sp wont work as i stated above
wp wont work because they fluctuate too much. you have good days and you have bad days and if you logibro i.e not killing you end up with more point than the killers so that defeats the whole purpose of basing it on wp.
kdr is one of the most messed up stats on the leaderboard. how can anyone consider using that as a means to balance. total kills is also not a balance factor because some play more than others or have good or bad days.

you talk about retention like dust is dieing but its far from that. dust is no different than eve. its a harsh universe and you either fight through it or you die. you don't demand ccp to hold your hand and guide you through it. thats just stupid and goes against everything that makes eve good and when all the content is out will make dust great too.

what happens if ccp implements anything like your idea and gains thousands of new players. what happens when the training wheels are removed and people see the true harshness of dust and eve. they will drop by the thousands only they will take their friends with them and create masses of negative media attention and that will truely kill dust.

if your friends cant handle the pain then they are in the wrong game. this is not cod or BF with zero consequences where everyone is in the exact same gear with the exact same skill. this is meant to a harsh environment to create great combat and gameplay. dumbing it down and making it safe to play is pointless

also your suggestion of making alts for recruiting. its one thing to see a noob succeed against extreme odds against a proto swarm but how do you measure a good player when he is up against weaker or similar targets. if you want the best you need to see them at their best. how would having an alt in the lower and mid levels help me determine if that guy is any good when the odds are too balanced.

it hardly makes for an epic war game when you never have to worry about the unknown or what the next guy might do. when i started out after fanfest i was massively out skilled yet i kept hitting the proto stompers hard and it only made me better for it. if i was up against similar players the game would be boring and pointless to play and likely i wouldn't be where i am today.

good soldiers are forged in fire.

If dust got an in flux of thousands of new players it would be great because then the matchmaking system would work better. Yes SP, WP, and kills may not be ideal but something must be done to separate full proto players full militia and standard players. Perhaps lobbies with meta level restriction would be best but doing nothing is the worst thing CCP could do.

To massively increase player base is to increase the number of players graduating from academy to be frankly honest.

I always thought it would wouldn't be a bad idea to restrict tiers of equipment in Public contracts can only be Meta 0 or 1 items. FW can be ADV and only PROTO is allowed in PC matches.

Because what we have is working wonders on growing the player base

Honestly how did this guy get CPM

No you don't you need to separate 30 mill vets from New players. We play this everyday we are experiencing these problems. The servers numbers where merged with eve to mask the dwindling player base. Listen to your community because people are quitting by the dozen and I meen vets people who have spent 100's of dollars not a new player who just started dust a week ago. I tried to recommend this to a friend and he quit withing two days. There are no new players just vets who come back for updates. In hope that you CCP has actually done something with this game. This game will fail no it already is listen to us for we only want to save dust more then you. For you it's a paycheck to us it's enjoyment something money can't buy.

You don't seem to understand what the CPM is, exactly. CPM are part of the "community"; they're not CCP staff.

You can lecture the CPM as much as you like but ultimately CCP is calling the shots and has first and last say on everything Dust related. Also consider adding some line breaks so your posts look cleaner. Helps you get your posts read and ackowledged instead of dismissed as entitled whining, due to being a giant wall of text.

Also slightly off-topic, but I would argue enjoyment is oftentimes something that can be gained by spending money. There's a quite a few holidays that revolve around getting enjoyment from things that money bought, for example. Money can (and has) buy enjoyment. Not sure if you pulled that last part out of your ass or what... pretty funny though.

Leadership Squad bonuses would be very nice. It would further divided normals from squared members yes. But it would push people into corporations and squads and encourage people to really play together.

They could also add Corporation Public matches. Available only to player owned corporations and allow fully stocked teams. It can follow the old Corporation Contracts system but also allow the issuer to set tier restrictions. This gives corporations the ability to have fun games without worrying about useless teammatea. Spies are the corporation's responsibility to maintain.

This will push people to corporations even more for the chance at good team matches. The tier restrictions will encourage weaker corps to fright as well. Both teams being full of non useless people hopefully and both locked to a tier limit.

