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Monkey MAC wrote:

Spkr4theDead wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

First off, you realise the swarm launcher is caldari right? Its meant to be long range, about 250m would be about right!

Secondly, invisibility, poor rendering may have been a crutch, for some, but when people like Takio, Spkr spend their time in pub matches litterally charging into AV fire (in the redline) when over half the team is pounding away at you with mlt swarms, forges, locus, flux, av grenades and you can't tell me its not imbalanced!

And you did this in 1.5 for crying out loud!

Lock range =/= maximum range

Charging into enemy AV fire, while in the redline. You fail to make sense.

Uh.. MLT swarms... lol... locus grenades are not anti vehicle... flux are next to useless when you're in an armor tank....

These are the people CCP catered to for so long. Someone that thinks all you need are MLT swarms for vehicles. Someone that thinks locus grenades are viable against vehicles.

Fact: I've taken out dropships with AV grenades because they didn't fly well enough.

Must I spell out everything for you Spkr, does your arrogance know no bounds?

You charged into MY redline, under fire from 6 mlt swarms and 2 mlt forges, people were lobbing whatever they had to hand peoplenwere litterally running out of ammo and it made no difference to you!

People were litterally driving lavs into you because nothing else was working! They threw fluxes and locus grenades because that is all they had!

And your telling me that tanks were underpowered? Your telling me that it was fair, that well over half a team couldn't fell 1 tank! Please we all know dropships were underpowered my mass driver took them out if they flew low enough!

But tanks now, they are grossly overpowered and you ARE A FOOL to think that its not! Tanks should never be the only counter to tanks! Thats escalation gameplay, it boils down to who has the most tanks, infantry tactics don't come into it if there is escalation gameplay because a superior infantry force at the moment, no matter how superior can't stand up to a blaster tank!

So please before you start embarrassing yourself get out of this game, because soon enough every tom **** and harry are gonna be in tanks, because nothing else is viable and its down to downright stupid people like yourself who believe tanks are the be all and end all of the battlefield!

GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR!

