Sooo you do realize that your optional changes (ie "blackops suit" and paper thin HP suit....) are already our reality. Our suits native HP is around 200 AFTER skills.

Also, if you gimp the cloak by reducing damage or by disabling light weapons, what do you propose as the purpose or the utility of having a cloak? It fills equipment slots (and to make a 2-3 equip suit with only one weapon, hey look its a logi!) and removes the ability to fit any other equipment, so no support. It's fitting intensive so no stacked modules....whats the point? God forbid that there's a suit that approaches the medium frames usefullness, I mean you might have to actually work to kill a light frame now.

As a dedicated sniper I need to tell you that this cloak will make me VERY over powered.

Scout suit+cloak+Thale/charge sniper rifle? Seriously?

Imagine the above combination and me sitting on one of those really tall buildings. Cloak, snipe, walk to the middle of the roof while I recharge, cloak, snipe, rinse and repeat.

Please give this some thought.


Munch

As a dedicated sniper I need to tell you that this cloak will make me VERY over powered.

Scout suit+cloak+Thale/charge sniper rifle? Seriously?

Imagine the above combination and me sitting on one of those really tall buildings. Cloak, snipe, walk to the middle of the roof while I recharge, cloak, snipe, rinse and repeat.

Please give this some thought.


Munch

Guys it takes 1 complex dampener to get med suits below the adv scan. It sounds easy to build a cloaking scanner immune fit. Cloak would be an awesome equipment if you couldn't fire (or even hold/aim) your gun while cloaked. Listen to the players ccp. Nobody wants cloaking while firing. Scouts biggest problem is getting into a position to cause damage without someone spotting them. Cloak will still help them a ton even if you can't use it with a gun.

I'm glad that this is still in the works, because firing while cloaked is something the CPM has adamantly campaigned against.

Nobody wants cloaking while firing.

prediction:
cloaks will be used defensively.

i see alot of people nutting out on how the cloaks will work for an infiltrative attack run.

and yet the greater potential will be to allow scouts to retreat effectively.

That makes no sense to me. Once a scout is seen, he is dead. A cloak doesnt make you invulnerable, it just makes you invisible.
If you are spotted, it takes approximately 0.5 seconds to kill you with a duvolle.
It takes approximately 0.5 seconds to activate a cloak, i would guess.
There is no "allow scouts to retreat effectively" there.

why dont you make it so you have to have this out all the time and then when you bring your weapon out it decloaks

I am still extremely wary that "fire while cloaked" could quickly to lead to miserable gameplay. The critical question here is, what happens if the shots fired don't fully deplete the cloak? Is fully depleting the cloak necessary for the user to appear on a scan, or to have a chevron? My concern is over the ability to sneak up and headshot a victim with a scrambler pistol while only partially depleting the cloak field, allowing a user to obtain kills without ever fully decloaking.

At the end of the day "gotcha" kills can be really boring and obnoxious in a game trying to be even remotely tactical. If you listen carefully to the community, I really think the heart of the TTK frustration is linked to this very same experience. Players like to know how how they died and to have an opportunity to defend themselves, and I don't see any window of opportunity for victims to respond to a "gotcha" moment given the proposed cloak mechanics.

The cloak, to me, should be an infiltration tool and nothing more. A way to sneak near an enemy despite strong presence nearby. There is a very fine line between an infiltration tool and a combat trick - and its the evasion capability of the cloak that is your strongest design element. I'd push this even further, ensuring that cloaks evade all scanners completely, as long as the user has to put the cloak away before they draw a weapon. It's still incredibly powerful, especially in the current combat meta where scanners are so prevalent.

That's not to say that such a model wouldn't empower Scouts to excel as stealthy assassins, there is still immense power and fun to be had evading scanners and flanking an enemy even if you appear on their radar only seconds before you open fire. Sure, heavies have a quick turn speed these days, but I can see many ways to still get the jump on one before he can respond (especially if Scouts hunt in packs).

I strongly urge your team to consider having the operator hold the cortex in hand for the duration of the time the user is cloaked. Switching to a weapon would drop the cortex as well as the cloak effect. This way players have a choice between stealth travel and normal combat, while keeping the two distinct enough that the overlap doesn't create broken situations. Its a subtle difference, that still preserves your original intent for the cloak.

Thanks again for sharing this with the community, I look forward to discussing this more in the coming weeks.

Scouts is as you said SCOUTS.
Not some ******* ninja assassin.

They must NOT be able to shoot during cloaking.
They are not assassin they are SCOUT.
Sneaking operation not kill operation.

I think it would be cool to be used to "hack" objective silently.
Making them able to hack WHILE cloaked without depleting it.
Should have some Hacking time reduction.

You pass through ennemies lines.
Hacks super speed (With one or two hacking module) combined with with the hacking bonus they should have WHILE CLOAKED. (Yes ennemies will know when someone is hacking but it will be fast AND if the cloak is not depleting the scout can escape easily. (If ennemies don't have MD or Flux grenades)
And then escape while cloaked if they didn't shoot.

That would be cool huh ?

Requests:

1. Cloaks can't activate in the redline.
2. If the cloaked enemy passes directly in front of the reticule, make the chevron pop. Like in KZ3 with marksmen.
3. Scanners disrupt cloaks.
4. Flux grenades disable cloaks.
5. A new item, a beacon, that will emit a radius of interference that can be placed around an objective point, and can be carried like nanohives, nanites, etc.
6. Firing completely breaks cloak (again, like KZ3).
7. Make it use a TON of PG/CPU to avoid god modes. Make the cloak users choose between a cloak and a proto shotty or sniper rifle.

