Yeah we could do all that or we could:

1. Get in tank
2. Massacre everything in sight, no thinking or teamwork required.

You do that

Then i come up behind you and alpha you to death because your solo and dont know that an enemy tank is coming behind you or i could get another guy with proto FG and wait till your hardeners are done

It seems yet again vehicle pilots have to tell infantry how to destroy a tank

Or, when you try that, realize getting behind him means getting past 1/3 of his team, half of who have proto AV nades and have an ichy finger to throw every last one at you.

Not that you'll care because you'll be moving so fast the nades won't even register. Lol

You do that

Then i come up behind you and alpha you to death because your solo and dont know that an enemy tank is coming behind you or i could get another guy with proto FG and wait till your hardeners are done

all credibility lost in the first few words. congratulations. you are, just another average tank driver that is biased and stuck in his tunnelvision dreamworld.

additionally your memory seems to be really bad, it were the tank drivers whining all around how their tanks are not able to solo entire squads like an average CoD kid math and vids of matches shown months ago that a tank can survive a single proto swarm for 20 seconds, some people in dust uni can but those allmighty self-appointed pros could not, the irony.

there were obvious problems, like roof forges due to map design, too fast scaling AV weaponry and core mechanics but none of them were really fixed, all the problems were now shifted to tanks itself. you do not need to have a magic crystal ball to see what will happen now, CCP will realise the mistake, swing the nerfhammer really hard and you will be begging to get 1.6 back.

final notes:
my tank is now cheaper than a full proto suit fit but is practically invincible to infantry and takes alot of effort to take down and I dont even use the bugged militia nitro, I am plenty fast without it. the only counter I have is other tanks. its like playing rock paper scissor with the difference that rocks only die to other rocks. I know what I will be picking only rocks now.

You know something is wrong when your most effective way to kill a tank is a LAV packed with remotes...while there are AV weapons in this game...

1. I don't argue the range nerf to swarms was ok for me the damage nerf was a bit too much but I guess this could change.

2. The PLC? Even most who use the PLC with great success admit its more an AI weapon than an AV weapon and horribly UP (but fun as hell to use) - FG has been AI for howlong? its not classed as AV either

3. currently even militia tanks shrugg of Proto Av and thats a bit problematic what will happen once advanced or proto hulls are available? (stupid concept to give proto AV but only std hulls) - Ask CCP, maybe when proto hulls arrive it all gets bumped up, who knows?

4. Area of denial - I would agree that would be a solution but the problem is the AV guy don't get a reward for repelling a tank and currently tanks come back too fast so its either kill or nothing don't blame the AVler for that. - Give back pts then like they once did

5. Invisible swarms is a bad thing and CCP should have solved this ages ago ;/ - Not as bad now, plus i can see the guy now

6. Teamwork - well shouldn't this be true for both sides? Why do tankers want AV to require Teamwork while wrecking havoc solo? Teamwork worked for tanks in 1.6 a Tank supported by Infantry was quite dangerous but I think its too much to ask for tankers to bring infantry with them, But wait now tankers say we should bring in tanks to stop tanks - This logic is amusing -
I dont wreck solo, im in a group with mics always finidng out what that enemy bolas dropped and if any tanks/AV is about

7. Communication - see 6 apart from that sure

8. Traps see 6 - Why should I have to organise a trap when you can drive around in your tank uncontested - makes no sense - Alpha damage, if you cant see the benefits of a trap then what can i say

9. Forge you are right we have two (or three if you count the PLC as AV) AV weapons where only one is viable to counter Vehicles, so CCP should simply remove the swarms and refund the SP - Swarms still have uses, i still see them getting kills, its how you use the weapon

10. regarding the nitro bug its the same with the invisible swarms and I don't expect any solution soon I know it's not the tankers fault but it is stupid, screwing balance and I expect this to last on for a while but maybe CCP will surprise me - Nitro is easier to hotfix than the swarms

try it in PC

get smart like the tankers did.

get smart like the tankers did. adapt or die like the tankers did. now you know how it was for tankers.

also, I love how its always the same people complaining about tanks, makes it seem like theres more of them.

another proof of lack of credibility.