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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9169	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:16:00 - [61] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: you should of NEVER killed a proto tank. they have never exsisted in the game I'm pretty sure he means a tank with all proto gear. im pretty sure hes just looking for an excuse to rant :P I'm pretty sure he's within his right to, this game is so frustrating since 1.7 Any semblance of balance got thrown out the window the worst part of this game is the forums not the balance.... Odd, I didn't realize that the forums were causing 4 plus free sicas to camp the redline in any given game My bad Vids / O7
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 488	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:23:00 - [62] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Odd, I didn't realize that the forums were causing 4 plus free sicas to camp the redline in any given game My bad i walk around them.... its not hard, they are giant and make craptoons of noise... im not kidding, i only die to tanks when i screw up and am caught out of cover... the forums however are just full of people looking to rant about one thing or another.
Toxxikcity Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy 23	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:24:00 - [63] - Quote It's not a rant, and yes i meant proto fit tanks... just as my advanced medium assault drop suit is proto fitted to AV, i've been playing this game since the beginning of march so have been around from when tanks were indestructable and CCP had to buff the AV equipment, ordinarily i run as a ground pounder with a blueprint ar and would only pull out my AV or sniper fit when it was necessary to do so, ie when a decent tanker or sniper was hounding us... then for the few days i spent cowering behind rocks and in buildings after 1.7, i came to the conclusion that the game in it's current form is unplayable
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9169	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:24:00 - [64] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: i walk around them.... its not hard, they are giant and make craptoons of noise... im not kidding, i only die to tanks when i screw up and am caught out of cover... Hmm, didn't know dropships could walk. My bad again Vids / O7
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 488	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:25:00 - [65] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Odd, I didn't realize that the forums were causing 4 plus free sicas to camp the redline in any given game My bad i walk around them.... its not hard, they are giant and make craptoons of noise... im not kidding, i only die to tanks when i screw up and am caught out of cover... Hmm, didn't know dropships could walk. My bad again i LOS them.... or call in my rail and dispose of them multiple times out of spite.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9169	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:27:00 - [66] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Odd, I didn't realize that the forums were causing 4 plus free sicas to camp the redline in any given game My bad i walk around them.... its not hard, they are giant and make craptoons of noise... im not kidding, i only die to tanks when i screw up and am caught out of cover... Hmm, didn't know dropships could walk. My bad again i LOS them.... or call in my rail and dispose of them multiple times out of spite. You don't see the problem with the only reliable AV for redline railtanks being another free redline railtank? It's hard to LOS them when they have a free LOS of the whole map.... I don't think it's exactly viable to float behind a single tower the whole match..... Vids / O7
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 489	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:28:00 - [67] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Odd, I didn't realize that the forums were causing 4 plus free sicas to camp the redline in any given game My bad i walk around them.... its not hard, they are giant and make craptoons of noise... im not kidding, i only die to tanks when i screw up and am caught out of cover... Hmm, didn't know dropships could walk. My bad again i LOS them.... or call in my rail and dispose of them multiple times out of spite. You don't see the problem with the only reliable AV for redline railtanks being another free redline railtank? It's hard to LOS them when they have a free LOS of the whole map.... I don't think it's exactly viable to float behind a single tower the whole match..... yes because I perssonally use a railgun that means they are the only method of destruction.... and dont insult me by calling me a redline railtank, unless of course you mean when i go into THEIR redline and kill them :P if you cant LOS them your not looking hard enough for places to call it in really
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9169	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:30:00 - [68] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: if you cant LOS them your not looking hard enough for places to call it in really You keep enlightening me. I had no idea the only part of flying a dropship was calling it in. Wow, I've been doing it so wrong all this time, flying around trying to support my team. Man, if only I knew it was all about just calling it in. Thanks man, that helps a lot. Vids / O7
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 489	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:32:00 - [69] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: if you cant LOS them your not looking hard enough for places to call it in really You keep enlightening me. I had no idea the only part of flying a dropship was calling it in. Wow, I've been doing it so wrong all this time, flying around trying to support my team. Man, if only I knew it was all about just calling it in. Thanks man, that helps a lot. looks at thread nope still cant find the place where this thread was about railguns vs dropships. still have zero fucks to give either find a way to have fun, or stop playing and cloging up the forums with nothing but threads from people whining about things.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9169	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:34:00 - [70] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: still have zero fucks to give Seems we have something in common after all Vids / O7