The problem is when people graduate the academy they don't stick around because the grind to get competitive is too long and for most people not worth the time. New players trying dust isn't the problem its new player retention.The harsh reality of the EVE universe works in EVE because of the security levels, in dust there's nothing but new players getting destroyed by vets.

Sure some have the fortitude to stick it out and stay but 90% of people who tried to play don't and just quit and move on to games that they can have fun in. Going 1 - 15 every match for a month is no fun, So CPM continue on with your misguided EVE ideals,

To massively increase player base is to increase the number of players graduating from academy to be frankly honest.

+ teiricide

PVE will help but not everyone wants to play against bots.

Pve is MUCH bigger then just 'drones'. The world will be at your finger tips. Blasting eve ships out of orbit. Buying your owwn turrets and installations. So much more.

thats the whole point. they are meant to be free for all. i know players who use nothing but standard and mlt with 5mil or less sp and they kill protos all day long. at the same time i know 20mil+ players who have less sp skilled into a single role than most low sp players who skilled into a singular purpose. how do you balance that.

you seem to neglect the fact someone with 5mil sp can proto out an assault suit quite easily. where does that leave your idea. you only have to look at the current academy to see peoples alts already doing this to some extent. sp is not a balancing factor to base balances like this on as everyone spends it differently.

sure we need more gameplay modes but your suggestion is not a new game play mode. its a blanket restriction to all gameplay based on something arbitrary like current sp total.

I always thought it would wouldn't be a bad idea to restrict tiers of equipment in Public contracts can only be Meta 0 or 1 items. FW can be ADV and only PROTO is allowed in PC matches.

Better yet just tiercide everything. Noobs can play with vets in a balanced battlefield, and what will really shine is player skill not proto modules.

Why can't people seem to understand as to why I would make such statement? How dense are you lot? I do have access to NDA content so let your imaginations work a short bit.

[quote=Talryn Vilneram]I always thought it would wouldn't be a bad idea to restrict tiers of equipment in Public contracts can only be Meta 0 or 1 items. FW can be ADV and only PROTO is allowed in PC matches.

Except that times up.

16 V 16 got old.
In Replication(and the build before that) we had 24 V 24.

We had small turrets that were eliminated and never came back.
We have tank spam but CCP does not bother to implement any infantry trenches.

Folks are looking foreward to 32 V 32 and 64 V 64 warfare.

Any friends that I tell about Dust 514 after hearing that its going to take three to six months of grind say WHY?

I ask them what do you mean?
My friends say that in three to six months theres more advanced shooters and thus why bother with Dust 514??

And what do I tell them?
Umm yeah grind for 3 to 6 months for a shooter that only has 16 V 16?

In my case its just waiting for April to go PS4 only games.
Sorry CCP.

Yup, sad thing is CCP is treating this game like its a PC MMO not a console shooter the same leveling dynamics don't work and CCP hasn't realized it yet.

Yup, sad thing is CCP is treating this game like its a PC MMO not a console shooter the same leveling dynamics don't work and CCP hasn't realized it yet.

To massively increase player base is to increase the number of players graduating from academy to be frankly honest.

Why can't people seem to understand as to why I would make such statement? How dense are you lot? I do have access to NDA content so let your imaginations work a short bit.

Fool dont you know dust should have basically the same new player experience as eve? On eve you are canonfodder till you get decent ships and modules. Till then you are just screwed and have to endulge in beeing stomped 24/7.

This is an old, old argument.

I disagree - here's why: I could easily name 50 players, yourself among them, who could roll brand new toons, run starter fits, and still dominate pubs.

Now if if that is true, then skillpoints and gear matter, but other things like gun game, battlefield awareness, tactics, communication and coordination matter a hell of a lot more.

This is an old, old argument.

I disagree - here's why: I could easily name 50 players, yourself among them, who could roll brand new toons, run starter fits, and still dominate pubs.

Now if if that is true, then skillpoints and gear matter, but other things like gun game, battlefield awareness, tactics, communication and coordination matter a hell of a lot more.