It's Eve universe get used to it. It's cold heartless and ruthless. If you thought it would be a peace of cake then leave I am against what you suggest. Instead have tiered battles. And if you don't know what that means then let me dumb it down. Let's say they have matches where you can only where and use mlt and std equipment and then their would be adv and up battles. Boom player base and the vets can still stomp the new guys but not by a mile. But still your gonna need matches where you can where whatever. Also Pve ,which was promised to be here by winter but look where that is currently, will save the game by introducing a way to farm isk and learn the game better. Also I'd love to own a plot of ground on Caldari Prime that would be bada$$

Wouldn't work.

Fool dont you know dust should have basically the same new player experience as eve? On eve you are canonfodder till you get decent ships and modules. Till then you are just screwed and have to endulge in beeing stomped 24/7.

Wouldn't work.

Split the players up.

I know you've said you don't want to do that because of the small player base but by keeping everyone together you are hurting and severely reducing the new player influx. I've introduced 6 of my friends to Dust and all of them loved it until they left the academy. After a few day of me trying to coach them up and help them find a role they'd like they all quit because they got tried of getting destroyed every game by players like me who have 20+ million SP.

I would love to be grouped up with and against full teams of other prototype players, It would mean more competitive matches. Its why I love PC, everyone has proto which means the winner is determined by skill, teamwork, and tactics also lag.

New players ---------> 0 - 5 million SP
Advanced Players --> 5 - 10 Million SP
Veterans Players ---> 10 Million + SP

Also to help player development accelerate SP gains in the first 2 levels

New Players ---------> 2x Current SP gains
Advanced Players --> 1.5x Current SP gains
Veteran Players -----> Current SP gains

This will grow player base by allowing new players to stay competitive against each other and also allow them to reach levels that allow them to compete with veterans sooner.

Better yet just tiercide everything. Noobs can play with vets in a balanced battlefield, and what will really shine is player skill not proto modules.

I like your points, and I have a similar experience with my friends, but I think the only true solution to player retention is meta level capped matches, where you can only bring up to a certain meta level item into a game. I think general pubs should be set around 2 - 6, FW 7 - 8, and PC 9.

Trying to fix stomping with matchmaking is literally an impossible task, because of the small playerbase. Meta-level matches encourage new players to skill into core skills, as they should be doing anyways, if they want to be successful. This would allow players with less total SP to be more competitive at a quicker rate with a vet if they stick to playing at lower level matches, until they are ready to move up.

As far as splitting new players up, I don't really think the devs truly realize how much protostomping in pubs is killing their game. To those players that continually engage in it, and would leave if caps were in place, I say good riddance. The influx of new players I think would more than offset the departure of butthurt vets. We are long overdue for some new blood around here.

Split the players up.

I know you've said you don't want to do that because of the small player base but by keeping everyone together you are hurting and severely reducing the new player influx. I've introduced 6 of my friends to Dust and all of them loved it until they left the academy. After a few day of me trying to coach them up and help them find a role they'd like they all quit because they got tried of getting destroyed every game by players like me who have 20+ million SP.

I would love to be grouped up with and against full teams of other prototype players, It would mean more competitive matches. Its why I love PC, everyone has proto which means the winner is determined by skill, teamwork, and tactics also lag.

New players ---------> 0 - 5 million SP
Advanced Players --> 5 - 10 Million SP
Veterans Players ---> 10 Million + SP

Also to help player development accelerate SP gains in the first 2 levels

New Players ---------> 2x Current SP gains
Advanced Players --> 1.5x Current SP gains
Veteran Players -----> Current SP gains

This will grow player base by allowing new players to stay competitive against each other and also allow them to reach levels that allow them to compete with veterans sooner.

Because what we have is working wonders on growing the player base

Honestly how did this guy get CPM

Okay, now the other question is how can the existing playerbase help the cause? Maybe a specific day of the week where everyone goes solo? Need ideas.

eve had no training wheels.... so why would dust have any... you can't look at a company like ccp and compare them to a the makers of say COD or BF. ccp don't plan for today. they plan for 5-10 years time. a steady player base is what ccp aims for and adds things later to gradually increase it. a massive influx would just cause more issues than it fixes.

this idea only stands to alienate most of the community from each other which goes against everything ccp games are about.

with your plan:
1)all mercs below pro status would not be able to do FW or PC at all.(reason being that in order to play these matches they would have to be matched with other players of a different level which your idea does not allow)
2)corps will not be able to scout for new players as they would never see any.
3)you now have pro's training against pro's honing their skills. all these noobs/adv players would be walking into a kill fest. they would not stand a chance. at the moment alot of pro's train against weaker targets and that only makes people lazy. going up against pro's all the time would only make the gap even bigger for those just joining the ranks.
4)corps can no longer play with their corp mates because some have more sp than others. we have some awesome <5mil sp guys rolling with the 20+million+ crew. they would no longer be able to do that with your idea.

i understand where your coming from but there is a bigger picture here you have missed entirely

Wouldn't work.

Easy. To understand this CPM's statement you need to understand why this idea 'won't work' and more unitentionally divulged the notion 'it hasn't worked so far'

Case in point

1. There are people who roll alts in academy on purpose. Thus the goal set out to do is already destroyed before the idea got off the ground as the academy does serve as an unintended testing for the idea.

2. People are intelligent min maxers and proven this quite often. The most intelligent will roll the most deadliest alt/build per bracket the first time. The bandwagon 'smurfs' as League of Legends calls them will follow their examples.

3. Real Men don't need skill points. Throw the best players in this game in militia fits and watch them continue to annihilate as if nothing happened.

