and the rewards weren't frequent enough. I am ready to fast forward through all of the repetition and get to the goods. The game is not refreshingly novel enough for me to spend years capping out every week, but it is cool enough to wait 1.5 years and come back. In the end, it is just a game. Why should I be throttled back just because I do not choose to make it a lifestyle? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning_chamber All mmo's are skinner boxes I've resisted every single MMO to date until DUST for that reason. The difference is that DUST is more FPS than MMO and I can take my fun shooting face or flying around in little chunks. It's not about attaining level 60, or even comparing your progress against someone else. I find enjoyment in the moment and "Leveling" isn't the all consuming goal. I wouldn't be left feeling cheated if DUST folded tomorrow ( well, I'd want unspent/unused Aurum refunded ) because I'm having fun as I go rather than focusing only on reaching some mythical end game.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2050	Posted - 2014.01.11 00:22:00 - [40] - Quote It would become purely pay to win in the sense that if you cant afford to Max your chars you'd be screwed, it would destroy the game lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.

Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 676	Posted - 2014.01.11 01:42:00 - [41] - Quote IDK about any of the rest of you but it has been a long time since I needed to spend more than 3 days boosting to cap. If you can't find 3 evenings a week to cap your character then make do and at least activate the passive SP. Also with the 6000sp x 30= 180,000 free sp just for logging in every day, it makes sense to just log in even if you plan on taking your wife to the opera or fixing your junker car that will never run right anyways. LogiGod earns his pips
Harbinger Ironhide Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.01.11 02:05:00 - [42] - Quote dont waste your money dust doesnt seem to be a game to stand the test of time. Besides until the Devs actually figure out how to design an FPS the most efficient method is just to afk farm heres to your hard work.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 27	Posted - 2014.01.11 02:06:00 - [43] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: If you can't find 3 evenings a week ... Yeah. See, I have other things to do, but would still like to even the score in skill buffs and gear and see how you fare. As it is, I'm sure you have already met your fate at the barrel of my militia scrambler pistols once or twice. I am not committed to this game. I just want the quick pass. Understanding that the community frowns upon this, I have withdrawn my plea. But let me leave you with this: The parable of the old man and the lamborghini There was an old man who owned a lamborghini and enjoyed driving it every day. One morning, his grandson came to him and said, "Grandpa, can I drive your lamborghini today?" To which the old man replied, "You may drive my lamborghini when you get your driver's license." When the young man was of age, he passed his driver's examination with flying colors and ran straight to his grandfather's house exclaiming the good news. The grandfather did not hand over the keys to the car, but instead turned to his grandson and said, "You can drive the car when you understand the value of the car. Master economics and I will let you drive." So the young man attended a university and acquired a PhD in economics to prove his commitment and called his grandfather, telling him the good news. Once again, the grandfather gave an excuse why the grandson could not drive the lamborghini, saying, "Go fall in love so you will understand the value what is at stake if you crash and die." Seeing the pattern of being turned down, he decided to put his education to good use, save up money and go purchase his own lamborghini. When he had finally saved up $350,000, he went to the dealer to purchase the car. The dealer looked the man in the eyes, and with a frown he said, "Unfortunately, your grandfather got to me before you did. He said you may not purchase a lamborghini until you are as old as he is." And the young man contemplated for a moment and then said, "Hey game geezer, you've been playing this game way longer than I have and I will never catch up to you regardless of how many empty hours I spend repeating the same battlefield routines again and again. I would pay a few bucks to even the score, but refuse to spend my youth parked in front of a TV." The end Grundstein Automation
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1171	Posted - 2014.01.11 10:28:00 - [44] - Quote They can make a lot more money selling boosters, and it's more balanced. Tarn chose peace. Tallen chose war. Where is my Gallente sidearm? SoonGäó514
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 373	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:57:00 - [45] - Quote Clone D wrote: -Parable- While I don't agree with your petition, I did like the ending. Unexpected. Amarr HAV Speculation
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 118	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:50:00 - [46] - Quote Clone D wrote: I wouldn't buy Aurum, and I won't purchase boosters, but I'd pay 5 bucks for a million SP. I have shortly reached a point where I feel like I'm wasting my time grinding away on the battlefield waiting for the next 3% upgrade that I can achieve in two weeks time (or more). I'd rather just skip playing altogether and find another game to enjoy while my passive SP accumulates. Why would I want to continue playing a game that takes so long to level up? The payoff just isn't worthwhile. Troll Thread, CCP Please delete.