PC aka photoslideshow 514, is definately the answer to everything

So tell me again.

Why should. I use AV for AV when an HAV does the job better again?

How do you destroy a vehicle that you can't damage without it escaping. (Even without the lolnitous vehicles move too fast for AV).

Also, the hardner on shielded vehicle needs to be away brighter. The white color causes the aura to blend in to the point where you have to stare directly at the vehicle to see if it's hardners are on.

When PC works it works

2 organized teams with proto everything going at each other, you soon see what comes to be FOTM and what is broken

Then again you are D- UNI and are still training so i dont expect you to leave pub matches with broken matchmaking

When PC works it works

2 organized teams with proto everything going at each other, you soon see what comes to be FOTM and what is broken

Then again you are D- UNI and are still training so i dont expect you to leave pub matches with broken matchmaking

AV is still good, you have to use it to its advantages now and not just spam it

Also if you cant tell if hardeners are on then you need your eyes tested

I could say the same about the people QQing about the llolrendering glitch on Swarm Launchers. It's ironic how these same people are the ones saying to calm down about the lolnitous bug. (Which doesn't matter because even without the MLT NOS bug vehicles still move way too fast.

You still haven't answered the question, so I'll do it for you.

Currently, there is no good reason that anyone can supply me as to why I should use my AV instead of my HAV.

A Sica/Soma has the capacity of 2 PRO AV. That's a problem.

And lol the aura around hardnened shielded vehicles barely renders past 15m. Even SLs rendered past 15m.

Can't say I didn't expect this from you.

You can't balance vehicles and AV for a game mode that the majority of the playerbase doesn't participate in, nor could participate in if they wanted to.

That's like balancing ARs around the Ambush gamemode

I could say the same about the people QQing about the llolrendering glitch on Swarm Launchers. It's ironic how these same people are the ones saying to calm down about the lolnitous bug. (Which doesn't matter because even without the MLT NOS bug vehicles still move way too fast.

You still haven't answered the question, so I'll do it for you.

Currently, there is no good reason that anyone can supply me as to why I should use my AV instead of my HAV.

A Sica/Soma has the capacity of 2 PRO AV. That's a problem.

And lol the aura around hardnened shielded vehicles barely renders past 15m. Even SLs rendered past 15m.

not to mention a tank is cheaper than the proto AV suit required to even bother a tank.

Wrong

500k is not cheaper than 200k

Regarding your answers:

to 2) Regarding the PLC its really a poor AV weapon and thats the reason it is used against Infantry (and ist rarely used overall). The reason is simply the damage is not very high for an AV weapon considering the HP you can have without modules, it needs to reload after every shot, has a stupid charge and a rather slow projectile that has an arc (well the thing with the arc is it makes not much sense to me but this is rather a personal thing^^) - It is very skill based and does need a good buff, the damage is good but its the reload time which kills it in my view and its only has 1 shot, speed of proj was sped up recently but maybe a good overall buff will bring it up

to 3) As I said a stupid concept

to 4) this could work but still repelling a tank should have an effect that last longer than a few seconds

to 5) Still a stupid Bug that shold be resolved a long time ago

to 6) This was not meant as a personal attack, but there are more than enough tankers that want to run solo and expect AV to rely on teamwork - Could say back in 1.6 and well before it was the other way around with AV being solo and not wanting teamwork

to 8) I know the benefit of a trap and I have done this before :). But there is the problem with scalability why should I have to organise a trap that involves multiple AV guy and there takes a way more than one gun. While a tank drive without to really care if there is Infantry based resistance or not. Apart from that trapping is a situational thing and if your sense of balance relies to a soltution that works just on occasion...well - Its an option, use tools for the job and what you got, 2man trap isnt hard tbh and frankly it doesnt have to be complicated but like i said its an option

to 9) I know exactly how to use the Swarm and I was nearly always close to tanks when I killed them (because I know all the drawbacks of swarm as well) but currently this weapon is not worth the risk of beeing slaugthered by any other infantrymen. Especially with the new rifles. Sneaking up a tank and throw RE's or plasterring a LAV with RE's seems more reliable currently. - Swarms got changed because 400m covered the entire map, also renedring issues did it solve it well im not so sure since my rail can see everyting at 600m at least so rendering does seem to be fixed but not by reducing the swarm range since i see missiles further out also, plus we still have small maps and the missiles themselves go past the lock range btw

to 10) Hmm CCP has a tendency for taking their time even with simple fixes so again I don't expect any solution soon but hey as I said may be CCP surprises me here ^^ - Cant be any longer than 6+months with AV and swarms