4. Additionally people would stop spending SP once they concluded an optimal skill point in the bracket due to fear, unwilling to progress further make the game harder on themselves hence probably the large number of academy stomping alts.

Also this is inbox thinking and sandless.
MOAR Sand
Less Box

If players want to build a castle with said sand with certain rules to be followed in its walls by all means I'll let them, but right now they can't even do that.

Any split up based on equipment would be stupid. Because when does your suit count as proto? As soon as you use a proto suit? Fine. I'll take a militia suit with a proto weapon. Here I come! Or as soon as you use one proto item? This wouldn't work with Dusts fitting system.



I too would like PvE. But you are way to negative. The game is doing fine.

Split the players up.

I know you've said you don't want to do that because of the small player base but by keeping everyone together you are hurting and severely reducing the new player influx. I've introduced 6 of my friends to Dust and all of them loved it until they left the academy. After a few day of me trying to coach them up and help them find a role they'd like they all quit because they got tried of getting destroyed every game by players like me who have 20+ million SP.

I would love to be grouped up with and against full teams of other prototype players, It would mean more competitive matches. Its why I love PC, everyone has proto which means the winner is determined by skill, teamwork, and tactics also lag.

New players ---------> 0 - 5 million SP
Advanced Players --> 5 - 10 Million SP
Veterans Players ---> 10 Million + SP

Also to help player development accelerate SP gains in the first 2 levels

New Players ---------> 2x Current SP gains
Advanced Players --> 1.5x Current SP gains
Veteran Players -----> Current SP gains

This will grow player base by allowing new players to stay competitive against each other and also allow them to reach levels that allow them to compete with veterans sooner.

The game is doing fine. LMAO players dropping like flies. Destiny will be out soon(tm). More will leave. You will be left playing with yourself.<-------no pun intended.

Split the players up.

I know you've said you don't want to do that because of the small player base but by keeping everyone together you are hurting and severely reducing the new player influx. I've introduced 6 of my friends to Dust and all of them loved it until they left the academy. After a few day of me trying to coach them up and help them find a role they'd like they all quit because they got tried of getting destroyed every game by players like me who have 20+ million SP.

I would love to be grouped up with and against full teams of other prototype players, It would mean more competitive matches. Its why I love PC, everyone has proto which means the winner is determined by skill, teamwork, and tactics also lag.

New players ---------> 0 - 5 million SP
Advanced Players --> 5 - 10 Million SP
Veterans Players ---> 10 Million + SP

Also to help player development accelerate SP gains in the first 2 levels

New Players ---------> 2x Current SP gains
Advanced Players --> 1.5x Current SP gains
Veteran Players -----> Current SP gains

This will grow player base by allowing new players to stay competitive against each other and also allow them to reach levels that allow them to compete with veterans sooner.

Easy. To understand this CPM's statement you need to understand why this idea 'won't work' and more unitentionally divulged the notion 'it hasn't worked so far'

Case in point

1. There are people who roll alts in academy on purpose. Thus the goal set out to do is already destroyed before the idea got off the ground as the academy does serve as an unintended testing for the idea.

2. People are intelligent min maxers and proven this quite often. The most intelligent will roll the most deadliest alt/build per bracket the first time. The bandwagon 'smurfs' as League of Legends calls them will follow their examples.

3. Real Men don't need skill points. Throw the best players in this game in militia fits and watch them continue to annihilate as if nothing happened.

4. Additionally people would stop spending SP once they concluded an optimal skill point in the bracket due to fear, unwilling to progress further make the game harder on themselves hence probably the large number of academy stomping alts.

Also this is inbox thinking and sandless.
MOAR Sand
Less Box

If players want to build a castle with said sand with certain rules to be followed in its walls by all means I'll let them, but right now they can't even do that.

9 years for a good enougth tutorial. Doesn't mean someone with a
10year old account won't come upto you in that tutorial and blow the s**t out of u

Split the players up.

I know you've said you don't want to do that because of the small player base but by keeping everyone together you are hurting and severely reducing the new player influx. I've introduced 6 of my friends to Dust and all of them loved it until they left the academy. After a few day of me trying to coach them up and help them find a role they'd like they all quit because they got tried of getting destroyed every game by players like me who have 20+ million SP.

I would love to be grouped up with and against full teams of other prototype players, It would mean more competitive matches. Its why I love PC, everyone has proto which means the winner is determined by skill, teamwork, and tactics also lag.

New players ---------> 0 - 5 million SP
Advanced Players --> 5 - 10 Million SP
Veterans Players ---> 10 Million + SP

Also to help player development accelerate SP gains in the first 2 levels

New Players ---------> 2x Current SP gains
Advanced Players --> 1.5x Current SP gains
Veteran Players -----> Current SP gains

This will grow player base by allowing new players to stay competitive against each other and also allow them to reach levels that allow them to compete with veterans sooner.

I like your points, and I have a similar experience with my friends, but I think the only true solution to player retention is meta level capped matches, where you can only bring up to a certain meta level item into a game. I think general pubs should be set around 2 - 6, FW 7 - 8, and PC 9.

Trying to fix stomping with matchmaking is literally an impossible task, because of the small playerbase. Meta-level matches encourage new players to skill into core skills, as they should be doing anyways, if they want to be successful. This would allow players with less total SP to be more competitive at a quicker rate with a vet if they stick to playing at lower level matches, until they are ready to move up.

As far as splitting new players up, I don't really think the devs truly realize how much protostomping in pubs is killing their game. To those players that continually engage in it, and would leave if caps were in place, I say good riddance. The influx of new players I think would more than offset the departure of butthurt vets. We are long overdue for some new blood around here.