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 489	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:35:00 - [71] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: still have zero fucks to give Seems we have something in common after all heres a hint, calling it in out of LOS is the first step in them not knowing your there in the first place.... then fly up REALLY high and dive bomb the ***** one at a time. if you cant manage that then strap some remotes to the ship first THEN divebomb the ***** ill even share my divebombimg fit 2x hardener 1x afterburner you got 48 seconds to do some work then GFTO back to the flight cieling cant kill it in 48 seconds you say? well then resort to terrorism
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 655	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:38:00 - [72] - Quote remove the lock on of the swarm launcher and all will be fine https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Cosgar ParagonX 8890	Posted - 2013.12.19 17:43:00 - [73] - Quote Aside from veteran tankers, you rarely see anyone in a tank go 30/0 anymore and veteran AVers have no trouble taking hey new tanks out. They basically found a good middle ground by making it harder for either side to kill eachother unless you get good at it. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1275	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:02:00 - [74] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: First off, you realise the swarm launcher is caldari right? Its meant to be long range, about 250m would be about right! Secondly, invisibility, poor rendering may have been a crutch, for some, but when people like Takio, Spkr spend their time in pub matches litterally charging into AV fire (in the redline) when over half the team is pounding away at you with mlt swarms, forges, locus, flux, av grenades and you can't tell me its not imbalanced! And you did this in 1.5 for crying out loud! Lock range =/= maximum range Charging into enemy AV fire, while in the redline. You fail to make sense. Uh.. MLT swarms... lol... locus grenades are not anti vehicle... flux are next to useless when you're in an armor tank.... These are the people CCP catered to for so long. Someone that thinks all you need are MLT swarms for vehicles. Someone that thinks locus grenades are viable against vehicles. Fact: I've taken out dropships with AV grenades because they didn't fly well enough. Must I spell out everything for you Spkr, does your arrogance know no bounds? You charged into MY redline, under fire from 6 mlt swarms and 2 mlt forges, people were lobbing whatever they had to hand peoplenwere litterally running out of ammo and it made no difference to you! People were litterally driving lavs into you because nothing else was working! They threw fluxes and locus grenades because that is all they had! And your telling me that tanks were underpowered? Your telling me that it was fair, that well over half a team couldn't fell 1 tank! Please we all know dropships were underpowered my mass driver took them out if they flew low enough! But tanks now, they are grossly overpowered and you ARE A FOOL to think that its not! Tanks should never be the only counter to tanks! Thats escalation gameplay, it boils down to who has the most tanks, infantry tactics don't come into it if there is escalation gameplay because a superior infantry force at the moment, no matter how superior can't stand up to a blaster tank! So please before you start embarrassing yourself get out of this game, because soon enough every tom **** and harry are gonna be in tanks, because nothing else is viable and its down to downright stupid people like yourself who believe tanks are the be all and end all of the battlefield! GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 495	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:48:00 - [75] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: First off, you realise the swarm launcher is caldari right? Its meant to be long range, about 250m would be about right! Secondly, invisibility, poor rendering may have been a crutch, for some, but when people like Takio, Spkr spend their time in pub matches litterally charging into AV fire (in the redline) when over half the team is pounding away at you with mlt swarms, forges, locus, flux, av grenades and you can't tell me its not imbalanced! And you did this in 1.5 for crying out loud! Lock range =/= maximum range Charging into enemy AV fire, while in the redline. You fail to make sense. Uh.. MLT swarms... lol... locus grenades are not anti vehicle... flux are next to useless when you're in an armor tank.... These are the people CCP catered to for so long. Someone that thinks all you need are MLT swarms for vehicles. Someone that thinks locus grenades are viable against vehicles. Fact: I've taken out dropships with AV grenades because they didn't fly well enough. Must I spell out everything for you Spkr, does your arrogance know no bounds? You charged into MY redline, under fire from 6 mlt swarms and 2 mlt forges, people were lobbing whatever they had to hand peoplenwere litterally running out of ammo and it made no difference to you! People were litterally driving lavs into you because nothing else was working! They threw fluxes and locus grenades because that is all they had! And your telling me that tanks were underpowered? Your telling me that it was fair, that well over half a team couldn't fell 1 tank! Please we all know dropships were underpowered my mass driver took them out if they flew low enough! But tanks now, they are grossly overpowered and you ARE A FOOL to think that its not! Tanks should never be the only counter to tanks! Thats escalation gameplay, it boils down to who has the most tanks, infantry tactics don't come into it if there is escalation gameplay because a superior infantry force at the moment, no matter how superior can't stand up to a blaster tank! So please before you start embarrassing yourself get out of this game, because soon enough every tom **** and harry are gonna be in tanks, because nothing else is viable and its down to downright stupid people like yourself who believe tanks are the be all and end all of the battlefield! GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR! all of the above is NOT evidence of overpowered HAVs you can do the same thing with a duvolle :P or anything for that matter ive done it with a toxin SMG