Wrong

500k is not cheaper than 200k

Wrong

500k is not cheaper than 200k

Pubs isnt balanced because matchmaking isnt even working

PC is competitve where its proto vs proto

Pubs is proto vs milita where you cant balance

And people laughed at Maths, MATHS TRIUMPHS ALL!

how often do you want to point out that you have zero credibility... you do need not the best tank with proto mods to kill other tanks, you point is again null and void.

to 2) So we agree the PLC is UP and not very viable as AV weapon ^^

to 6) Its easy 1 person should be able to fight of 1 tank as long as 1 person is enough to have a tank fully operable and the teamsize is fixed. I admit AV was on the upper hand in 1.6 but not nearly as far as many tanker said. I had quite some challanging duels but I had easy kills as well. So in genral I am not against the rebalance its just the coin flipped from one side to the other and both is bad for the game.

to 8) To have options is a good thing relieing on them a bad.

to 9) I think the range nerf is ok and deserved but the damage nerf was a bit too much overall.

I think most points are up to CCP as it is their game we can only provide feedback based on experience and personal opinions.

Pubs isnt balanced because matchmaking isnt even working

PC is competitve where its proto vs proto

Pubs is proto vs milita where you cant balance

1 person can fight off my tank, its been done already to me this build, its the bad AV players who consistantly hit me

There is no matchmaking whatsoever in this game. (And no Scotty does not count)

That still doesn't change the fact that you can't balance things based on PC, as not everyone plays the PC gamemode.

What you can do is balance around all of the gamemodes though.

But I'm sure he considers CCP using tanks in ambush stats as a legitimate metric for determining that tanks are OP.

There is no matchmaking whatsoever in this game. (And no Scotty does not count)

That still doesn't change the fact that you can't balance things based on PC, as not everyone plays the PC gamemode.

What you can do is balance around all of the gamemodes though.

because you are a scrub with zero credibility as you have already nicely pointed out by yourself with your comments.

no point in arguing with such a biased tunnelvision scrub.

How does he have zero credibility?

Only good matchmaking is in PC where you fight competant teams with mics/plans and the best gear

Balancing in pubs is a bad idea because lolmilitia vs proto

Nope.

Balance around PC is even worse because it assumes that everyone is always running Tier III or Tier IV gear.

It also assumes that everyone is always squaded up, and constantly communicating.

It also assumes that everyone is trying their hardest to succeed.

Which is hardly the case in PUB matches.

That is excatly why you balance for PC matches

Pubs is full of idiots and a few groups vs idiots

1.6 Any AV weapon bar the plasma cannon could **** a fully fitted tank in seconds

Wrong

500k is not cheaper than 200k

AV is still good, you have to use it to its advantages now and not just spam it

Also if you cant tell if hardeners are on then you need your eyes tested

A solid post Takahiro. As the author of the Swarm Launcher guide I support your message. Now if only I could get into a match that had some tanks in it so I could properly assess the current state of the Swarm Launcher and determine the best tactics under these new conditions.

its the bad AV players who consistantly hit me at the wrong time and with the wrong AV and cry about it

Its an option

See how the damage plays out, speed is the overall factor in the current cases since they are that fast

A solid post Takahiro. As the author of the Swarm Launcher guide I support your message. Now if only I could get into a match that had some tanks in it so I could properly assess the current state of the Swarm Launcher and determine the best tactics under these new conditions.