Onesimus Tarsus 768	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:56:00 - [47] - Quote Clone D wrote: I can appreciate what you are saying. People generally feel entitled to what they have earned when they devote time to an endeavor, whether that be social status or material. But if you want realism, then consider this: in life, people who are willing to pay to bypass waiting in line do so and get on with their lives a lot faster. Why do you think they sell speed passes for theme parks? Why do you think they sell college degrees? The issue of sinking weeks of time into the next 777k upgrade for +3% implies psychological addiction. I have limited time to be alive and the tradeoff of running the XP mill is simply too expensive for me. It is a fun game, and I would be willing to play it a couple of hours per week, not work at it like a part-time/full-time job. I've calculated the amount of SP I need to build the character that I would like to try. I may as well let passive SP accumulate for 1.5 years and then come back to play, which I will likely do. You could DL Battlefield 1943. It's cheap, it's way more instant fun than DUST, and you start out with access to all the gear that anyone has. You have three great maps, jeep bombs, scary but killable and avoidable tanks, 4-man squads, air-raid calls, sniping that works, boats, planes, remote explosives, destructible landscapes, short load times, HALO dives, etc. Honestly, it came out in 2009 and is way the heck better than DUST. Play that for 2 years and come back to DUST if you want. I got my hand around the pistol grip, and the safety's off.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 28	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:08:00 - [48] - Quote Suanar Daranaus wrote: Troll Thread I am simply stating that the game is designed to reward people who devote their lives to it, not people who have skills, but are outclassed by proto. I would pay for SP. The community resists the idea. I respect that. Not a troll. Simply a heart felt request stemming from my own personal values that do not reflect the values of the majority. Our dialog has ended. Majority rules. I can abide. Peace Grundstein Automation
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1066	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:51:00 - [49] - Quote Just five? That's a little cheap, don't you think? What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 986	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:03:00 - [50] - Quote Clone D wrote: I wouldn't buy Aurum, and I won't purchase boosters, but I'd pay 5 bucks for a million SP. I have shortly reached a point where I feel like I'm wasting my time grinding away on the battlefield waiting for the next 3% upgrade that I can achieve in two weeks time (or more). I'd rather just skip playing altogether and find another game to enjoy while my passive SP accumulates. Why would I want to continue playing a game that takes so long to level up? The payoff just isn't worthwhile. It adds longevity to the game in form of something to aim for. Fact is that in any game most people's interest drops the moment they have everything opened. BTW, I'd happily pay 20 bucks per 1M SP. But I'm glad that can not be done. I guess both in Eve and Dust there would be huge market for SP for $. But again, that would be counter productive in the long term. FEEDBACK: Analysis on 1.7 tank functionality

Sky Kage Immortal Guides 631	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:22:00 - [51] - Quote ^how to turn dust into "pay to win". imagine someone forking over $50 and getting 10m sp 5 minutes into the game. they will automatically have an edge over all the rest of the newberries in the game and I'm sure no one will like that. It would only be acceptable in my book if its a "one time" deal or something similar. -1 to the OP I die alot AND have fun... Who knew? a¦á_a¦á
Clone D Grundstein Automation 28	Posted - 2014.01.11 22:46:00 - [52] - Quote Sky Kage wrote: imagine someone forking over $50 and getting 10m sp 5 minutes into the game. In my opinion, that would rule. Note, dropsuits do have a cap for the various attributes. They are not infinitely powerful. When everyone maxes out their attributes, the game will once again reflect skill on the battlefield, as opposed to reflecting how much time a person plays the game. Also, it would allow much more variety for beginners to explore various builds without having to wait years to see what it would feel like to play with a certain loadout. I understand that apparently I am alone in this perspective and I do not expect many to agree that this would expand the variety of play. Grundstein Automation
Sirys Lyons Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2014.01.12 01:07:00 - [53] - Quote Just out of curiosity, what do most people here make per match in SP? What's "average" for the "average" player?