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9172	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:50:00 - [76] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: all of the above is NOT evidence of overpowered HAVs you can do the same thing with a duvolle :P or anything for that matter Can't say I remember the last time a lone Duvolle charged the redline causing half the team to focus fire him to no effect... Either that or we just read two totally different passages... Vids / O7
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 495	Posted - 2013.12.19 18:51:00 - [77] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: all of the above is NOT evidence of overpowered HAVs you can do the same thing with a duvolle :P or anything for that matter Can't say I remember the last time a lone Duvolle charged the redline causing half the team to focus fire him to no effect... Either that or we just read two totally different passages... ive done it with a toxin SMG, getting 8+ focusing on just stopping me from running intot he redline to killt hem all, dodging granades of all types, every type of gunfire imaginable. just little ole me and a toxin keeping half their team stuck into the redline. doing it in a tank is as OP as doing it in my sever logi with a toxin the ability to do so istn dependant on what you use, but rather how good you are.
Darius Ashran Bragian Order Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2013.12.19 19:45:00 - [78] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: First off, you realise the swarm launcher is caldari right? Its meant to be long range, about 250m would be about right! Secondly, invisibility, poor rendering may have been a crutch, for some, but when people like Takio, Spkr spend their time in pub matches litterally charging into AV fire (in the redline) when over half the team is pounding away at you with mlt swarms, forges, locus, flux, av grenades and you can't tell me its not imbalanced! And you did this in 1.5 for crying out loud! I dont remember doing that in 1.5 If i did invisible swarms and FG would eat me alive generally Of course you wouldn't remember, it 2as pub stomp like any other, you and spkr literally charged into the redline! You didn't give a flying f'ck about the AV because despite the fact well over half the team was using it, it did almost no damage. And now Proto AV isn't much more effective! Just like these Tanks, AV shouldn't be FORCED to use teamwork! Teamwork should be considerably more efficient and more likely to pull off, Teamwork should be desirable, not a necessity! Sir with due respect, this above statement is bullshit of the highest order. I have been regularly running with AV since the game was in beta . And have continued to do so again with this last patch. Is team work better and more efficient? Atm yes most defiantly. 1 proto forge / Proto swarm / 2 Proto forge or 2 Breach advanced forge. This is the current minimum I have observed to be required to effectively take out a standard quality tanks without a long drawn out strategy or chase. I have personally been running with proto and advanced forges with some advanced fluxs killing Both armor and shield militia tanks. I wont say its a cake walk at this point since the hardener change. But it is very possible to solo. And to do so consistently. A higher quality tank should not be so easily killed however. Do we need more AV utility options? Like the long pined for web grenades?( ment to slow tanks or temprorarily stall them) I think so yes. To better balance AV . And Swarms Have and can kill tanks atm. But not solo to my knowledge or at least Not easily solo. And defiantly not against standard quality tanks. The prices are almost right and while I think standard quality vehicles in general might need a slight increase The milita ones are cheap and minimal effectiveness. Does AV need work? Yes of course. Does it all need a buff? No. Av nades and swarms certainly need another pass. But forge and tanks are imo well balanced atm . If you think your proto forge should be able to solo a tank. Completely alone. You are delusional. Frankly a team that allows any player be they in a tank, proto in a lav , a DS squad, or simply on foot, to run rampant and without counter deserves to loose and loose horribly. Don't be a *****, man up and actually learn to fight rather then rage about a nerf when it is your poor tactics or lack of skill on the part of you, your squad, or your team, that is resulting in the repeated failure to win.
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 191	Posted - 2013.12.19 20:02:00 - [79] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: being insible 400 m away IS a crutch.... just like when the invisable shotgunners ran pampant You say that as if every SL user was always 400m away. Majority were 400m away and 99% of them were invisable reguardless of range Wtf? I have never been invisible to the infantry shooting me to pieces while I was hunting HAV's. I have been killed by HAV's, Riflemen, Snipers and even tower forges while I was approaching an enemy tank... There are some maps where tower swarming worked but honestly with the stupid swarms I always prefered to get rather close to HAV's (therefore the range nerf does not bother me for fighting HAV's). He's not talking about anyone around the tank, he's referring to the recently patched issue where tank drivers couldn't render basically anything beyond say 100m, and it was kinda iffy if anything'd get rendered at all until about 50m away. Sure everyone around the tank could see you, but odds are, the man in the tank himself could not. Closed Beta Vet since July, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust


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