2. Swarms - Everyone has swarms due to how OP they were last build, now pilots can see the missles and also the user and with the range nerf we can speed away from you, also swarms deal explosive damage best for using against madrugars and not shield tanks unless they are not shiny

A solid post Takahiro. As the author of the Swarm Launcher guide I support your message. Now if only I could get into a match that had some tanks in it so I could properly assess the current state of the Swarm Launcher and determine the best tactics under these new conditions.

A solid post Takahiro. As the author of the Swarm Launcher guide I support your message. Now if only I could get into a match that had some tanks in it so I could properly assess the current state of the Swarm Launcher and determine the best tactics under these new conditions.

If you have everything maxed out, then you may get up to 500k for a tank, but I doubt most people are spending that. last build my standard LAV+suit was over 400k, and if I ran with a proto turret, it was over 600k. So why do you think I shouldn't be able to solo a tank? You get to solo me and everyone else on the map?

how the hell did tankers adapt to anything? They still pranced around pointing and clicking on everything in sight and then ran to the red zone and red line sniped when someone was shooting at them. They need to take off their skirts and fight, otherwise they have no room to b****.

Tanks can still be solo'd, but it's mostly because there are so many stupid tankers out here now that don't know what they're doing. And then there are people like me who don't do anything but look for tanks to be at there weak point.

You know something is wrong when your most effective way to kill a tank is a LAV packed with remotes...while there are AV weapons in this game...

1. I don't argue the range nerf to swarms was ok for me the damage nerf was a bit too much but I guess this could change.

2. The PLC? Even most who use the PLC with great success admit its more an AI weapon than an AV weapon and horribly UP (but fun as hell to use)

3. currently even militia tanks shrugg of Proto Av and thats a bit problematic what will happen once advanced or proto hulls are available? (stupid concept to give proto AV but only std hulls)

4. Area of denial - I would agree that would be a solution but the problem is the AV guy don't get a reward for repelling a tank and currently tanks come back too fast so its either kill or nothing don't blame the AVler for that.

5. Invisible swarms is a bad thing and CCP should have solved this ages ago ;/

6. Teamwork - well shouldn't this be true for both sides? Why do tankers want AV to require Teamwork while wrecking havoc solo? Teamwork worked for tanks in 1.6 a Tank supported by Infantry was quite dangerous but I think its too much to ask for tankers to bring infantry with them, But wait now tankers say we should bring in tanks to stop tanks - This logic is amusing
7. Communication - see 6 apart from that sure

8. Traps see 6 - Why should I have to organise a trap when you can drive around in your tank uncontested - makes no sense

9. Forge you are right we have two (or three if you count the PLC as AV) AV weapons where only one is viable to counter Vehicles, so CCP should simply remove the swarms and refund the SP

10. regarding the nitro bug its the same with the invisible swarms and I don't expect any solution soon I know it's not the tankers fault but it is stupid, screwing balance and I expect this to last on for a while but maybe CCP will surprise me

Seen your work and your in for a treat when you do so . How can you call the post solid and you haven't even experienced what everyone is talking about ???? These are your OWN words .

I cant wait and see what your results will be and I will keep an eye out for that .

This is where CCP really f'd over those of us that have proto SLs.
1. Range--I wouldn't mind the reduction to damage if it wasn't coupled with the fact that SL range has been excessively reduced. Hopefully this is CCP's starting point for giving us variety in SLs that offer weaker swarms with longer ranges vs. more powerful swarms with reduced range. This leads to

2. Speed--even without the nitro bug, how difficult is it going to be for a tank to escape the 175 yard lock-on range of swarms now? You're looking at maybe two or three volleys that can be fired before you escape...but combined with the nerf to SL damage, 2 or 3 volleys shouldn't worry anyone, particularly when

3. Hardeners--an active hardener scoffs at anything infantry can throw at it, aside from a heavy-duty FG.

In essence, to utilize my SL I now have to run into the thick of battle (assuming that tanks aren't wandering around in the wilderness,) wait for the tank to let down it's hardeners and pray that the driver magically forgets where the gas pedal is as soon as the first volley hits; otherwise, I then have to either chase him down (please note the difference in speeds) or else learn how to dodge bullets while waiting for the tank to come back into range.

