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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:21:00 -
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mollerz wrote:
I don't know how you expect us to take your reasoning seriously when you are using scare tactics along the lines of the new unreleased cloak behaving like a game breaking bug. Sorry man. The jig is up, this is nothing more than sucker bait to get your claws in and make cloaks useless. GG but only fools would fall for it, and you're only going to get backed up by those who will lose the most from it's introduction.
Your politics are almost good, but way too transparent.
Scare Tactics or not; This does go beyond politics, this goes beyond the elections, this goes beyond me trying to do good or bad by the community, but I am doing do things for a reason, I would normally not fight this hard for changes against such opposition.
Wait and See is an extraordinary terrible mistake in this case given the possible nature of the next patch.
You claim I am transparant, I swear to you I cannot be as CPM I am disallowed this on many factors. You are reading me entirely wrong, you are pre-notioned into a bias, and you're close minded to what is going on around on the entire field of development, play, and politics.
I doubt I can stop cloaks from entering the game in the same manner I couldn't stop the contact grenades and I am left with few alternatives.
Ultimately I see the new scout bonuses as a pure insult. I see the cloaks as a possible game killer as it will generate excessively far poorer counter play than the active scanner will. Top this on the matters ahead in the future, this immensely exacerbates the issues well above and beyond normal.
The truth of my actions will be made clear, I am however anticipating by the time it does it be too late to fix cloaks and I for want do not want to squader my time being idle and reactive.
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Maken Tosch
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:34:00 -
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That Escalated Quickly
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:21:00 -
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Whether we are on weekly monthly or quarterly updates the game can be updated any downtime for small things and any Tuesday for things that have to be QC by Sony.
To say that something will go decades being OP in Dust is pretty funny because going on past instances you get a couple of months and then it is rendered useless unless its name is rifle.
Dial back the drama and how about you Kain and Hans present a combined effort that represents the core of what you guys think is best but obviously with some points that reflect what the forum would like to see.
In your blind spot
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:47:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Whether we are on weekly monthly or quarterly updates the game can be updated any downtime for small things and any Tuesday for things that have to be QC by Sony.
To say that something will go decades being OP in Dust is pretty funny because going on past instances you get a couple of months and then it is rendered useless unless its name is rifle.
Dial back the drama and how about you Kain and Hans present a combined effort that represents the core of what you guys think is best but obviously with some points that reflect what the forum would like to see.
Hans wants it gone and used a large variety of synonyms that are equating to bad idea but on an epic scale.
Kain's and Nova's anti-combat cloak stance was pretty clear in the petition
Jenza if I ever catch her not talking about her boat will probably agree that the cloak shouldn't be a combat tool.
Cazderon will likely say something in french again.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:mollerz wrote:
I don't know how you expect us to take your reasoning seriously when you are using scare tactics along the lines of the new unreleased cloak behaving like a game breaking bug. Sorry man. The jig is up, this is nothing more than sucker bait to get your claws in and make cloaks useless. GG but only fools would fall for it, and you're only going to get backed up by those who will lose the most from it's introduction.
Your politics are almost good, but way too transparent.
Scare Tactics or not; This does go beyond politics, this goes beyond the elections, this goes beyond me trying to do good or bad by the community, but I am doing do things for a reason, I would normally not fight this hard for changes against such opposition. Wait and See is an extraordinary terrible mistake in this case given the possible nature of the next patch. You claim I am transparant, I swear to you I cannot be as CPM I am disallowed this on many factors. You are reading me entirely wrong, you are pre-notioned into a bias, and you're close minded to what is going on around on the entire field of development, play, and politics. I doubt I can stop cloaks from entering the game in the same manner I couldn't stop the contact grenades and I am left with few alternatives. Ultimately I see the new scout bonuses as a pure insult. I see the cloaks as a possible game killer as it will generate excessively far poorer counter play than the active scanner will. Top this on the matters ahead in the future, this immensely exacerbates the issues well above and beyond normal. The truth of my actions will be made clear, I am however anticipating by the time it does it be too late to fix cloaks and I for want do not want to squader my time being idle and reactive. IWS You may see the new scout bonuses as an insultGǪ but please try to remember that the rest of us really don't know everything that you do. The CPM are reacting and starting conversations about this because you feel strongly about it, this is great. But the fact that the rest of us do not know many of the information that the CPM does means that their is a disparity in what we are able to see. We could just go with the assurances given by the CPM that it is not good, but really I think many of us are more critical thinkers than that, and those that aren't just are not trusting after the perceived deceptions, misinformation and assumptions of the past. (that and most of us are paranoid) It has been stated that we would have time to discuss many things before an update went through Here
CCP Remnant wrote:Yeah... gotta love those BSD updates. We were planning to release the bundled up stats for 1.8 changes next week (2nd sprint ends next week) so that we had plenty of time to get feedback from everyone and implement any necessary changes. Too many specific issues to address (otherwise I'd be posting all day and not getting any actual authoring work done) but please keep in mind that everything on SiSi is not final. That doesn't mean that they will change, only that they can. There's plenty of time to provide constructive criticism and for us to act on that feedback. Do you think that we will actually have the opportunity to discuss the information once we are all have the same intel? Right now I think that due to the NDA, it makes for a lot of suspicion about what is happening, couple that with the level of passion of opinion in the matter and we don't really have fair or balanced discussion on the matter.
