i also had an instance of sitting above C at maus peak, to me it was empty, to everyone else it was a bloodbath with 10ish from each side below.

50 meters away and i had to drive up into C to get people to render, it took a while.

also about 1 mil into AV

and 99% of them were invisable reguardless of range

"Push Back" I don't expect to kill a tankGǪ Im using tanker logic, using av as a deterrent and tanks being the killers. Read

"Push Back" I don't expect to kill a tankGǪ Im using tanker logic, using av as a deterrent and tanks being the killers. Read

Fine then if you cant survive pro av then its your problem

If that was even logical, then wouldn't we have to re-tittle the descriptions for FGs/SLs/PLCs?

Because last time I checked, Anti-Vehicle meant ANTI-Vehicle. No where in any of the weapon descriptions does it even come close to implying that AV should be a deterrent. Anyone who tells you that is a scrub who is butthurt over something other than a tank being able to kill them.\

Also. why skill into something to be a simple deterrent? Why even bother creating them?

I am not joking around, but there might be a problem with your PS3. Or your quality settings maybe?


Wow. That's about 1mil more than practically anyone who has a problem with AV. What weapon did you use?

the AV problem is that infantry AV are still behaving like they are invisable to tanks!

they spent 6 months with complete invisability to tanks, able to alpha them without tanks having the ability to even know where shots are coming from, using towers and extreme range to avoid infantry while they did it.


now they are

no longer invisable
cant shoot across the entire map


and they have no idea how to deal with it since they have never had to learn.

so far i have had almost no serious attempts on my tanks life, just a guy in an open field stairing me down standing still, shooting a swarm launcher or forge, completly in the open stairing me down like they are magically invisable or something.



only unlike pre 1.7 i can actually see them now, and so i can either railgun them in the face, or actually tank cover against their shots before they have 3 sets of swarms in the air.



i think the infantry AV problem is that they still think they are invisable....


its quite possable that the reason AV was so powerful pre 1.7 wasnt damage but range and invisability.

i vote for an AV buff for swarms and PLCs, it seems it was the extremem range and invisability was the imbalancing factor, the damage not so much.

First off, you realise the swarm launcher is caldari right? Its meant to be long range, about 250m would be about right!

Secondly, invisibility, poor rendering may have been a crutch, for some, but when people like Takio, Spkr spend their time in pub matches litterally charging into AV fire (in the redline) when over half the team is pounding away at you with mlt swarms, forges, locus, flux, av grenades and you can't tell me its not imbalanced!

And you did this in 1.5 for crying out loud!

First off, you realise the swarm launcher is caldari right? Its meant to be long range, about 250m would be about right!

Secondly, invisibility, poor rendering may have been a crutch, for some, but when people like Takio, Spkr spend their time in pub matches litterally charging into AV fire (in the redline) when over half the team is pounding away at you with mlt swarms, forges, locus, flux, av grenades and you can't tell me its not imbalanced!

And you did this in 1.5 for crying out loud!

I dont remember doing that in 1.5

If i did invisible swarms and FG would eat me alive generally

+ähm nope I have never felt this ways as I nearly never fought from buildings. But there is something wrong If you sneak up behind an unfitted militia Hav (across varoius enemy infantry that can easily kill you) and pump a whole clip of proto SL (with two compley damage mods) into it without killing it.

Supplementary damage weapons do.... supplementary damage? outrageous!
My Militia Scrambler Pistol should kill any target that gets hit once in the head! rah rah rah! (see the logic path there)

Forge guns are meant to be the primary assault variation, and explosives are meant for trap situations.

Hold on are you telling me that the SL are Supplementary weapons?
Is that why they are called ANTI-VEHICLE because they only assisst anti-vehicle operations?
Is that what you are now telling me?

Of course you wouldn't remember, it 2as pub stomp like any other, you and spkr literally charged into the redline! You didn't give a flying f'ck about the AV because despite the fact well over half the team was using it, it did almost no damage.

And now Proto AV isn't much more effective!

Just like these Tanks, AV shouldn't be FORCED to use teamwork!
Teamwork should be considerably more efficient and more likely to pull off, Teamwork should be desirable, not a necessity!

First off, you realise the swarm launcher is caldari right? Its meant to be long range, about 250m would be about right!

Secondly, invisibility, poor rendering may have been a crutch, for some, but when people like Takio, Spkr spend their time in pub matches litterally charging into AV fire (in the redline) when over half the team is pounding away at you with mlt swarms, forges, locus, flux, av grenades and you can't tell me its not imbalanced!

And you did this in 1.5 for crying out loud!

Of course you wouldn't remember, it 2as pub stomp like any other, you and spkr literally charged into the redline! You didn't give a flying f'ck about the AV because despite the fact well over half the team was using it, it did almost no damage.

And now Proto AV isn't much more effective!

Just like these Tanks, AV shouldn't be FORCED to use teamwork!
Teamwork should be considerably more efficient and more likely to pull off, Teamwork should be desirable, not a necessity!

If you're going to have that attitude, then we shouldn't have to be forced to use teamwork to tank well.

You're still angry that you lost your crutch and now aren't the primary means of taking out tanks. Tanks are their own best counter, which is how it should be.

Explain to me how getting swarmed and/or forged from 400 meters is any different than getting brained at the same distance from a Thales. The Thales user is invisible, does that mean he's using a crutch?

Majority were 400m away

What, just like the majority of tanks before 1.7 would sit in the red zone getting cheap kills? I'm a proto swarm AVer and only very rarely did i manage to kill a proto tank or proto dropship... the best i could hope for was to keep them from entering my squads point of interest! all the while scurrying from cover to cover and that was with 2 complex damage mods. Militia tanks were no problem, as they should be against proto's. Now i think i'd do more damage if i threw my launcher at the tank... i spent a lot of sp to get my AV fit and it's now useless, CCP should give all AV skill points back the same as they did with vehicle sp. Oh by the way... the only time i fired on a tank at max range was when it was in the red zone any decent proto AVer will tell you to get as close as possible to maximise your chances... now i've boycotted this game because of the sheer absurdity of nerfing, so has 80% of my corporation

you should of NEVER killed a proto tank.

they have never exsisted in the game

I'm pretty sure he means a tank with all proto gear.

im pretty sure hes just looking for an excuse to rant :P

I'm pretty sure he's within his right to, this game is so frustrating since 1.7

Any semblance of balance got thrown out the window