Honestly, CCP just needed to make small tweaks to SL damage and lower the cost of militia tanks (and fix the invisible swarms) and things would have been alright.

I just see another entitlement thread from a princess tanker who thinks he deserves to dominate because he's driving a tank.



Any tank could kill any infantry, lav, installation, or even another tank in seconds, but you want to try and convince us that someone who has equipped theirself for the specific cause of taking you down and then got the drop on you, shouldn't be allowed to do the same to you. I question your intelligence, but thank you for your post. It might help a noob or two.



If you have everything maxed out, then you may get up to 500k for a tank, but I doubt most people are spending that. last build my standard LAV+suit was over 400k, and if I ran with a proto turret, it was over 600k. So why do you think I shouldn't be able to solo a tank? You get to solo me and everyone else on the map?

how the hell did tankers adapt to anything? They still pranced around pointing and clicking on everything in sight and then ran to the red zone and red line sniped when someone was shooting at them. They need to take off their skirts and fight, otherwise they have no room to b****.

Tanks can still be solo'd, but it's mostly because there are so many stupid tankers out here now that don't know what they're doing. And then there are people like me who don't do anything but look for tanks to be at there weak point.

All this interesting and good advice on how to kill tanks. When will see unedited video footage of these tactics, will we see this interesting ad good advice in action?


I have yet to see it on the battlefield.

If you get the drop on a tank then its hardeners are off, thats how you get the drop on a tank, yes you can solo it but you have to think about it instead of pointlessly spamming your AV weapon at a tank with its hardeners on and while its looking at you

LAV+suit 400k? lol, my proto FG is 200k max but also my LAV is 50k maybe 100k if i fit it right and the missile on it is left as standard because my AV weapon is better than my turret

You can solo it, just got to think about how to do it like i said

6+months of proto AV getting consistant buffs, invisible missiles, crap rendering and tank nerfs yet we still did tank, i still did tank in PC matches even tho i was in a moving coffin waiting to die at any moment and that wasnt because of enemy tanks it was because of AV

Point and click, lolno and also we couldnt red line snipe, rendering was broken

all credibility lost in the first few words. congratulations. you are a prime example of a bad tank pilot, just another average tank driver that is biased and stuck in his tunnelvision dreamworld.

additionally your memory seems to be really bad, it were the tank drivers whining all around how their tanks are not able to solo entire squads like an average CoD kid math and vids of matches shown months ago that a tank can survive a single proto swarm for 20 seconds, some people in dust uni can but those allmighty self-appointed pros could not, the irony.

there were obvious problems, like roof forges due to map design, too fast scaling AV weaponry and core mechanics but none of them were really fixed, all the problems were now shifted to tanks itself. you do not need to have a magic crystal ball to see what will happen now, CCP will realise the mistake, swing the nerfhammer really hard and you will be begging to get 1.6 back.

final notes:
my tank is now cheaper than a full proto suit fit but is practically invincible to infantry and takes alot of effort to take down and I dont even use the bugged militia nitro, I am plenty fast without it. the only counter I have is other tanks. its like playing rock paper scissor with the difference that rocks only die to other rocks. I know what I will be picking only rocks now.

I have been reading the changes and thinking about how tanks work and how to counter them. I call his post solid, because it aligned with my understanding of the deeper mechanics, and gave me some insights that I will be happy to use against him if I should encounter him on the battlefield.

Due to scheduling I only managed to play 2 matches on Wednesday and 2 matches today since the patch. I blew up 3 tanks with my Swarm Launcher on Wednesday, but I think they were new tankers in Militia tanks. I had no tanks in my 2 matches this morning unfortunately. I need to see how the Proto Swarm Launcher stacks against a good tanker, then test the Advanced, to get a feel for the current state of the Swarm Launcher.

I need to get a feel for what the active modules look like when a tank is using them and how long they last. Then figure out reliable tactics for tricking Tankers into using their actives early, and then catching them with their pants down.