Clone D Grundstein Automation 28	Posted - 2014.01.12 03:37:00 - [54] - Quote Sirys Lyons wrote: Just out of curiosity, what do most people here make per match in SP? What's "average" for the "average" player? I can only speak for myself: 3500 - 7000 per match with bonus; 1000 per match with exhausted bonus Grundstein Automation
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 81	Posted - 2014.01.12 12:23:00 - [55] - Quote Suanar Daranaus wrote: Clone D wrote: I wouldn't buy Aurum, and I won't purchase boosters, but I'd pay 5 bucks for a million SP. I have shortly reached a point where I feel like I'm wasting my time grinding away on the battlefield waiting for the next 3% upgrade that I can achieve in two weeks time (or more). I'd rather just skip playing altogether and find another game to enjoy while my passive SP accumulates. Why would I want to continue playing a game that takes so long to level up? The payoff just isn't worthwhile. Troll Thread, CCP Please delete. No. Business thread. CCP. please listen.
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 81	Posted - 2014.01.12 12:28:00 - [56] - Quote Clone D wrote: Sirys Lyons wrote: Just out of curiosity, what do most people here make per match in SP? What's "average" for the "average" player? I can only speak for myself: 3500 - 7000 per match with bonus; 1000 per match with exhausted bonus Ditto. Solo player.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1539	Posted - 2014.01.12 12:31:00 - [57] - Quote Clone D wrote: I wouldn't buy Aurum, and I won't purchase boosters, but I'd pay 5 bucks for a million SP. I have shortly reached a point where I feel like I'm wasting my time grinding away on the battlefield waiting for the next 3% upgrade that I can achieve in two weeks time (or more). I'd rather just skip playing altogether and find another game to enjoy while my passive SP accumulates. Why would I want to continue playing a game that takes so long to level up? The payoff just isn't worthwhile. 5 Bucks for 1 MIllion SP? Not going to happen. I think SP Boosters are somewhat 15 bucks fpr 500k or something. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Jooki Chewaka Stalking Wolfpack 77	Posted - 2014.01.12 15:37:00 - [58] - Quote Clone D wrote: I wouldn't buy Aurum, and I won't purchase boosters, but I'd pay 5 bucks for a million SP. I have shortly reached a point where I feel like I'm wasting my time grinding away on the battlefield waiting for the next 3% upgrade that I can achieve in two weeks time (or more). I'd rather just skip playing altogether and find another game to enjoy while my passive SP accumulates. Why would I want to continue playing a game that takes so long to level up? The payoff just isn't worthwhile. Back in the day of quake and cs and enemy territory and medal of honor people used to play for fun. See you from orbit
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4437	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:04:00 - [59] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: Clone D wrote: Why should you have better gear than I do just because you've been playing the game longer? I'm sorry but ^this^ is sarcasm right? RIGHT?! This guy uses as the basis of his argument exactly what everyone complains about as far as free-to-play models that have "Gold Ammo/Weapons/Armor". Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Clone D Grundstein Automation 28	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:05:00 - [60] - Quote Jooki Chewaka wrote: Back in the day of quake and cs and enemy territory and medal of honor people used to play for fun. This is an excerpt from an earlier post: Clone D wrote: I only play for fun, and there is a concept called need for competence that describes how when your learning curve plateaus, then you seek a new challenge. My militia gear learning curve has plateaued, and the only thing keeping me from the next level is SP. Grundstein Automation



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