I am still extremely wary that "fire while cloaked" could quickly to lead to miserable gameplay...

- The cloak field is a piece of equipment.
- When selected the cortex is raised and you press fire to activate it.
- Once activated, it goes away and your weapon is raised. You can switch to other weapons/equipment while cloaked.
- You cloak. The amount of "shimmer" is increased as you move so standing still you will be nigh invisible, but when moving you will be noticeable to an extent. When cloaked, you obviously have no chevron or health bars, but the enemy reticule will flash red if you run past it.
- Cloak can be deactivated by selecting it and pressing fire.
- Once deactivated or it runs out it will start to recharge.
- Firing a weapon while cloaked will rapidly deplete the cloak field (a single shot from a sniper rifle, for instance, will decloak you)
- You can only fit one cloak field at a time.

Yeah... gotta love those BSD updates.

We were planning to release the bundled up stats for 1.8 changes next week (2nd sprint ends next week) so that we had plenty of time to get feedback from everyone and implement any necessary changes.

Too many specific issues to address (otherwise I'd be posting all day and not getting any actual authoring work done) but please keep in mind that everything on SiSi is not final. That doesn't mean that they will change, only that they can. There's plenty of time to provide constructive criticism and for us to act on that feedback.

Yeah... gotta love those BSD updates.

We were planning to release the bundled up stats for 1.8 changes next week (2nd sprint ends next week) so that we had plenty of time to get feedback from everyone and implement any necessary changes.

Too many specific issues to address (otherwise I'd be posting all day and not getting any actual authoring work done) but please keep in mind that everything on SiSi is not final. That doesn't mean that they will change, only that they can. There's plenty of time to provide constructive criticism and for us to act on that feedback.

Counter snipers will still be scanning all the known perches and will get a red reticle when aiming at you, so you will still be vulnerable to a skilled counter sniper.

I understand what you are saying.

I'll be using the same counter-sniping tactic.

I'll also sit in different, more open places because they are not obvious sniper perches. You won't see me.

Also, if I pop a nanohive and sit in it, the tiny red dot a counter sniper gets will be swamped out by the larger red graphic of the hive.

Currently, if a player sits in a pile of nanohives (3 or 4 in the same place) it is very difficult to snipe them because it is hard to see them. This is because of the overlapping red graphics of the hives and the "bubbles" that they emit. Even if I get a chevron and hit bars.


Munch

Currently, if a player sits in a pile of nanohives (3 or 4 in the same place) it is very difficult to snipe them because it is hard to see them. This is because of the overlapping red graphics of the hives and the "bubbles" that they emit. Even if I get a chevron and hit bars.

Munch

I am still extremely wary that "fire while cloaked" could quickly to lead to miserable gameplay. The critical question here is, what happens if the shots fired don't fully deplete the cloak? Is fully depleting the cloak necessary for the user to appear on a scan, or to have a chevron? My concern is over the ability to sneak up and headshot a victim with a scrambler pistol while only partially depleting the cloak field, allowing a user to obtain kills without ever fully decloaking.

At the end of the day "gotcha" kills can be really boring and obnoxious in a game trying to be even remotely tactical. If you listen carefully to the community, I really think the heart of the TTK frustration is linked to this very same experience. Players like to know how how they died and to have an opportunity to defend themselves, and I don't see any window of opportunity for victims to respond to a "gotcha" moment given the proposed cloak mechanics.

The cloak, to me, should be an infiltration tool and nothing more. A way to sneak near an enemy despite strong presence nearby. There is a very fine line between an infiltration tool and a combat trick - and its the evasion capability of the cloak that is your strongest design element. I'd push this even further, ensuring that cloaks evade all scanners completely, as long as the user has to put the cloak away before they draw a weapon. It's still incredibly powerful, especially in the current combat meta where scanners are so prevalent.

That's not to say that such a model wouldn't empower Scouts to excel as stealthy assassins, there is still immense power and fun to be had evading scanners and flanking an enemy even if you appear on their radar only seconds before you open fire. Sure, heavies have a quick turn speed these days, but I can see many ways to still get the jump on one before he can respond (especially if Scouts hunt in packs).

I strongly urge your team to consider having the operator hold the cortex in hand for the duration of the time the user is cloaked. Switching to a weapon would drop the cortex as well as the cloak effect. This way players have a choice between stealth travel and normal combat, while keeping the two distinct enough that the overlap doesn't create broken situations. Its a subtle difference, that still preserves your original intent for the cloak.

Thanks again for sharing this with the community, I look forward to discussing this more in the coming weeks.

- The cloak field is a piece of equipment.
- When selected the cortex is raised and you press fire to activate it.
- Once activated, it goes away and your weapon is raised. You can switch to other weapons/equipment while cloaked.
- You cloak. The amount of "shimmer" is increased as you move so standing still you will be nigh invisible, but when moving you will be noticeable to an extent. When cloaked, you obviously have no chevron or health bars, but the enemy reticule will flash red if you run past it.
- Cloak can be deactivated by selecting it and pressing fire.
- Once deactivated or it runs out it will start to recharge.
- Firing a weapon while cloaked will rapidly deplete the cloak field (a single shot from a sniper rifle, for instance, will decloak you)
- You can only fit one cloak field at a time.