Now, if I canGÇÖt at least put the fear of God into a Tanker with his actives on cooldown, then I will come back and ask for a slight damage buff for the Swarm Launcher. A standard tank should not be able to ignore a Proto Swarm Launcher when its actives are on cooldown.

I am also going to be trying to put together 3 person AV squads and test some group tactics.

So you're saying that because you paid more than 500k LAST BUILD, you should be able to beat someone with a fitting that costs 500k after MASSIVE redesign. Your LAV and suit almost certainly cost less now than they did last build, go look up the ACTUAL value before trying to compare.

If you get the drop on a tank then its hardeners are off, thats how you get the drop on a tank, yes you can solo it but you have to think about it instead of pointlessly spamming your AV weapon at a tank with its hardeners on and while its looking at you

LAV+suit 400k? lol, my proto FG is 200k max but also my LAV is 50k maybe 100k if i fit it right and the missile on it is left as standard because my AV weapon is better than my turret

You can solo it, just got to think about how to do it like i said

6+months of proto AV getting consistant buffs, invisible missiles, crap rendering and tank nerfs yet we still did tank, i still did tank in PC matches even tho i was in a moving coffin waiting to die at any moment and that wasnt because of enemy tanks it was because of AV

Point and click, lolno and also we couldnt red line snipe, rendering was broken

Point and click, lolno

So what are your opinions on making vehicles require teamwork?

I'm surprised that so many tankers are happy that their profession has become so noob friendly. One of the only skills left is to not be completely terrible, and even that seems to be getting lenient

First of all anyone that was a worthwhile AVer even before 1.7 waited until active modules were down. Second tell me when AV got a buff in the last 6 months because I've been using AV since the E3 build and the only change the swarm launcher and the FG have ever received was what happened in 1.7? (And the nerf to swarms so they couldn't dumbfire anymore that happened back in closed beta but yea they haven't been buffed tanks just got nerfed in uprising) Third the crap rendering wasn't my fault it's CCPs. I didn't know when I was shooting invisible swarms. I do agree the swarms range needed a nerf but 175m is too much.

First of all anyone that was a worthwhile AVer even before 1.7 waited until active modules were down. Second tell me when AV got a buff in the last 6 months because I've been using AV since the E3 build and the only change the swarm launcher and the FG have ever received was what happened in 1.7? (And the nerf to swarms so they couldn't dumbfire anymore that happened back in closed beta but yea they haven't been buffed tanks just got nerfed in uprising) Third the crap rendering wasn't my fault it's CCPs. I didn't know when I was shooting invisible swarms. I do agree the swarms range needed a nerf but 175m is too much.

Wouldnt say noob friendly

Can still easily wreck noob tanks but they do have a chance to wreck me if i dont pay attention

Its just like using BPO infantry stuff to wreck proto suits

My BPO infantry suit isn't immune to all small arms fire and can't counter almost all threats on the field.

You might as well compare a Japanese giant hornet to a gnat.

You know something is wrong when your most effective way to kill a tank is a LAV packed with remotes...

While I think they went a little too far with the tweaks on both sides.. I like how tanks are a factor again. Its annoying to have to switch to AV to kill them :(

I didn't know about the bug that was causing the crazy speed I have seen in 1.7, so I am glad that will be fixed soonTM.

Once that crazy speed is gone balance will again be restored.

P.S. OP.. you come off like a douchebag lol. I know the shoe hasn't been on your foot for a long time, but now that you are OP do you really have to sit there and relish in it? Just be quiet and enjoy your godmode for now lol.

Clearly your humility needs a buff.