(essentially the CPM may have jumped the gun on public chatter over this, and I understand why you folks have been itching to discuss this, I know that I would be too)
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:59:00 -
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To be honest I don't know what we will have time for. There are quite a few things that need to have light shed on them and when they do come out cloaks may get drowned out entirely until patch day. I was not kidding when I said 2014 is going to be an interesting year for Dust 514, and that CPM 1's own term would easily surpass 0's plate breaking. Whole reason why majority of the CPM is not seeking re-election.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:18:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:To be honest I don't know what we will have time for. There are quite a few things that need to have light shed on them and when they do come out cloaks may get drowned out entirely until patch day. I was not kidding when I said 2014 is going to be an interesting year for Dust 514, and that CPM 1's own term would easily surpass 0's plate breaking. Whole reason why majority of the CPM is not seeking re-election. I am fairly certain that the scout community will vocalize on cloaks, and many in that community (if not most) do not want to have to rely on cloaks, nor be forced into a role. So I doubt that discussion on it will be drowned out, though I have no idea how much other big **** will drop at that time, so I could be wrong. CPM does not seem like much fun to me
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:56:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well, a not so quick bullet list since I keep getting bombarded on twitter. Please do debate points, if it's good enough argument I can see about adjusting and you also get to understand the bullet point a bit. I want to make it fun for both cloaker and stalked or hunters.
Cloak sound range is similar to that of a shotgun
Cloaks are forcibly deactivated by proximity to hackable objects such as vehicles, consoles, and OMS objects.
Cloaks may be forcibly deactivated by proximity to hostile infantry.
Cloaks might be forcibly deactivated by proximity to other friendly players even if they are cloaked.
Suggested forced deactivation range 1.5 meters.
Cloaks are easily deactivatable on purpose by either turning on another module or swapping to another equipment or weapon, decloaking animation will finish first and cause a short delay between the start of turning visible and being able to take action with the new item selected and this does not cause the disruption timeout.
Weapons No guns, no firing from cloaked, must deactivate then swap, the swap is going to be slightly delayed, if forcibly deactivated will swap to last used weapon.
Cannot use other equipment or activate other equipment such as remote explosives.
This of course is working under the assumption that there will be no changes to the scanners and that cloaks might reduce the suit sig by half maybe. i beleive the proximty to hackable objects needs to be out right removed , possibly make stealth hacks longer to account for this as i beleive that could be the most practicale role of stealth suits
remove the deactivate on weapon/equipment switch but make placing/firng count as disruptive timer action. both audible notification and delay when switching would be crippling to this mechanic
Proud Christian
one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.01.13 06:51:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:To be honest I don't know what we will have time for. There are quite a few things that need to have light shed on them and when they do come out cloaks may get drowned out entirely until patch day. I was not kidding when I said 2014 is going to be an interesting year for Dust 514, and that CPM 1's own term would easily surpass 0's plate breaking. Whole reason why majority of the CPM is not seeking re-election. I am fairly certain that the scout community will vocalize on cloaks, and many in that community (if not most) do not want to have to rely on cloaks, nor be forced into a role. So I doubt that discussion on it will be drowned out, though I have no idea how much other big **** will drop at that time, so I could be wrong. CPM does not seem like much fun to me
Its not fun that is for certain and yes there is a likely chance that whatever is going to get discussed this year will drown quite a few things out.
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