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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.12.19 13:18:00 -
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First off, you realise the swarm launcher is caldari right? Its meant to be long range, about 250m would be about right!
Secondly, invisibility, poor rendering may have been a crutch, for some, but when people like Takio, Spkr spend their time in pub matches litterally charging into AV fire (in the redline) when over half the team is pounding away at you with mlt swarms, forges, locus, flux, av grenades and you can't tell me its not imbalanced!
And you did this in 1.5 for crying out loud!
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:52:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:First off, you realise the swarm launcher is caldari right? Its meant to be long range, about 250m would be about right!
Secondly, invisibility, poor rendering may have been a crutch, for some, but when people like Takio, Spkr spend their time in pub matches litterally charging into AV fire (in the redline) when over half the team is pounding away at you with mlt swarms, forges, locus, flux, av grenades and you can't tell me its not imbalanced!
And you did this in 1.5 for crying out loud! I dont remember doing that in 1.5 If i did invisible swarms and FG would eat me alive generally
Of course you wouldn't remember, it 2as pub stomp like any other, you and spkr literally charged into the redline! You didn't give a flying f'ck about the AV because despite the fact well over half the team was using it, it did almost no damage.
And now Proto AV isn't much more effective!
Just like these Tanks, AV shouldn't be FORCED to use teamwork!
Teamwork should be considerably more efficient and more likely to pull off, Teamwork should be desirable, not a necessity!
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2013.12.19 16:11:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:the AV problem is that infantry AV are still behaving like they are invisable to tanks!
they spent 6 months with complete invisability to tanks, able to alpha them without tanks having the ability to even know where shots are coming from, using towers and extreme range to avoid infantry while they did it.
now they are
no longer invisable
cant shoot across the entire map
and they have no idea how to deal with it since they have never had to learn.
so far i have had almost no serious attempts on my tanks life, just a guy in an open field stairing me down standing still, shooting a swarm launcher or forge, completly in the open stairing me down like they are magically invisable or something.
only unlike pre 1.7 i can actually see them now, and so i can either railgun them in the face, or actually tank cover against their shots before they have 3 sets of swarms in the air.
i think the infantry AV problem is that they still think they are invisable....
its quite possable that the reason AV was so powerful pre 1.7 wasnt damage but range and invisability.
i vote for an AV buff for swarms and PLCs, it seems it was the extremem range and invisability was the imbalancing factor, the damage not so much. +ähm nope I have never felt this ways as I nearly never fought from buildings. But there is something wrong If you sneak up behind an unfitted militia Hav (across varoius enemy infantry that can easily kill you) and pump a whole clip of proto SL (with two compley damage mods) into it without killing it. Supplementary damage weapons do.... supplementary damage? outrageous! My Militia Scrambler Pistol should kill any target that gets hit once in the head! rah rah rah! (see the logic path there) Forge guns are meant to be the primary assault variation, and explosives are meant for trap situations.
Hold on are you telling me that the SL are Supplementary weapons?
Is that why they are called ANTI-VEHICLE because they only assisst anti-vehicle operations?
Is that what you are now telling me?
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:02:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:First off, you realise the swarm launcher is caldari right? Its meant to be long range, about 250m would be about right!
Secondly, invisibility, poor rendering may have been a crutch, for some, but when people like Takio, Spkr spend their time in pub matches litterally charging into AV fire (in the redline) when over half the team is pounding away at you with mlt swarms, forges, locus, flux, av grenades and you can't tell me its not imbalanced!
And you did this in 1.5 for crying out loud! Lock range =/= maximum range Charging into enemy AV fire, while in the redline. You fail to make sense. Uh.. MLT swarms... lol... locus grenades are not anti vehicle... flux are next to useless when you're in an armor tank.... These are the people CCP catered to for so long. Someone that thinks all you need are MLT swarms for vehicles. Someone that thinks locus grenades are viable against vehicles. Fact: I've taken out dropships with AV grenades because they didn't fly well enough.
Must I spell out everything for you Spkr, does your arrogance know no bounds?
You charged into MY redline, under fire from 6 mlt swarms and 2 mlt forges, people were lobbing whatever they had to hand peoplenwere litterally running out of ammo and it made no difference to you!
People were litterally driving lavs into you because nothing else was working! They threw fluxes and locus grenades because that is all they had!
And your telling me that tanks were underpowered? Your telling me that it was fair, that well over half a team couldn't fell 1 tank! Please we all know dropships were underpowered my mass driver took them out if they flew low enough!
But tanks now, they are grossly overpowered and you ARE A FOOL to think that its not! Tanks should never be the only counter to tanks! Thats escalation gameplay, it boils down to who has the most tanks, infantry tactics don't come into it if there is escalation gameplay because a superior infantry force at the moment, no matter how superior can't stand up to a blaster tank!
So please before you start embarrassing yourself get out of this game, because soon enough every tom **** and harry are gonna be in tanks, because nothing else is viable and its down to downright stupid people like yourself who believe tanks are the be all and end all of the battlefield!
GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR!
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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