Seeing more QQ tank threads

This should help a bit more, if you can read that is

Not really

BPO infantry suit can deal with infantry stuff

Likewise a militia tank can deal with tank threats

If you want small arms fire to damage a tank then you are playing the wrong game

It seems yet again vehicle pilots have to tell infantry how to destroy a tank, or at least make it run away but the problem here is infantry not adapting and learning from there mistakes

1.6 Any AV weapon bar the plasma cannon could **** a fully fitted tank in seconds, for infantry thats fine and in PC where the real challenge is, it was a clusterfuck but the main problem in 1.6 days were the swarms and lack of rendering, the FG i could deal with a hell of a lot more

So 1.7 is out and OP is the word and 11 threads about tanks on the 1st page, mostly infantry crying about how the big bad tank touched them in a private place and procceded to wiggle its large turret in there and won the game on its own while going at 100mph

So lets go through the current issues that infantry are crying about and find solutions for you

1. Speed - Tanks are now faster

2. AV changes - A thrid less damage for FG/SL/AVnades and 50% range nerf for swarms, this means area denial is more important than in 1.6 since 1.6 your area denial area was the entire ******* map with the damage in just 1 clip to take out a tank before it could see the danger (lolrendering).

Them 2 points all tie into each other, less range for AV, more speed for the tank so AV has to hit quick and hard because they no longer cover the map


Now onto infantry problems who are generally too stupid to realise what they are doing wrong

1. Shiny tanks - If its shiny dont attack it, it has its hardners going that means that generally your AV weapon will not do enough damage to break the threshold and stop it from regen shield or cause enough damage at all and vehicle will be fine and you will be slighly annoying or the pilot will be laughing at you for being a tit

2. Swarms - Everyone has swarms due to how OP they were last build, now pilots can see the missles and also the user and with the range nerf we can speed away from you, also swarms deal explosive damage best for using against madrugars and not shield tanks unless they are not shiny

3. FG - Best at AV, hit hard, hit fast too and 300m range, even with hardners on they can pack and punch that hard it can stop shield regen and if no hardeners could pop it too, downside you need some slight aim since it is not fire and forget and you need the heavy suit which means less movement.

4. Plasma Cannon - Actually does have a use, its the shield version of the FG excpet it needs the reload skills to be maxed since it reloads so slow, great dumbfire weapon and hits with a punch stopping shield regen. Too bad its a skill based weapon

5. Militia tanks - They are actually useful and cheap, if your getting into tanks they are good enough to use and dont hit the wallet as hard, they can also take on other tanks quite well if you get the jump on them. Also can be used as a distraction or bait for a AV trap on the enemy

6. Installations - Get the drop on a tank and its gone before they know where it is, if any are left standing that is but it can be good and useful at the start of the match or even at the end if any are left about

7. Area of denial - Infantry want that kill but an AoD can be as good as a kill if not more useful, you put out a vehicle which may contain 1-3ppl in it and that vehicle retreats, but the vehicle pilot will try and try again to get to where he wants to go and from different routes too but if you keep denying the area then he will never get there and instead will have to recall and go on foot or try another vehicle - This means the pilot is wasting time and his team is down 1-3ppl for any length of time which gives you the advantage in a mode like domination

8. Traps - Set a trap, its not hard, quite a few methods you can use or just come up with some, combine AV, throw in a militia tank, use bait etc

9. Teamwork - If your trying to solo it with the wrong AV then generally you are an idiot, infact i will go so far as saying 99% of AV are idiots and consistantly try to solo vehicles. Anyone with a brain knows its easier to get a job done with a buddy

10. Communication - Cant talk cant organize, cant set a trap, cant design a trap, cant find out who has what AV, cant find out where the vehicle is, cant find out what the vehicle is, cant find out where its moving too, cant find out what stats it may have etc

So 10 points up there which should help you, its not hard to do, its common sense in my view


So the main problem being the bugged militia overdrive which is being patched, after that is patched milita and all other tanks become alot slower meaning AV will be better as a consequence provided you are not an idiot

All other problems is infantrys fault, not being smart enough is the main problem

Also pub matches dont count, pub matches are **** where matchmaking screws you over, if pub matches are bad group up at least

FW is better but you roll the dice with teams on that mode

PC is the true test for vehicles and AV, so far ive heard vehicles play a bigger part and are no longer cannon fodder

Be careful with the PLC buff. It already hits hard. The PLC works well when used correctly as an area denial weapon or as a close AV weapon. If I was a better shot I would ruin more dropships but I can barely hit them with the PLC. Much like the LR the PLC is difficult to use and a niche weapon.