Tanks still feel too strong in 1.7 and AV is not strong enough to stop them - Thread | Thread
WeGÇÖll need to do something about MLT tanks. We will see to rebalance some PG/CPU for equipment and more. More details will come in a dev blog/forum post.

Tanks prices are the problem. There too good for there cost.

Increase prices so when i work to kill one, he can't afford to call in 3 more.

Tanks prices are the problem. There too good for there cost.

Increase prices so when i work to kill one, he can't afford to call in 3 more.

This is just wrong. Standard tanks are already MUCH better than militia. This idea that the"problem" is just with militia tanks is not correct. OH and to go from militia tanks to standard tanks cost what, 100k sp?

The problem is the av balance with tanks.

Great so when it comes to that match where a tanker with 20MIL SP comes along on their side and has an overpowered tank, not only can I not beat without nearly 8 peopel doggedly following this one guy, I can't even afford to get a tank in to deal with him either brilliant.

They said in the post you quoted that their either buffing av or nerfing all tanks and mlt tanks on top of that.

Reading comprehension.

Tanks are a major force on the battlefield.

Be honest, a tank can sway the battlefield alone FAAAAAAAAR more than a single dropsuit can.

It forces people to switch to AV, it displaces people, it DESTROYS people, it can take out turrets and other tanks.




That kind of force should be expensive.

No, that kind of force should have a counter. AV should be that counter. Otherwise you get the situation like now where 1 tank >>>> anything else.

AV is an annoyance now, not a counter.

Tanks prices are the problem. There too good for there cost.

Increase prices so when i work to kill one, he can't afford to call in 3 more.

But a tank should not be a solo takedown like it was , then infantery was running towards the tank to get there first to kill it, no one was affraid of it, it should take some team effort to kill it.

Great so when it comes to that match where a tanker with 20MIL SP comes along on their side and has an overpowered tank, not only can I not beat without nearly 8 peopel doggedly following this one guy, I can't even afford to get a tank in to deal with him either brilliant.

So I guess since we are balancing around isk... the commando ak.o SHOULD be the best suit in the game, seeing as it cost 80% more than any other suit?

No, cheap tanks are good, it means that we have a more diverse battlefield and that people with unlimited isk can't just have an i-win mode. Tanks need to be more vulnerable from AV, or MUCH less effective against infantry.

ISK is not a balancing factor.

Tanks should require multiple av or another tank to counter. Or dropships. Or jets. Or mtacs.

But dust is a bad game.

If 1 infantry can solo tanks what is the point of a tank? You gain killing power and lose the ability to fight in cities and cap points. It's a trade off.

Tanks prices are the problem. There too good for there cost.

Increase prices so when i work to kill one, he can't afford to call in 3 more.

Tank prices should be doubled across the board.

The fact that you can call in two militia tanks per ambush, lose both of them, and still break even, is the main reason for tank spam.

The duration of all hardeners should be halved.

Force the pilots to use them sparingly and strategically instead of turning them on whenever they take an ounce of damage.

Both these changes would also force tanks to retreat more often making harassing AV a more effective role.

Coming from an AV guy, these are the only two changes tanks really need.

High prices only makes it so people with unlimited isk are OP, instead of everyone.

I have like 500 mil isk, I could run expensive tanks for a VERY long time. I am broke compared to the top 10% in this game.

As it is now, instead you'll pop him, but he'll deploy 50 more. I do it all the time. It doesn't matter how much I die. Usually, a group of MLTs will pop my AP HAV. Then I pull out my AV HAV and pop all of them, redeploy as AP HAV, go on my merry way. My current asset level is still 3m higher than last week including alts and tank stocks.

Either way, everyone is screwed, because the price is not the only problem. MLT tanks are also not the only problem in terms of strength; I pop them all day long. A good AV tank can wipe 3-4 MLTs in minutes. Sure, I get killed by them occasionally. I still pop five times more of them than they do of me. I 2HKO Sicas before than can even harden and Somas are a 3HKO with my cheap AV Madrugar. One FW, two MLTs are going around to flank, I catch them at the side, blow them up in a 2v1, continue and pop another on a hill, pop 3 more throughout the match. However, once the Ion Cannons are deployed, you're screwed. Those things shred infantry 200m out along with the majority of HAVs that aren't other Ion Cannons or specially tailored for burst defense and offense. With the sheer power of current tanks, tanks needs to be cheap enough just to shred other tanks, otherwise everyone goes negative because one guy pulled out a Madrugar. The price needs to rise and then, in addition, Swarm Launchers and AV Grenades need to be buffed in damage so that you need less tanks to fight tanks.

EDIT: Also, obviously, certain things such as stacked hardeners and blaster range need to be looked at.

high prices also make it less spamable and make u take a risk.

sort of like a titan in EVE not everyone can buy it but it sure is powerful and still can be destroyed by other sources.

Here's the problem. Militia tanks/modules, large railguns, and tiericide for modules.

Want something in which you'll be nearly unkillable but bring death to infantry with zero investment? Soma.

Want something in which you'll be able to take out any vehicle with zero investment? Sica.

Want something that can kill vehicles at any range and still be effective against infantry? Railgun tank.

Blasters are not the problem. STD tanks are not the problem. Complex modules are not the problem. But everything above is.

Bring tiers back!

But a tank should not be a solo takedown like it was , then infantery was running towards the tank to get there first to kill it, no one was affraid of it, it should take some team effort to kill it.

I disagree, you want more tanks to fight tanks, BUT you need other methods.
If you need to you can use AV, but a tank has better suitability and impacts less on your squad makeup. Thus it is more beneficial but not necessary.

Tanks need to remain cheap, enough that there will always be tanks activem not a 2min scrap at the begiining followed by 1 side dominating the rest of the match. This is meant to be all out war.

The thing is a lot of people believe a tank should last you a couple of matches. I thourghly disagree, I believe a couple of mlt tanks should last you a match. A well fitted HAV at around 110k means you can be blown up twice then survive to make money. Which is plenty fair.

The problem with tanks at the moment is the inability for Infantry Units to effectively engage Tanks when required. I'm not talking about alph ering a tank in under 10secs. But you should at least make a tanker retreat EARLIER than usual, upon penalty of death.

A std tank with adv Mods should see someone with Proto AV and soil his undies, because that tanker knows that he isn't gonna be able to stick around long with Proto AV on the field. That doesn't mean the AV can kill him, but he will certainly be capable of making the tanker run back to the redline with his tail between his legs.

There is a reason why titans were nerfed pretty hard, because people like you thought the isk amount would prevent spammage. Do you know what happened? BoB just spammed doomsdays leveling entire fleets, and built tones of them.

Then the titan got nerfed and the supercarrier became the new FotM. Everyone and their mother got supercarriers as well because they were solopwn mobiles. Supercarriers got nerfed too.

I think everyone, including most tankers, want tanks in the game and I like that there are between 4-8 tanks per match. I just don't like how they have no hard counter.

1 player should ALWAYS be counterable by 1 player. This is the basis of balance.

Why does no one complain when some dude goes 40/0 every single game with his super proto medframe/rifle combo?