Invisible? we are more invisible now then we ever wereGǪ in 1.6 you couldn't ignore a onslaught of swarms invisible or notGǪ now tanks shrug them off like flies. I prided myself on wrecking tanks and fought close so I could dump every av grenade and swarm in my clip to ensure you were dead. Blasters if your 2 feet away are easy to avoid. Now if i get close you can be half way across the map in 5 seconds IF i manage to damage you enough

An AV suit should be dangerous the scout shotty version of the vehicle worldGǪ easy to kill yet nothing disorients a squad faster. you assume we had a crutch. though many did

I never fought 400 m awayGǪ your assuming. I knew there were good tankers out there in 1.6 is it so hard to believe that there isn't good av? You have the upper hand now and everyone else is a scrub? Sound logic there bud. Two sides to a coin always

So you believe that a "crutch" is the problem with AV?

What is your proficiency in Swarm Launchers again? Forge Guns? Total SP investment?

My guess: 0-310,900SP

Majority were 400m away

Invisible? How was I invisible when my farthest kill with a Swarm Launcher was 30m?

Don't give me that BS about rendering either, because when I'm tanking infantry would still render at 30m.

Now just answer the question.

Well then there is a serious problem with your PS3, as that problem has never once happened to me.

Never once while driving my tank (Pre & Post 1.7) have I ever had a problem with rendering below 50m.

Now how about answering the question.

I am not joking around, but there might be a problem with your PS3. Or your quality settings maybe?


Wow. That's about 1mil more than practically anyone who has a problem with AV. What weapon did you use?

First off, you realise the swarm launcher is caldari right? Its meant to be long range, about 250m would be about right!

Secondly, invisibility, poor rendering may have been a crutch, for some, but when people like Takio, Spkr spend their time in pub matches litterally charging into AV fire (in the redline) when over half the team is pounding away at you with mlt swarms, forges, locus, flux, av grenades and you can't tell me its not imbalanced!

And you did this in 1.5 for crying out loud!

Explain to me how getting swarmed and/or forged from 400 meters is any different than getting brained at the same distance from a Thales. The Thales user is invisible, does that mean he's using a crutch?

What, just like the majority of tanks before 1.7 would sit in the red zone getting cheap kills? I'm a proto swarm AVer and only very rarely did i manage to kill a proto tank or proto dropship... the best i could hope for was to keep them from entering my squads point of interest! all the while scurrying from cover to cover and that was with 2 complex damage mods. Militia tanks were no problem, as they should be against proto's. Now i think i'd do more damage if i threw my launcher at the tank... i spent a lot of sp to get my AV fit and it's now useless, CCP should give all AV skill points back the same as they did with vehicle sp. Oh by the way... the only time i fired on a tank at max range was when it was in the red zone any decent proto AVer will tell you to get as close as possible to maximise your chances... now i've boycotted this game because of the sheer absurdity of nerfing, so has 80% of my corporation

I'm pretty sure he means a tank with all proto gear.

I'm pretty sure he's within his right to, this game is so frustrating since 1.7

Any semblance of balance got thrown out the window

Odd, I didn't realize that the forums were causing 4 plus free sicas to camp the redline in any given game

My bad

Hmm, didn't know dropships could walk.

My bad again

You don't see the problem with the only reliable AV for redline railtanks being another free redline railtank?

It's hard to LOS them when they have a free LOS of the whole map....

I don't think it's exactly viable to float behind a single tower the whole match.....

You keep enlightening me.

I had no idea the only part of flying a dropship was calling it in.

Wow, I've been doing it so wrong all this time, flying around trying to support my team. Man, if only I knew it was all about just calling it in.

Thanks man, that helps a lot.

Seems we have something in common after all

Must I spell out everything for you Spkr, does your arrogance know no bounds?

You charged into MY redline, under fire from 6 mlt swarms and 2 mlt forges, people were lobbing whatever they had to hand peoplenwere litterally running out of ammo and it made no difference to you!

People were litterally driving lavs into you because nothing else was working! They threw fluxes and locus grenades because that is all they had!

And your telling me that tanks were underpowered? Your telling me that it was fair, that well over half a team couldn't fell 1 tank! Please we all know dropships were underpowered my mass driver took them out if they flew low enough!

But tanks now, they are grossly overpowered and you ARE A FOOL to think that its not! Tanks should never be the only counter to tanks! Thats escalation gameplay, it boils down to who has the most tanks, infantry tactics don't come into it if there is escalation gameplay because a superior infantry force at the moment, no matter how superior can't stand up to a blaster tank!

So please before you start embarrassing yourself get out of this game, because soon enough every tom **** and harry are gonna be in tanks, because nothing else is viable and its down to downright stupid people like yourself who believe tanks are the be all and end all of the battlefield!

GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR!

Can't say I remember the last time a lone Duvolle charged the redline causing half the team to focus fire him to no effect...

Either that or we just read two totally different passages...